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Why good ser? Fairly obscure topic, anyone would assume it hasn't reached our shores yet.
Do you think he has a case?

Double post

Stop raping science @ihe. Math doesn't lie

http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/03/quantum-interference-with-big-molecules-approaches-the-macroscopic/

www.nairaland.com/1029192/christianshow-endure-sermons/1

truthislight: do the chinese look to miracles?

Do they have loose moral code?

I dont think bill gate is a croller.

You dont seem to understand the effect of sex and blood on the brain as it relate to brain/mental activities/brain development especially when making research.

When next you are doing that sex thing and your wife and your child knocks on the door start talking to your child and see what happens to your erect manhood.

That it drops for using your brains is because their is the need for the blood that was pumping your manhood to move to the brain.

The quantum of blood in your body is just enough to power one of two things at a time, up or down.

So, when a young man dwell in a life style that makes his blood to be on the down side most of the time it is a disservice to the developing brain.

Dont 4get that practice makes perfect.

So, when he trains the down side the more it is at the detriment of the developing brain.

So, a young man with sound moral and operate at that level during his formative years will maximise his mental development and ability to take in knowledge and think. = well developed brain for creativity.

His blood will always be upstairs where he needs it the most while developing.

You seem just a little too concerned with these issues. Mayhaps you speak from experience? Projection much as well? Do you apologize to ever vigilant sky papa every time you're done? There's this muslim called devotedone I think, he begins every post with assalam alaikum, throws in a pbuh or two, etc etc.. I've wondered if before he starts masturbating he begins with a salaam.

Many people describe me as eccentric, most of the regulars on /religion would school me though

Random: The bolded line, when taken out of context, is pure gold

Heh heh. This guy?
www.nairaland.com/1070021/7-days-out-of-body-odyssey-convinces

Wordsmith: Ah yesm how could i forget the Blood franchise in the midst of violent animes? FMA too had its violent parts.

Yeah, also Jorgumand, similar to Black Lagoon and some other anime i saw three years back - Soul Of The Samurai or something like that. About some samurai that was cursed by some akuma to continue killing and never know death till he killed more than a thousand or something like that.

I wouldn't say blood is violent, especially the tv series, you think? FMA too I thought more disturbing than violent, no?

They look so happy...
Don't you guys feel bad? It's like laughing at a picture of starving kids...

benodic: @ Mr_Anony






souls on arriving in the material worlds took on material forms and started the process of physical evolution which ends with development of homo sapiens.
at the end of the physical evolution , spiritual evolution commences in which ultimately soul evolves to become fully God-realized being God-like and exhibiting all the qualities of God, omnipotence, omnipresent and omniscient. that is homo spiritualis, a fully evolved spiritual being.

Like evangelion?

Kay 17: That doesn't say much, neither does it answer the purpose for creation.

However, Supernatural counts more because it purports distinguishes God from his creation, by promoting an absurdity that an entity can act beyond its character, outside its identity.

We have a simple winner here...

Ihedinobi: What did you say the issue is again?

That first cause is probably made up of different ingredients, and all of them are less than perfect. There was only one football match, Chelski won, but there were 22 players, opposing managers etc involved in the match. Also, different goals scored at various points, spectators, etc etc. Sure only one championship team was decided at the end, but there were a lot of champions, staff, losers, goals etc involved.

Ihedinobi: What's the point of a question for which we can have no answer?

I think the problem here is you assume why means asking for a purpose, I don't. I'd say why is asking for a reason for the behavior, more like a 'how', it has nothing to do with a purpose per say. Ultimately, I do not think nature has purposes, at all (even us, especially if free will is an illusion).

Ihedinobi: What does it then mean with respect to the time question?

Hmmm, supposing you said time was subjected to it, God created time? Then there was no time before God? Think about that a bit, then what time was God created? Even with eternal thrown into the equations, it's hard to see how God created time, they must have existed simultaneously. Anyways, going back a bit

Ihedinobi: If God (read: first cause) exists, then it is eternal. If it is eternal, time is subordinate to it. If time is subordinate to it, then its activities cannot be described by the sequence of time. This means that it cannot be said to program its activities, then carry them out and then change its mind about the sequence etc. It must necessarily operate in an inscrutable manner.

Is exactly what I'm saying. It's a pre-programmed machine from inception. In fact, if it truly does not make any new thoughts, then it had to have been programmed by someone else. Think about it carefully. Programming its activities requires new thoughts, new information gathered, then new decision made and set. At some point, the regress must be stopped, and new comes into place. Once new is involved, bye bye omniscient. Then once it starts operations, it's bye bye free will.

Ihedinobi: What does it mean to be arbitrary?

I think I've already explained that. Lets go back a bit here as well. God created arbitrary? Before God there was no arbitrary? Then how did God come to be arbitrary. Imagine a computer program learning to be arbitrary....

Ihedinobi: Please excuse the question, but can you menstruate? Why? Or why not?

But that is precisely the point, again. I am not god, if I were I would have thought I would be able to menstruate if I so desired. If I cannot do that then I am certainly not omnipotent. Translate that to thoughts, free will, omniscience


Overall this has become a bit convulted, not so sure where I am anymore as well..

Taking your response here
https://www.nairaland.com/1070216/atheism-lie-everybody-believes-god/2#12532302

Ihedinobi: @wiegraf
1
capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2
: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3
: a person or thing of supreme value


7.
( lowercase ) any deified person or object.


3. any person or thing to which excessive attention is given: money was his god


3 (god) a greatly admired or influential person: he has little time for the fashion victims for whom he is a god
*
a thing accorded the supreme importance appropriate to a god: don’t make money your god

These are at most third of the definitions there, and you highlighted them because they had to do with objects. As the vast majority of the answers refer to some personal god, you can see why I say why it's misleading to use the term 'God' to describe some inanimate objects/events. Regardless, they all do not describe what I would assume first cause would be like. They all use either supreme, deify, absolute, perfect, supernatural etc etc. First cause from my view would not be described with any of these adjectives/properties. If you need specifics, highlight any description and I'll show you why.

One of your fellow xtians duped me, told me (well, insinuated) he prayed for my electricity, then they took light
I'm a little busy tonight, so I may not play as much as I'd like...

okeyxyz: Is it possible there's a person or people who knows the absolutely truth about right and wrong while the rest of the world "languishes" in ignorance? If so, then such person/people has got to be at-least the true servants of god.

And isn't the reason there's "no evidence" of god because we are simply measuring the wrong qualities and values of a god? are we not simply projecting our human values and expecting this god to conform to them? He fails to comply and therefore we conclude that he does not exist. I agree he does not exist in those values, not that he does not exist at all.

Absolute truth about what? There are always going to be subjective matters. For those obviously there's no such thing. 'Right' and 'wrong' already pose a problem.
Even for objective, there are so many contradictions, paradoxes and what not that I find it hard to believe that there will be some model of the universe that would be completely true, in all respects. Recently I was reminded of godels incompleteness theorem, I certainly don't get it, but it seems to say some things cannot be proven within any given model. You'd have to form a complementary model to prove those assertions, or something like that.
And of course your 'true servants of god' is a little ambiguous, as I don't get what you mean by god. But I think you imply basically whichever group is absolutely correct, yes? Sentient god or not? Then depending on the nature of your 'absolute' then you could be correct.

For your second paragraph, anthrophormizing god is one of the reasons a personal god seems a particularly ridiculous notion to many atheists, true. But also note that if 'god' cannot be understood, then there's no point trying to obviously. Most anti-theists do explore all sorts of notions, not just the personal ones, and tend to find many versions of god rather untenable. Keeping an open mind is not the problem here

Without a doubt, all religions are man made. Well, obviously I haven't gone through all religions, but you get the point.

As for a god, evidence to back up that proposition, philosophical even, is virtually non-existent. For instance, I don't think nature and life are 'too intelligent' like you suggest. Obviously that alone would take us down rather different paths. Very unlikely any sort of god exists, let alone a personal one. If one does show, I'll gladly reconsider my position based on evidence etc. That's not happening though

Reverting to religion? No. I do not have spiritual needs. In fact, I personally disdain most things related to spirituality, so it's unlikely I'll turn to religion for some sort of solace, etc...

manmustwac: @wiegraf
I did lock (this senseless) topic but then at the request of logicboy I reopened it.

Yeah actually, I do think it should remain open as well, sadly.... It demonstrates a few things...

vedaxcool: is it the same cave you rush to post in? In your ignorance, you would hardly know i actually was a regular here, so asking me out of a place that is meant for everyone shows the depths of your intolerance indeed.

You see me there regularly? I don't need to piss that many times a day brah, nor do I enjoy the stench...
I said you ventured out, 'again'...
It's your prerogative, true, stay if you like. But this thread is little more than an attempt to troll (I hope). There is absolutely nothing of value here, except maybe a demonstration of just how f****d up you are. I think that's why it's not been banned yet. Also, mod probably doesn't want to seem intolerant, and is showing you how grown ups behave. Supposing we substituted the words 'atheism' with islam and posted your op in all its glory in the islamic section, what would be the status of the thread now?

okeyxyz: .

Was that supposed to be some sort of insult?

@image, because of your incredible stoopid, I'll start slowly.
Atheism sadly sits with xtianity under the banner 'religion' in NL
I'm an (evil) atheist

You have to be religious for your mind to degrade to the levels you display here. Note though, there are many intelligent and admirable religious people, so I suppose when used wisely it does not get in the way. Some of these people would even tell you that their religious beliefs aid them greatly. There are other cases though, were an otherwise functional human being when not dealing with religion becomes so incredibly stoopid it beggars belief. Like you.
You have reasoned that because your book of fairytales, unfounded beliefs etc says people who do not belief in your particularly evil version of sky daddy* are evil, then it is so.
My point is that while your brain may do fine usually, when religion comes into play it damages your reasoning terribly. Surely this will eventually fully rot your brain


*one that's performed genocide, fraticide, Bleep-cide. A bigoted, intolerant, illogical cry-baby

okeyxyz: by the way, are you a female? (or hermaphrodite at least? )
You argue like a man(And i'd always assumed you were) but there's a feminine doggedness about you. You tend to demand clarity on any innuendos or suggestive word/phrase.

I could be, why?

Edit: we're waaaaayyyyy off topic now

okeyxyz: wiegraf:
You rarely have anything to offer other than a silly complaint over dotting letters and what not. A lot of the time unnecessarily, that is being a pedant. You also seem to have some comprehension problems. Does every.little.thing need to be spelled out to you? Do you require diagrams as well?

Okay.., Maybe you were being sarcastic but it turned out to be funny to me, So I laughed
And you are a "fanatic clown" because "funny" seems to come naturally with your writings.

I'm not sure if I should let you go... For now....

okeyxyz: LWKMD!! I said it before: you are a "fanatic clown"

But seriously, a mobile phone seems to be the only acceptable reason for him not to write properly. I did also say He obviously has no "grammar or whatever" issues(How did you miss that? don't tell me you have dyslexia now), all I want him to do is to complete his words, to stop "butchering" them, especially when on a forum with strangers. simple good manners. My point is I see something that is not proper and I point it out and that's the only way I can make a positive impact on the other person or at least make him think. If you are against this, then let's just agree to disagree. nothing wrong with that either.

*smh*
Brah, where do I say you claim he has grammar issues? How do you come to the conclusion that I have dyslexia? And there was nothing funny in that post, so how did I become a 'fanatic clown'....

Ah, @vedax, why have you ventured from your cave again. Could you please return to your pissfully attained abode. We try to keep only the civilized here. And again, the way you redefine the nadir never ceases to amaze me. More so than the brilliance of the divinely inspired koran. So much so I might begin to believe in a god if you offered your stoopidity/hypocrisy as proof of its existence. I hope you trolling and don't really believe the things you imply you believe in here.

I think this thread should be on the front page btw. Even if just for its surreal nature.

kanechimex: master,tanks for d link...i get ur point..inurmind,i waznt shoutin out loud...and wiegraf,y shud God do ur work 4 u?u dont blive in hiz xistence and coz u hear he z a good God u want him to help u?.that's d life of a lazy atheist...

How do you know I'm lazy?
What do I have to do to get him to do my work, I really need to catch up?

Image123: If you are godless, you are evil. you can't write words without alphabets. God is good, and anything outside God is not good.
Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
God is the Father and the Source of good. Any other good is a counterfeit. It is to you that this passage in scripture was written,
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

What in your god's blue earth kind of reasoning is this?
When atheists point out religion rots the mind, they think we're being dramatic. Un-f****g-believable

okeyxyz: Pedantry?? it's not surprising that I come-across to you like that, since you are too "liberal-minded" to "enforce" any useful habit. The guy I referred to obviously has no problem with grammer or whatever, rather he seems to be lacking in self-confidence that he adopts the writing manner of kids because he thinks it's "cool & hip". But you are too scared to rise & challenge him, you let it slide and the bad habit continues. So what do you do besides labeling people?("grammar nazi" is quite funny ) If that's the way he communicates with his friends, then it's non of my f##king business, but if he's writing to strangers on an open forum, then the least he could do is write properly.

Too scared to rise to him? Read through my posts then explain to me where you get this notion. I don't complain because I can get his meaning, easily. This isn't a fully formal setting in case you've missed that. Not to mention mobile devices and such. You rarely have anything to offer other than a silly complaint over dotting letters and what not. A lot of the time unnecessarily, that is being a pedant. You also seem to have some comprehension problems. Does every.little.thing need to be spelled out to you? Do you require diagrams as well?

okeyxyz: I couldn't care less what these "scientists", "geniuses" and "celebrities" claim to have. Why are they not content at being normal people with great ideas? but no! they don't want to be normal, they want to be regarded as "special" thus making silly claims: I have aspergers, I have autism, I have OCD, blah blah blah... I'm rather unimpressed that you fall for these claims so much that you use them as references. Of course some of these disabilities comes with special gifts, but when these "disabilities" become fads, then you know they'd lost their true values.

Compression problems again? What does this have to do with anything? Btw, you seem to imply I think it's cool to be an aspie, where do I do that?
When a person has been tested and verified to have aspers, I believe it would be silly to say otherwise, no?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_autism_spectrum_disorders

Note how many of these are in academia or computing. For those that cannot be tested but fit the bill, newton, cavendish etc, when experts recognize patterns in their behavior as aspie-like, you think their claims are irrelevant?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_speculated_to_have_been_autistic

I'm saying get your head checked as there's a good chance you might be one. And there's nothing wrong with being one

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davidylan: hahahahaha the irony. This coming from the bunch of incredulous monkeys who spend all day of every month of the entire year telling us how dumb we are for believing in a sky pixie? the nerve! He calls me a snob!

You have to give it up to these guys, their warped sense of victimhood and the level of cognitive dissonance is just amazing.
Your entire existence here is to postulate that christians are nothing but bigoted fools with a low IQ then you turn around to call me a snob? Bro man... i have to hand it to you.

Back to responding to your post. Yes i understand that the vast majority of folks work in small businesses... i've got family that work in some and others who even own them. I certainly dont look down on them. HOWEVER, i reserve a special sense of curiosity for folks like you who bluster so much about your IQ only to find out that you're not worth much in real life afterall.

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davidylan: Meaningless question. I actually provided experiential evidence. You provided a link that had no relevance to nigeria... and you turn around to ask me for proof? What a complete joke of an individual. Do you work in a circus by the way?

This is why I think discussing anything, like say even the weather, borders on impossible with you, good ser davidylan. You provided 'experiential evidence', so did I, before you did even. So I provide an alternative, and there are many, many more such studies, which provide a more objective option to help in settling our claims. You ask me if I'm a clown..

You might be mistaken, perhaps you happen to be a lab rat. Maybe they just tell you you've got a phd to keep you happy. Think about it. The consensus seems to be that you were saner when on medication. Did you notice any disappointment from your colleagues? I am guessing you were no good to them during the period, and so they did their best to get you off the medication so they could continue to study whatever condition afflicts you. I suggest you do not take any medication given to you at 'work' then study the results.

Now, what's your 'proof'?

davidylan: your "proof" was the meaningless link above? What a perfect waste of my time.

And your 'proof' is?

davidylan: Hmmm please rephrase. the above is quite a senseless play on words. I couldnt make head or tail of this.

Like i said... i did work as a lecturer in FUT yola (k suppose the name has changed now) for a year with no probs. Your point?

That there is marked intolerance in nigerian workplaces. Your anecdotes are cool, so are mine. Mayhaps we should take a vote or do some study, or look up a few
www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=922726

Logicboy03: I dont support drones.


However, if anyone pisses off America, they should not be surprised.

It's odd that I actually do. Some very serious moral issues there. I suppose I just think it lesser evil... But it's still very hypocritical to support them

davidylan: Do you go around wearing your atheism on your forehead? Or is your problem similar to one i come across a little too often... arrogant atheists who make it a point of duty to remind everyone else of their areligious status and how that automatically makes them more intelligent than everyone else?

Are you trying to get by with life, live average folk with no special social status? If you're one these then you'd have to be suicidal (or in some other special condition) before you dare attempt this.
Is it me or are you redirecting the issue?

lagerwhenindoubt: i think we should organize an atheist convention in the South-South.. Religious folks here will simply go into a 40-day prayer and fasting session binding and casting all and sundry.. but our atheist brothers in the north (right in the thick of islam) will have a problem there. perhaps they can follow-up on the news.

What say you all?

My mother eventually trapped me and had me take her to her lga. Nice cinema, some good indian films and champions league action, great suya incidentally, black market booze etc etc. Ok it was boring as f**k, I have no idea why she loves going there every chance she gets, though I find the notion cute. So, there's the local gay population, and a sizable christian population. This year the rains were not forthcoming, so the local imam says god is angry with the sinners, gheys, booze sellers and xtians. You know the rest of the story. What I found weird was the relative nonchalance, I ask my mom (an xtian btw), and she's like meh. I return to the big city, I tell anyone who would listen, they'd be like 'no, didn't hear anything. Who's manyoo playing this weekend'.

There's also the rehabilitation centre were grown a$$ working adults were sent to against their will, where spiritual problems were healed. 'Spiritual' problems of course meaning just about anything, so long as good naira is involved. Healing methods involved daily floggings and chaining you, covering you in a blanket, burning some of those slabs with their nonsense scribbles on them, and putting the now smoking debacle under the blanket with you, choke and enjoy. Apparently some government agency eventually closed it down though...

davidylan: wiegraf, what i do will most likely never affect you. Dont sweat it.

I think evil brain does live in nigeria but it still doesnt invalidate my point. I have plenty of family members working for companies in nigeria and none has ever been confronted with the religion issue. Again you run into that mostly when you're poking around "companies" with sole owner.

Are your relatives atheists? I come across intolerance, all the time. You can keep your head low and just do your job often, but the stigma doesn't go away, from all types of people.
You best a loner, or put more weight to values other than pleasing everyone. You're an atheist? You automatically are all that's wrong with the world, the agent causing their troubles. God will deal with you anyways so they might as well get in his good books now and dole out some quality discrimination to score some points, etc, etc. Triablism. Even christians working in a place with predominantly muslims and vice versa run into issues, let alone almost non-existant atheists. The amount of drama even educated people cook up...
It's hard to accept you know atheists who don't run into issues in Nigerian workplaces, of all sorts