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truthislight: anything for procreation.
Thats a natural thing.

What's your point?

firestar: [size=16pt]That spiral-faced persona I suspect is what made Obito tobi. Heck call swirl face tobi...he's playful somewhat if the Diedara-tobi duo is referenced. Isn't he the one that posed to Obito a silly question what it was like to doodoo? _{...seriously?}[/size]

Yeah, after sasori's death there was no reason to fool around with only zetsu around, yet he was clearly goofing off dropping the ring, etc. That's more swirl face in control of the body, not obito.

Swirly face seems to be a little too comfortable in battles, almost like he relishes them. Does he have some of madara's will, or is it just black zetsu? He might be a good boy, but I suspect there's some extreme ruthlessness behind the goofing about. Madara probably put more of his faith in swirly face than obito, or at least relied on swirly face to subtly make sure the plan was achieved, that obito didn't back out.

In essence I think both obito and swirly face are still alive, but their bodies have now become inseperable. Heck, I think it was mostly swirly faced against minato, as he may be more experienced than obito (if he has madara's memories)
. Look at his weapons of choice for instance

It was a glorious chapter heh
Questions still abound... Who faced the fourth (wrong hand came off)? Obito grew out his hair before the uchiha massacre (can we now assume was done with the aid of zetsus)? If he got the rineegan late when did he learn rinegan specific jutsu (though I can't recall if he's used rinegan only jutsu). What had he been doing all that time? And most importantly to me, where's spiral face now ? Also, I suspect spiral face is rather...special (and a cold-hearted bastard), asides from being a good boy. It probably was spiral face that was fooling around with the ring after sasori died. To explain this and the wrong hand coming off against the 4th, I'm guessing obito/swirl face have attained full symbiosis.... Tobi. Also helps explain why madara was seemingly talking to obito's hand

How can one award you the internets @plaet?
I think they are all made up stories, but omnixx.x monotheism clearly makes no sense, at all. And there were clearly gods other than yahweh, like you say there was rationalization, probably some priests trying to save their necks.

I will concede fiery chariots seen across civilizations, and a few other myths like dragons shared across as well may point at other things, but I very highly doubt those claims. I would have to look into it though...

Just for giggles

"The flatworms "fence" using two-headed dagger-like joysticks which are pointed, and white in color. The mating ritual involves a violent battle during which two hermaphroditic flatworms attempt to pierce the skin of one another with one of their joysticks. The "winner" is the organism that inseminates the other; the winner becomes the father. The sperm is absorbed through pores in the skin, causing fertilization in the "loser," who becomes the mother.[2][3][4]

Child-bearing, while necessary for successful offspring production, requires a considerable parental investment in time and energy, and according to Bateman's principle, almost always burdens the "mother". Thus, from a biological point of view, it is preferable to be the father rather than the mother. However, there are other hermaphroditic species where both partners try to be inseminated rather than to inseminate."

Look at them go!! ON GUARD!!

Kay 17: @Sagamite

Society itself will fall apart, because Nature doesn't accommodate it. Also inputing Nature's cruelty into morality will defeat it.

He should be fine crafting a code using nature as a model. For instance he could use bonobos, closely related to us as great apes, who indulge in pipi fencing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#Bonobo_and_other_apes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Social_sexual_behavior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_fencing

He could also figure out a way to adopt natures nefarious bits into the code

Edit: links

Sagamite: Answer the question with the junk at the tips of your lips/brain and you will be hanging like dead meat.

Never come here and regurtitate the moronic platitudes you are brainwashed with and then expect me not to bash you with critical analysis.

Why are you gloating?

You'll excuse me if I don't reply that, I have a more important question which you should be able to digest easily; do you have a small pipi? A lot of the time ppl with small pipis are rather frustrated, they then become anon tough guys on the internet to help make themselves feel better. That's why I ask. Thank you

Also your position seems to be it's not natural, you do know other animals engage in homosexual activity, yes? Also, pls do tell why 'nature' should dictate moral codes?

Are you in support of persecuting gheys?

Sagamite: You are a person!

I am merely goading you to vomit the moronic platitudes that you have been fed by the West and that is hanging at the tips of your lips, which you think is intellectual, so I can slaughter.

Please fall for the trap and answer my questions. Let me gut, cut and dice you before I suya you.

Again:

What is still an issue in Naija tha you feel shouldn't be an issue in 2012?

What year should it have stopped being an issue?

Pucci, answer.

Just skip to the part where you skewer me

Witch hunting, jungle justice. You don't want to be as guilty as the scum in Aluu were now do you? Please be careful, these are very serious allegations...

Sagamite: What is still an issue in Naija tha you feel shouldn't be an issue in 2012?

What year should it have stopped being an issue?

Don't ask stoopid rhetorical questions you know the answers to, it's annoying. And from the blue, I know, but 2-3 whole pages of writing fu.cktard... Is that the new word of they taught you at class today?

I have to say, 8 pages of this... That this is still an issue in 2012... I suppose for 9ja it will still be an issue in 2112. Putting 'gay' in the title of anything would lead to this... Like 'kids had a merry and gay day at the park today!!!'.... Poster gets stoned to death

Well done @vedax you genius, take a bow

ghazzal: have you seen a muslim who said he knows how evolution works? i dont think so....... evollution to me is still an hypothesis, and more assumptions will still be made. it means if there is reason to believe something better tomorrow, some assumptions will be replaced....... it is just the folly man puts himself in.

i really im off this tread since the reason if different.

@OP, sorry for interfering.

You may have noticed that I point out tbaba seems to think he knows better than the west's scientific community. Is he not a true muslim? And evolution is a THEORY despite your personal opinions, officially fully accepted by western science and courts as well. I may not have the time to get into secifics now, but again, you proclaim that evolution not a theory? It is a scientific fact that can be looked up in english from all sorts of media, even via a simple google. You do this clearly from ignorance, then you accuse me of teaching from ignorance?

Most theories eventually get replaced with newer, more accurate ones. That does not mean the older thoeries are completely wrong mind you, just that they aren't completely accurate. The issue with religion is clearly arguing from ignorance and then declaring it fact, drawing conclusion before you even do the science. That is pure, unadulterated folly as far as science is concerned, in no way part of the scientific method.

Logicboy03: Separation of church and state is not = Killing of church members by state


Separation of state = secularism


Secular states = Sweden, Norway etc. some of the most advanced and peaceful countries known to man.





#vedaxcool schooled

And I might add, personality cults are religions. Very dangerous ones sef...

frosbel: Anyone who says there is no GOD despite the evidence is a big FOOL !!!

Let's not mince words here .

Anyone who says there's evidence for a personal god in particular, while actually having non, is delusional. Imagine if said person would later proudly proclaim his FAITH, that would make him a mo.ron as well.

Also anyone who would be that irrational and hate a of group people without any logical basis would be a bigot, let's not mince words.

vedaxcool: Truly I rarely bothered with what anybody on NL thinks of me, the case remains that being an atheist would make an inidividual any better than being a theist when it comes to applying the law and maintaining order!

Maybe. So?
Seems you completely miss the point of separating church and state.

aletheia: All Atheists are Evil. That is the fact. They are evil fools.

Great opinion here. Reminds me of a great, big, gaping a$$hole. Interesting, so you are the arbiter of the definition of evil, and fool? God is the only mental construct? You don't believe in god means you don't believe in good and evil? We don't believe in peace, love etc as well I suppose. Your cancer seems to have reached the point where it's now incurable. Frankly, if you spread this view, you're a menace to society... Bigot

ghazzal: its not meant to be an insult. im sorry if it looks that way but its JUST an HONEST opinion.

Ok. Apologies if I was insulting as well, but you seemed to be indicating I had dishonest intentions, not always a good thing depending on your aim. It would be better to assume a honest mistake rather than throw accusations, as the reply you get would be measured accordingly.

"....Young muslim kids when they come to the west face issues in trying to reconcile evolution with Islam because they know very little about Islam or the Quran and they start finding out about this alternate explanation. Many of them end up messed-up.."

He is saying that the version of evolution taught in the west is false, hence an alternative version, something else, should be taught. I need not need explain how an alternative version of evolution is in no way the real thing.
If you follow that thread his version agrees with evolution but conveniently excludes homo sapiens from it. Again, that is in no way evolution.

And also note that western (US) courts have indeed confirmed evolution as science, and mandate(not sure if mandate, but certainly encourage/accept) it be taught in schools. In essence western thought fully agrees with evolution as science. It does no such thing with intelligent design.
So he thinks western science is flawed, islamic culture is superior, yet has no qualms with muslim children in western society's schools. I think he live in the US too, so he has no problems with living in the inferior west as well.

Why don't xtians just get rid of OT, claim it was a mistake or something. They could also revise some NT and claim translation or something. Catholic church does that, eg evolution. That would please a lot of people, no?

Not troll

That was one of the best ops I've ever read, and you probably missed some. Might be you were too, ehm, to notice...

Hope you don't take them seriously, I apologize if I was out of line

ghazzal: dont try to educate in ignorance, it is simply a high level of wickedness.


...... just passing (wink)

And demonstrating you're a re.tard. What did you just accomplish?


Edit: I missed the astounding levels of hypocrisy in your post actually, considering how muslims seem to know how evolution works(or does not), and all the other fascinating 'science' and 'truths' you claim to know....

^^
Sit out of arguments you do not understand

Rossikk: Who said anything about indicating a god? Many NDErs have had experiences with apparently divine beings they describe with various titles depending on their religious/philosophical background.

Don't misunderstand, you're very welcome to believing in whatever you wish to so long as you don't infringe on the rights of other (I mean wth am I, do I own you? Lol)

The phenomena you describe do not point to your conclusions of all of us being connected, that's just your subjective interpretion. Just like how xtians interpret it as going to heaven or whatever.

Rossikk: The brain is NEITHER functioning nor malfunctioning when a person is certified clinically dead and experiencing an NDE.. It is for all intents and purposes, dead. All blood has stopped flowing to the vital organs. Only in recent years was the term 'clinical death', created, as a result of new medical advances that made possible resuscitation of a person whose entire organs had stopped functioning. Prior to such late 20th century advances, such persons were simply classified as dead.

The science is still shaky as well
http://m.samharris.org/blog/item/this-must-be-heaven
It will all be explained scientifically eventually. Assuming a pantheist god is a leap of faith, even philosophical arguments you do no have.

Rossikk: Playing devil's advocate then I suppose??

I will pray for your soul for assuming such folly

tbaba1234: Please where did i make this statement?? The least you can do is read properly... Where did i suggest that muslim children should not learn evolution?

Heh heh with the read thing, you never tire of that? You may or may not notice I read most of what I can that is relevant. See the comment from andromida and try and comprehend just how illogical your demands people go over your subjective posts, about matters arbitrarily translated seemingly by every muslim, are. Literature, a subjective pursuit by its very nature, and you expect people to receive it objectively?

www.nairaland.com/1068269/islamic-civilisation-islamic-law-reforming

And I cannot link properly, but I refer you to your comments at 11:25, and I quote

tbaba1234: We are an intellectual civilisation, We have to show the young ones why we have a superior argument... You prepare them for what they might face in the future....

Young muslim kids when they come to the west face issues in trying to reconcile evolution with Islam because they know very little about Islam or the Quran and they start finding out about this alternate explanation. Many of them end up messed-up..

This is why they should be given a proper Quranic education showing the literary excellence and unparalleled brilliance of the Quran and a class on evolution to understand the theory and take away what is useful from it..

Not only do they become better muslims but they can give dawah to evolutionists...

Note the bolded in particular. Or is english as ambiguous as ancient arabic?

tbaba1234: I have never accused anyone of not been a true muslim... That is not my place... Your analogy is misplaced. We have classical explanations of the word and it simply does not fit. That is the basis of my conviction.

What analogy? So the fanatics and their interpretions are muslims? That's nice to know. Like those who translate anyone practicing his freedom (again, freedoms you seem to enjoy) to choose his religion as kaffir, to be stoned to death, or whatever grisly punishment sharia mandates. The suicide bombers, woman subjugators are all normal muslims? That's nice to know. All these guys fumbling over interpretions like you do

http://m.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5?cat=books&type=article

One of them even states that in heaven, erections never wane, ultimate pleasure gained that way. Those are his 'personal convictions' by the way.

tbaba1234: I try to present my ideas in the clearest form possible, I do not expect everyone to agree with me.

You might not expect everyone to agree with you, but you clearly believe your ideas are 'truth' and law. Espousing sharia, which vastly limits the freedoms of humanity in any translation, as law. Agree or not with you, you would enforce your law on others if you could, with all its revolting abuse of human rights.

Mr_Anony: Wow.....unfortunately, you have made a non-argument again. God made all things, as a result, He knows all things. The argument along the line of God creating knowing all things is to put it mildly: unintelligible nonsense.


Lol. This is by far the silliest comment you have made on this thread. It doesn't deserve a response.


Lol, predictions of what? behaviour of what? What is it predicting and explaining other than actual entities. You have not yet been able to show the use of math independent of actual entities.......and I am quite sure you won't be able to.

Frankly, I have grown tired of dancing around in circles with you. You have not yet made a sensible statement so far and I think I have been patient enough but now I have run out of patience. You can have the last word on this if you like. I will respond no more.

*facepalm.jpg*

Please don't, your responses are getting more and more embarrassing.

God created everything (because you say so), so he created 1, which translates to 'being', since it is not null. So he created being before he came into being...

Pathetic nonsense you tell yourself just so you could hold onto the belief that you have a sky-daddy looking after you. I tried being xtian for a few hours, it was tough, so I can understand if you want to run and hide...

Edit: seriously, the very notion that god exists before/without numbers... How stoopid?

tbaba1234: My personal conviction...

Wonderful objective view you have here.
Every single core idea you espouse seems to be subjective, and you expect others to respect that. The arrogance is ridiculous, while being hypocritical no less. You seem to enjoy the freedoms of the west without any cognitive dissonance, even suggesting 'muslim children' would be corrupted by learning evolution in western schools. Wth are they doing in inferior western schools then? What are you doing in the west? I envy your ability to LALALA. The blindness phenomenal. And you conveniently ignore the fact that your bros also have their own 'personal convictions'... I see, they are not 'true muslims'... Your personal convictions of course...

Mr_Anony: Lol, interesting how you agree that all knowledge already exists but for God who possesses all knowledge, you argue over how He came to be. You are still yet to make sense my friend.

Another mistake you are making is saying that abstractions exist objectively without describing anything. This is false. Your example: 6+6 also does not exist objectively until it is applied to actual things. Mathematical laws are worthless without applying them to actual things. Mathematics on it's own is useless unless it is defined by actual entities.

Again you claim that even if nothing existed, the laws of mathematics will still hold. May I ask how so?

Heh, now you're just dancing.

Numbers exist by default, I see no evidence to support some being anywhere that knows the maybe infinite permutations and just which to apply to our reality. In fact it's downright risible and silly to propose such a notion. Also, are you accepting that 'god' didn't create any knowledge?

Nothing = null
There you go, it has been abstracted. Null has it's properties. In these parts a famous argument for the existence of a first cause is nothing + nothing != something. That looks like math to me, holds even in nothing.

Math exists with or without a physical reality, and it's certainly not useless. It's an abstraction, does not need the physical to exist, at all. Like I've already said, it's uses include predictions, explaining behavior, etc. The ultimate building tool of abstract concepts, perhaps the only 'ultimate' in existence.

Mr_Anony: Lol, ok first of all you missed what I meant when I asked you to define your numbers but that's by the way.
Secondly, your definition is inadequate because it assumes that I already know what numbers is. I'll also leave that aside
Thirdly, you use a lot of figurative speech in your definition that it becomes hard to take it seriously. I'll overlook that as well.

The gist of your definition from what I can tell is that numbers may be used to represent anything and nothing. This should immediately tell you that numbers are not an actual thing but are descriptors. Hence it makes no sense to talk about exacting an action upon a descriptor without specifying what is being described.

Compare: "Can you build 12 cars?" vs "Can you build 12"
"I saw a big cat" vs "I saw a big"

In the examples above, you can see (I hope you can) that the second sentences do not make any sense once the object that defines them has been removed. "12" and "big" when left undefined results in a senseless statement.

All your long story of 'leave that aside'.... I'll let it go... Just for now...

'Can you make 12?' makes sense, abstractly. 6 + 6 = 12. When you want to apply these abstractions to the physical world then of course you have to specify 12 what. Doesn't mean this abstractions do not exist, as like I've said even in true nothing these abstractions exist. Also these abstractions dictate laws that MUST be followed. No god, man etc can break them, nothing can.

Moving on a bit (you can query the above as you see fit), with these abstractions, which exist throughout time/existence, their implications and permutations exist through all time as well. 1+1, squares, complex numbers, fractals and frameworks, all exist abstractly . Via 'what if' scenarios if you will, but they exist by default, and they all follow mathematical laws. The fact that numbers and their laws are discovered independently by every society demonstrate this to a degree. Now, all knowledge can be translated to mathematics, since we already know that ALL these formulas and what not already exist by default, when you translate some physical process you're not creating some new math, rather you're discovering some hitherto undiscovered math, it always existed. By extension, ALL KNOWLEDGE ALREADY EXISTS, it's just waiting to be discovered. Take einstein's famous imaginative thought experiments, grounded in logic and translated to math, as proof that all knowledge exists mathematically. (He was then able to use math and it's laws to more accurately describe reality, and even predict remarkably unintuitive phenomena, as the math laws said it must be so.) You just have to find the right 'what if' that accurately translates to the universe. And all the valid 'what if's' must respect the laws of math.

If I ask 'if being didn't exist before God existed, how did God come to be?', it's a very valid question. At the very least the concept of being has to exist abstractly, and it does via numbers, every number other than 0 being something, or 'being'. The concept of anything has to exist abstractly before (or simultaneously, if that makes you happy) it can be represented in the physical world, and they all do via numbers.

I'm sure all this can be explained in other ways, but this will suffice for now.

Quantum mechanics, I'm looking at you...


Edited

Wordsmith: i meant, the movie.


Also Blood C was pretty bloody, and got gory and more violent towards the end. Also, Dragonage's ani,ated movie was pretty violent with a lot of sword play

I've never been able to see the dragonage thing to the end, but it's not anime. What's blood c?

Rossikk: Sorry, but the accounts of thousands of ordinary modern humans, many of whom have suffered severe trauma, been certified dead, and then resuscitated to recount their experiences, are a darn sight more sound, solid, and reliable than vague, outlandish claims made in some book by a few semi-literate cattle herders 3000 years ago.



You flatter yourself and your religion in assuming one needs ''philosophical arguments'' to call you out. Your religion is completely anti-philosophy, often ordering death for 'unbelievers', yet you have the nerve to demand ''philosophical arguments'' from others. The easiest argument against christianity is essentially a moral one. You cannot claim to be a loving God while displaying a character that exhibits the exact opposite. You cannot claim to love humans, and then simultaneously declare you have eternally burning torture chambers that would make even Hitler recoil in horror.

SoooOooo you have no evidence. The fact that there are so many accounts indicates some phenomena, doesn't indicate a god though. Just the brain malfunctioning (or functioning correctly, never know, maybe beneficial) in some way. Not too far removed from xtianity

Btw, what sort of xtian would have a sig like mine? It's kind of sad the terrible arguments we gave you earlier were enough to convince you we were xtian. It demonstrates just how vacuous some of their claims are I suppose

Rossikk: Unlike you, some of us are actually quite busy, and don't spend all day hallucinating on mythical flying Jewish angels, saviours and virgins.

I don't do that either, I waste my time via other means. Unfalsifiable tales do not count as evidence, you're taking almost as large a leap of faith as the xtian's. You have just as much evidence, non. Do you have say even philosophical arguments to back up your beliefs?

As for morality, at least you don't have the ignominy that is yahweh to contend with that's a heavy burden lifted. Then again, many of the saner xtians more or else deny yahweh and focus on NT god, which is at the very least a huge improvement (well, almost anything with just a little good would be a vast improvement over yahweh)

Mr_Anony: Lol, No comments........I refuse to be a part of this.

Dohohohoho
You have to admit, some of it was rather good
How about the numbers thing, had time to give it any thought?

muskeeto2: Rossikk, where u run go sef?

I tire sef. What sort of pantheist cannot defend his positions. And you were not done with him. I ran out but you were still doing brilliantly. You'd make an awesome xtian...grain or chaff ... Dohohohohoohoho... I have mild asthma, I nearly chocked....
His ability to back up his beliefs seems weak, agnostic brethren. If he returns, I'll show the one true kung-fu, the one to banish them all..
Do you know any pantheist regulars here?

One would have thought he'd at least read my sig...