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Maynmann:
All religionists claim them have experiences of their deity the same way you are doing 😂
I also don’t know your experience but you claim to have it without proof ❤️

Indeed. Cool thanks for correcting ❤️

Maynmann:
Their god has, thats why they are sharing their experiences.
Or you mean “until your own god, yahweh reveals himself to the individual”
Other non yahweh worshippers have their own experience with their own god. ❤️

All religions is Traditional

Oh now you know they have their own experiences without proof 😂

Maynmann:
It won’t stop others from sharing as they choose to, even though no one is believing each other ❤️

True. Until God reveals himself to the individual ❤️

Maynmann:
But if you expect others to believe your experience without believing others experiences thats hypocrisy.

I’ve said over and over again that I don’t expect anyone to believe mine. Even in the screenshot you’re sharing lol

That won’t stop me sharing as I chose though ❤️

Maynmann:
Just learn to listen to your own advice, how do you see it in own eyes before telling others ❤️

The screenshot is correct. I can’t prove anything. I can’t convince anyone. Everyone can chose to not believe me. Just hearing me is enough tbh.

I believe only God can show people. I do my part by sharing my experiences as a Christian should. If you believe that’s hypocritical that’s okay.

And thanks I’ll continue to take my own advice of course ❤️

Maynmann:
And my zeus reference was a reference to your yahweh reference.

If my sister told me she was attacked yesterday and i have no proof of it, yes i will “believe” but I don’t really “know”, if i was asked to testify in a court, they won’t take my “belief” as evidence.
Exactly, if someone told you zeus existed you won’t believe them because you know he existed, or do you have a particular god you know existed, like yahweh?
Do you believe allah exist? Brahman, or just a specific isrealite deity?

It’s a hypocritical world if you only believe the experience of those in your circle that already aligns with your conviction but expect people outside your circle to believe your own experience lol ❤️
You won’t even do what they did

That’s all fine. I’m happy to be a hypocrite in your eyes ❤️

Maynmann:
Earlier you said you don’t believe others only yours because it is firsthand.
Then you should listen to your own advice only share your experiences to those that don’t contradict your conviction.

You can only expect what you give out. Share to only those that don’t contradict your conviction, listen to your advice ❤️

Earlier I was referring to your Zeus reference. Of course I believe others experience. If my sister tells me she was attacked yesterday I’d believe her without any evidence. If someone told me God doesn’t exist I won’t believe them because I know he does.

In the same vein I understand that if I tell someone that God exists they might not believe me because their life experiences might tell them that the things written in the Bible are impossible.

Thankfully it’s a free world so we can all share our experiences and we don’t accept / reject as we chose ❤️

Maynmann:
That’s hypocritical, you should listen to your advice, you yourself said you don’t believe other experiences because it’s not first hand why then do you hope others will use your own experiences that did not experience firsthand.

That’s hypocrisy ❤️

Fair enough if you feel that way ❤️

Maynmann:
Kinda hypocritical too, if you only “believe” your own first hand experience, but you expect people to accept or reject your experience ❤️

I don't only believe mine. I believe others too. I won’t believe others that contradict my conviction though❤️

Secondly I don’t expect anything. I just share ❤️

Maynmann:
But you yourself won’t believe others experience because you did not experience it firsthand, is that not hypocritical then if you expect people to accept or reject your own experiences?

Exactly he can’t get mad if no one “believes” it, I’m sure he Will prefer them to “know”.
You won’t even believe your own experience if you did not have it firsthand, why should anyone be mad? ❤️

I keep saying I don’t expect anyone else to accept my own experience my friend. I’ve said many times in this thread that faith is individual and based upon each person’s personal experience.

I hope my experience will help others to find their own experience and conviction. I don’t expect them to believe mine and run with it lol ❤️

Maynmann:
No it was you that brought up your experiences has the only way to know that yahweh is the creator, I didn’t ask you about your experiences what am i gonna do with it? ❤️

Exactly just like you, you only “believe” your own experience firsthand. It’s fine lol, we can’t all feel the same thing the same way ❤️

Indeed ❤️

Maynmann:
When did he tell you that “he” is “God”? And that “he” wrote a book? When did “he” tell you that “he” gave birth to Jewish child?

When you asked this I took that to mean you were asking about my experiences. If I assumed wrong then I apologise ❤️

Maynmann:
It’s a good example, He is telling me his experiences not showing me his abilities.


Then just like the person claiming they can fly you should stop making claims about it lol, both of you can’t prove your experiences ❤️

It’s a free world thankfully. I can share my experiences as I please. And everyone can chose to reject them as they please ❤️

You’re right about flying. If Clark Kent refuses to show his powers to anyone then he can’t get mad if no one believes him when he says he can fly. I can’t prove my experiences so I don’t get mad when people call me stupid/crazy ❤️

Maynmann:
What am I going to do with your experiences that you can’t prove? 😂
Why don’t you “believe” everyone experiences?


Yeah, they are awesome, mostly gotten from the Egyptians ❤️

I haven’t asked you to do anything with my experiences lol. You asked me about them. I said when I’m ready to share on here I’ll cc you ❤️

I don’t believe other’s experiences because I rather believe what I’ve experienced first hand. No one has to believe mine either ❤️

Maynmann:
Lol, you don’t know your experience, you yourself just believe it lol.

If you are making claims of your experience it’s only right to prove it, it’s like someone saying they can fly and you ask them to prove it and they say they can’t, and that you should either accept it or reject it. You will also have to be prove that “yahweh can do that” ❤️

That’s not a good example because it’s an ability not an experience.

It’s right to prove it if you can. I’ve said many times I can’t lol. If I could I would (unless I had reason not to) ❤️

Maynmann:
When did he tell you that “he” is “God”? And that “he” wrote a book? When did “he” tell you that “he” gave birth to Jewish child?

Psalm 73:22
Then I was senseless and ignorant;
I was like a beast before You.

When I’m ready to share my personal experiences on here I’ll be sure to cc you

The psalms are awesome ❤️

Maynmann:
Then keep your unproven experience to yourself 😂

I’m sure you don’t “believe” everyone experiences, if you do you will be worshipping Gods in various forms.

You’re right I don’t believe everyone’s experiences. I believe mine.

It’s a free world so I will share my experiences to my friends and others as I chose. They don’t have to accept it. I won’t force them. I can’t prove anything. I can’t save anyone. Only God can do that ❤️

Maynmann:
Your characters won’t have to believe in you anymore, they will now Know. If there is a reason to it, it’s still on you.
The absence of knowledge creates beliefs.

Since you know that your god, yahweh decided differently, then you should know why, you can’t be cherry picking your ignorance so you can continue basking in your belief ❤️

Btw I added to my answer a little before you responded. Forgive me I wanted to be clearer.

I don’t have to know why. He hasn’t told me so how can I know lol

I’m happy to live in my ignorance for Christ though. It’s a free world thankfully ❤️

Maynmann:
You can only disprove what is a established fact, prove all your experiences ❤️

I can’t. I’ve said I can’t many times lol

Maynmann:
Is it not you that created the game and the characters?
Is it not you that also decided to “tell” one of your characters in the game that it’s you?
Is it not you that gave the characters intelligent, deciding how they approach and respond to Data?
If you want all characters to know that you created the world, you would have done it in the beginning when you were creating it but you didn’t, you could even do a system update to tell them.
Everything is on you, the characters don’t have only say.

Understand your example lol, can you imagine Al creating itself the same way the software engineer did ❤️

These are all valid points. Yes if I was the creator and those are my intentions then yes I could easily tell all the characters so all of them can believe. Unless there was a reason not to.

Looks like God decided different. Or maybe he has told everyone but some refuse to accept anyway. Just hypothesising because truly I don’t know why. But I don’t have to know why to believe ❤️

Maynmann:
And your conviction is gotten from Jewish books that was indoctrinated in you from birth lol.

If you were born in qurash tribe your convictions will be different, ask a muslim.

That’s fine. But you can’t prove that. You’d have to invent a machine to get inside my head and see all my experiences to that ❤️

Maynmann:
I’m asking questions base on that example too.

How did the intelligence in the game arrive that their is a software engineer?
Hasn’t he proven that a software engineer exists?
Al only knows what it’s inputted it, it has no free will, you should reimagine again.


“Zeus worshippers can’t scientifically prove God exists even if He reveals Himself to them and they know he exists. Zeus ultimately choses who he reveals himself to. It is Zeus that saves.”
We agree on that.

How did the intelligence within the game arrive to the conclusion that there is a software engineer? ❤️

What do you mean how lol

If I’m a software engineer and I create a game of very intelligent characters then decided to tell one character that I’m indeed the person that created their world and prove to them but showing them something that should not be possible then that character might believe me. They can’t prove it to other characters but they know.

Again it’s an example lol. I know AI of today has no free will. Imagine they do as an example ❤️

PS: I don’t mind that most smart people see all religions as equally stupid (with your Zeus example for instance). I fully understand where you’re coming from. If I didn’t have my conviction I’d be right there with you lol

Maynmann:
We can disprove the mythology of yahweh the same we can for zeus.
I’m also agreeing with you, we can’t disprove any god “scientifically”, your yahweh is existing alongside other gods each powerful the same way.

The characters in a game does not have free will, so if the character thinks he is “breaking the physics” of the game, it’s all part of the program set up by the software engineer.
Also how will proving the existence of the software engineer affect the characters in the game?
What is the impact of their “belief” to the software engineer?

The same way christians “believe”, other religionist also “believe”, no different.

How did the intelligence within the game prove that the software engineer exists? ❤️

It’s an example. Anyway we mostly agree. You keep asking me a question at the end that I’ve answered. The intelligence within the game can’t prove anything. In the example I gave above it can only know but it can’t prove. Try to imagine it’s a sophisticated AI game if that helps.

Christians can’t scientifically prove God exists even if He reveals Himself to them and they know he exists. God ultimately choses who he reveals himself to. It is God that saves.

LordReed:
That's not what I said at all. Reread what I wrote and try to understand it.

Lol maybe it’s the “most of the attributes given to this god do not conform to the reality of this world” that confused me. But you then say the opposite in the next sentence which I missed.

You’re going to have to explain which attributes the Christian God is said to have that can’t possibly be consistent with a God that created the universe please

Maynmann:
It’s not only christians that worship a god.
A Christian is like an apple laptop claiming his software engineer is yahweh
A Muslim is a dell laptop claiming his software engineer is allah.
A zeus worshipper is a Hp laptop claiming zeus and Olympian gods is the Creator.

So as other thousands of religions, one of the central theme among religions is faith and belief, knowledge is not required. They also have their own testimonies lol

How did the intelligence within the game prove that the software engineer exists? ❤️

We can’t scientifically prove it to everyone. That’s what I keep saying. I’m not even arguing with you, I’m agreeing with what you’re saying lol

But humour me for a second and imagine the software engineer decided to reveal himself to one player in the game. Maybe by someway that broke the physics of the game for an instance. How would that in game character go and prove the existence of the software engineer. They can’t unless the software engineer decided to reveal himself to another in game character.

Christians believe it is God that gives salvation. When he shows Himself to you it will be hard not to believe. But no human is going to prove once and for all that he believes with science and empirical data.

I personally don’t care that other religions have their own believes and testimonies. I’m not trying to hold on to God through that kind logic. I’ll happily admit that I’m stupid for Christ ❤️

Maynmann:
Disproving the isrealite god yahweh is easy as disproving zeus.

I didn’t imply anything.
I ask a question.

The intelligence within the game also doesn’t worship or believe in the software engineer.
Does the intelligence within the game also claim that the software engineer created everything?
Won’t that make the intelligence within the game stupid?
Imagine a Apple laptop claiming Tim cook is omnipotent.

zeus is a God that has been disproved, the Christian God, yahweh has too, even allah.

Or do you agree these Gods exist alongside your christian god?

And I answered your question. Yes it would make the intelligence within the game stupid. I accept that as a Christian others will consider me stupid. Happy now?

My faith is individual and based on my personal experiences which has given me conviction. I can’t logically prove it or explain it to most other people. I can only share my testimony which is anecdotal. I won’t argue if someone says that is stupid.

I can’t see the evidence that proves the Christian God does not exist though. Just like the intelligence within the game won’t be able to prove the software engineer does not exist ❤️

Workch:
okay, sho what are the evidence they have?
The time of Jesus doesn't even fall within the Era of antiquity.

This statement is clearly made in bad faith so forgive me if I chose to ignore it ❤️

Workch:
Scholars of antiquity don't have evidence for Jesus.

They do ❤️

Maynmann:
You are just regurgitating what they told you.

The intelligence within the game also doesn’t worship or believe in the software engineer.
Does the intelligence within the game also claim that the software engineer created everything?
Won’t that make the intelligence within the game stupid?
Imagine a Apple laptop claiming Tim cook is omnipotent.

What idea does the intelligence within the game has?
What idea do you have?

I have been responding to my specific claim that it would be very difficult to disprove the existence of a Christian God. Now you’re talking about something else so I’ll reply to that (even though if you read my other replies in this thread I’ve already addressed it):

You’re implying that people like me are stupid/crazy for believing in said God. I can understand why you’d say that. If you’re relying on just human logic then yes you’re correct. I believe faith is individual and only attained through personal experiences. No one can scientifically prove beyond doubt to everyone that God exists. But that doesn’t prove that he doesn’t exist either

So on that point we actually agree ❤️

Maynmann:
The software engineer sourced the materials of his games outside of himself, if your god created everything, where did he source the material from to create everything?

I have no idea. The fact that I don’t know that doesn’t disprove there is a God just like the created intelligence within the game has no idea where the software engineer sourced the material.

I don’t need to know any of that just yet ❤️

LordReed:
It is not hard all. The god that the Christians (the Abrahamic god) believe in does not exist because most of the attributes given to this god do not conform to the reality of this world. If a god exists, it does not have these attributes and thus cannot be the same god Christians or Muslims or Jews believe in.

Lol the God that created this world would not have to conform to the realities of the world he created just like a software engineer does not have to conform to the realities of a game he designed

BitterTruth01:
This is true but the influence of Christianity can’t be overlooked . It was the British missionaries who introduced western education. And western education is synonymous with advancement and the quest for enlightenment.

Take a look at all Islamic countries that do not have crude oil. The only reason why Saudi Arabia and UAE seem to be developed is that they just sell crude oil and and spend the money . Even with all the crude oil, they’re still greatly lacking in technical expertise . There is an astonishing number of foreign expatriates in those gulf countries who help them develop and maintain their infrastructure. In Qatar for instance , the number of expatriates is more than 5 times the number of Qatari citizens.
During the Saudi war against Yemen , the Saudis didn’t even bother to maintain their military equipment , they simply abandon it and buy more from the USA .
Islam is repressive and oppressive. It cannot co-exist with rational thinking and it subjugates the rights of women. Take away the oil from the Gulf and you’ll have Afghanistan, Yemen, Sudan etc.

The Muslim North of Nigeria is not different . It’s the Christianity in Nigeria that is responsible for whatever meagre advancements we have made as a society today . Take away the Christianity from the southwest and it would’ve pretty much been like the north.
Look at the reputable private universities in the southwest . They’re all owned by churches, because education , enlightenment and advancement is a core tenet of Christianity.

Tell me what has Islam done for Nigeria ?

Bitter truth by BitterTruth01

Name checks out

PS: To add to this point, Tinubu and Buhari are completely opposite in political ideology. PBAT is already leaning towards open market policies and technocrats unlike PMB with his non-progressive illiberal policies and appointing incompetent people based nepotism.

Political parties is a mirage in Nigeria and it’s a shame to see most of the southern population divided on here everyday when we generally want the same thing from our leaders.

Workch:
I don't take those philosophers very seriously. Antiquity thought earth is flat, they didn't even know about bacteria or cells 😂

There were no scientific research during the antiquity.
Classical Antiquity begins with the period of the writing of Homer's Illiad c. 800 BC to the decline of the Western Roman Empire c. 500 AD.

Even Aristotle thought earth is flat because they had no evidence

I’ve just realised you have assumed “scholars of antiquity” meant the “scholars who existed during antiquity” 😂. I guess I can only apologise for the confusion.

A “scholar of antiquity” refers to someone in the present time who studies antiquity (the ancient times). Similar to a “scholar of anthropology” for example.

I’ve assumed you were arguing in bad faith but maybe you’re just not aware of what I’m referencing. You can find various forums, subreddits, YouTube channels etc where the very best scholars of antiquity discuss their evidence for why they believe Jesus existed and on the other hand why they can’t say King Arthur existed at all ❤️. It’s mostly based on study of literature.

CC: mightysparrow, I caused the confusion so apologies to you too ❤️