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musKeeto: Lol, there was another lad on here sometime back, his username escapes my memory now. He shared some similar experience, yeah, I remember another one avicenna or something...

I never thought I'd be grateful for growing up in a Christian family. Truth be told, christianity grew up quite quickly... Old testament in Nigeria... Hmmm...

Thank God for Jesus...

Logicboy03: I swear, i never knew you were a muslim before! You seemed more like an ex-christian!


We learn eveyrday

obadiah777: WIEGRAF I WOULDNT PUT YOU DOWN FOR SOMEONE FROM A MUSLIM HOUSEHOLD. I WOULD PUT YOU DOWN FOR SOMEONE FROM A FREE-THINKING HOUSEHOLD. ABSTRACT.

Ishilove: Put a sock on it and stowe it.

BTW, sarcasm is lost on me. Nota bene.

fellis: Wow.
This just happened to show up on my followers list and it captured my attention.
I had wanted to ask you what led to your convertion before the YM correspondence thing died.






You were never a Muslim.........just a follower of rules.......

Ishilove: Good heavens...so much d**ks in this narration. I can barely make head or tail out of this 'testimony'. Seems like you were mumbling aloud to yourself as you typed. Or like you were high on something.

Not hating, bro. Jus making an observation.

musKeeto: @weigraf:

I still wonder why it's difficult for most theists to understand that one cane be 'good/altruistic' for the sake of being good. I was always sort of that person, and when I became Christian, that disdn't change much. I put my tithes to much better use, and also ran some computer classes for the 'youth' group members for a while from my own pocket....

I read mazaje's spag theory recently and I tend to concur with it.

frosbel: waiting for yours, I dare you

maclatunji: *Rolls eyes* Islam is a practical religion. It does not present rules that are not in line with human nature. The man is the head of the home, for a man to get to the level of tapping his wife, she will know she has crossed the line if the love is there. If your sweetheart feels frustrated enough to want to tap you knowing that Islam forbids him from actually hitting you as he might without it, then a sensible woman would know to review the situation and mend her ways.

The government has the police and army which have effective force and instruments of violence, going by your logic they are evil- right?

You would have a point if you said you have never been violent before. No one can claim that and that is a fact!

What Islam does is to contain that violence and set the limits through which you can express it. You are trying to be cute, but life and reality does not work like that. There is pain, disappointment, anger and misery in this world- if your religion does not teach you how to effectively manage this, then it is not complete. Islam addresses everything.

Heheheee... some of these guys are like children knowing little about how the world truly works.

musKeeto: PRE-CONVERSION

Catholic Dad deeply influenced by Igbo tradition. Pentecostal Mom who wasn't quite so religious. Morning devotions. Ended up at a Christian secondary school in my teens.

Fasting. Prayer. Madness. Hypocrisy. I was young but was quite sure there was something wrong with the Christians I met. The Student Christian Mission leader was a classmate and if there ever was a sinner, he was one. Yet, the chaplain had apparently seen Jesus in a vision who asked him to 'anoint' him leader of the fellowship. If the blood of Jesus washes sins, that guy needed at least 3 Jesus.
I hardly ever studied the Bible, except the odd times I had a bad dream or just felt bored, but I lived a more 'moral' life than these guys. One of them even walked up to me one day and asked 'Are you a spirit-ko, or just a good guy?'.. Up to this point, I'd not given the question of God's existence much thought.

Secondary school over. Freedom. YAY. Not so fast young man. Mom wiped OAU Ile-Ife off my jamb form without my knowing and inserted the name of one of the private Christian universities. Summer break's over and I resume classes with lots of anger in my heart. As expected, it's almost a repeat of my secondary school if not worse. It didn't take long. I became an atheist without realizing it. The Bible, and religion as a whole, meant nothing to me.

End of the first semester and I return home for the Xmas holidays worse than what I was when I left. A deep hatred for pastors. A deep hatred for church. A deep hatred for religion. A week later, I lost my siblings in the Sosoliso plane crash....

2buff: As much as I am not a muslim, the emboldened hints me that you would feel proper letting someone cut you with machette without defending yourself.

truthislight: a dictator would have killed them, not allowing any opposition to escape.

A dictator will have killed off satan, Adam, Eve, and all disobedient Angels at that instance, not giving satan an opurtunity to justify/defend his claims.

truthislight: how?

Your opinion though.

truthislight: but the descendants also inherited their fathers characteristics haven't been operating outside devine guidance that has led to all sort of badness. No?

How can he relate with the unrighteouse while he is holy, holy, holy?

If you were putting on a clear white cloth, will you pickup/carry up on your body a mud stain child without an attempt at cleaning the child?

truthislight: No, they did not ask question they rebelled.

1. They said that Yahweh was lying. Called Yahweh a liar.
2. They said that Yahweh was not a good ruler, that he witched soothing good from them.
3. They coverted Yehwah's position as their God.

truthislight: ^^^

if you mean most powerful(almighty) yes.


^^^

i have not seen that word ^^^ in my bible.

You cannot abandon people an at the same time destined them.



your personal opinion that is.

truthislight: if your creator is irrational, then i wander what you are.

The brain he designed is a testament.

You are limited though, unable to get the ful picture yet.

truthislight: adding is tantamount to a crime.


Like you can see, he Yahweh is not afraid of any person, his words are written in black and white and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

I dont need to twist, so, it makes it very easy for me.
Peace

maclatunji: ^You think I have the time to go round in circles with you. I believe I saw the video last year and I remember saying it is practically impossible to "beat" someone the way you are desperate to put it following what that scholar said. No hitting of the face or sensitive areas, no bruises, scars or marks. Just a light tap like you would with an handkerchief.

Your desperation sells you out. Whine all you want, Islam does not tolerate wife beating but it does recognise that a man may express severely suppressed anger in extreme cases. No one denies that.

Or from your video did you get instructions to hit a woman like a punching bag at a mall? I know the answer is no.

Sweetnecta: Jesus was a prophet [as]. you better not live a life of deceit. someday you will grow up and see how feeble you are. i give you 60 years.

musKeeto: Funny.. On an another thread, he'd argue that all atheists are evil..
Now he wants me to listen to my 'conscience'... Hehehe..

Reyginus: lolol. wie..wie..just have fun.

truthislight: how will you understand what i am saying when you are a rhetoric personified?

What was the essence of this below when the rationality of what the bible says was being discussed? :




with that out of context post i have to be more judicious with my time, hoping you will be more focus hence.

truthislight: where did you see the word omniscience in the bible and where is such definition in the bible.

Dont define God and go ahead to fixe him into your context.

Next is predestination of all things, i dont think so.

Do you think you are in God's image and rational, but yet he God is irrational?

wiegraf: And you talk as if god exists. Where?

truthislight: However, the tree was a symbol of Yahweh authority to guide human in his own best way.

As it were, between obeying Yahweh and satan Adam chosed to obey satan and as such went under the authority of satan, as a result of that Yahweh abandon Adam and his offspring as was shown by Yahweh driving them away out of Eden.

Since Adam obeyed satan, it means that Adam and his offspring are under the control of satan ever since.

That was the essence of the scripture that i had posted that shows the implication of Adam's action in Eden:

16 Do you not aknow that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves as to obey him, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, Romans 6:16
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Bearing that ^^^ universal principal in mind, Adam went under satan's control because he obeyed satan.

And as such we are still under the control/rulership of satan today.

Hence, whatever happens today, it is satan that should be called to answer and not Yahweh that had hands off right from Eden.

"And we know that we originated with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" (1 John 5:19).
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The means of solving the problem of all of mankind is in the coming of God's kingdom that Jesus had said we should pray for it to come:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

"Thy kingdom come".

" Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. ""

(Matthew 6:9-10).

^^^

till then that the kingdom of Yahweh will come, satan remains incharge of this world till he is removed, and the failures are that of satan.
Peace

Ghettoguru: No one can prove he exist neither can anyone prove he doesn't exist! If you want to accept him, embrace faith.... Its just a matter of choice!

Reyginus: ^^I understand.

okeyxyz: Ehh.., Really?, So Jesus copied from you? Cos I thought I was paraphrasing him.

Reyginus: I need not. The others have told you.

Reyginus: Dude, haven't you noticed that many atheists here are demanding what they can't give?

Reyginus: Where is the tolerance atheists preach?

musKeeto: Heheehe...

Have you seen the solution to that riddle?

Mr_Anony: Lol, I didn't realize that we were arguing in the first place. All I have been doing is pointing out your flawed logic. I haven't really been arguing a position.

Mr_Anony: I have asked you previously to state your stance. "Do you believe the future is fixed or not?" You have declined to answer but you want to argue on both sides of the question. You can't have it both ways sir.

wiegraf: This is why you are considered, well...
My position isn't being debated, mr lalala, yours is. I have not made any claims as to what whether I believe the future is fixed or not, or you didn't notice that? You, on the other hand, have. I am pointing out that your claim is complete and utter rubbish thus you should not attach the word logic to it, as it's insulting the intelligence of those around you. How would you feel if I constantly claimed that bill gates lawns my grass? That's how others feel when you go around claiming your ideas are logical.

Mr_Anony: If an omniscient being exists, then the future is fixed. The question that follows from here is: Is the future fixed? It is now whether the future is fixed or not fixed that will determine the existence of an omniscient being according to your premise. You have declined to answer.
If you can't tell me whether the future is fixed or not, then you also lose the grounds to argue for the non-existence of an omniscient being. Your argument is incomplete, you cannot have it both ways.

To reject a position, you must have a counter-position which accept based upon which you reject the position else your objection is null. You cannot argue in a vacuum.

wiegraf: ....
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Suddenly, you've forgotten how the burden of proof works. Was it earlier in this thread or another where you miraculously understood how it worked when it benefited you? Or are you working around proven facts somewhere here that I have to disprove?

Let me explain what we have here, you have basically claimed 1+1=3. I don't have to prove to you 1 + 1 = 2 to point out you're so, so wrong. I don't have to know the answer, I don't have to show you an alternative answer. All I have to do is prove your claim is false. All I have to do is show you that 1 + 1 != 3. Do you understand now?



You see the bolded? That is all. There is no question asked after that. Once examined (a step you seem to be skipping or ignoring), that there is a 1 + 1 = 2 fact. It is our 1 + 1 != 3 to be more accurate. The rest of the text there is completely irrelevant (and features some more crazy anonilogic), it in no way shows how that fact right there can be wrong. It is simple logic.

Also, as I have told you several times, I am not making a claim. I am simply pointing out a fact. Omniscience without any probabilities or chance involved is only possible with predestination. Simple. Once you say there is no chance whatsoever of yahweh being wrong, then the universe and all in it (including him) are predetermined.


I am not make any claims ffs. I don't believe in gods, santa, satan, omoniscients, blah 4king blah so wtf should I be making claims about these? All I do is show you when you make a nonsense claim that it is nonsense...

4k

Mr_Anony: Actually, if you don't think that 1+1=3, you must show that 1+1=2. You can't claim that something is wrong without pointing out why it is wrong by showing what the right answer ought to be.

wiegraf: This is unadulterated folly, so drop it as it's again, really irritating. This is the more accurate version
"You can't claim that something is wrong without pointing out why it is wrong OR by showing what the right answer ought to be."

All I have to do is show you why, the rest is optional. Seems to me you operate as if you already have a conclusion and do everything you can to match it. If whatever steps you have drawn out do not add up logically, then you are wrong. Simple.

Supposing I had an hourglass built to last 1 hour exactly, set it up and made my way to Pikkiwokki's house while moving at 60km/h and steadily maintained that speed. Supposing by the time I reached my destination the hourglass was used up yet I still claimed that I covered only 60km, would you need to know the exact distance I traveled before pointing out I was being stoopid? Simple. A-4king-gain. It does not add up. Quit this as it's very 4king basic, as basic as it gets, yet you somehow don't understand it now that it seems to not be in your favor.

Mr_Anony: yawns

okeyxyz: Nice!! one bros, If for nothing at all, I admire your debating skills, your logic is clever(not necessarily truth) and worthy of engagement. The flaw in your arguments is that you are taking the points in backward sequence. Fine, you don't fear hell because you don't believe in any god, but you still have fears that compel you to do good, at least of which is a conscience or moral code. It weighs on you when you do evil and it rewards(eg endorphin boost) you when you do good. You may do good not because you love good, but maybe out of fear of the relationships you stand to lose, or out of fear of the stress and adverse consequences of doing evil, in whatever way it applies to you. Even the christian scripture acknowleges rewards(for good) and convictions(for evil) regardless of religion or god awareness.

14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them(Romans 2:15-16 )

The case of dog training without physical smacking also illustrates my points. A dog is rewarded for behaving as his trainer requests, and when it misbehaves, such a reward is withdrawn, so this dog learns to associate reward with good behaviour and loss of reward with bad behviour. So the fear of loss compels it to behave accordingly.

okeyxyz: A fundamental flaw of most people is to assume that sacrifices are not replaceable or recoverable, but this is fallacious. People make sacrifices because they have a hope of a reward that is greater than what they are giving up(no matter how great or "meaningful" ) This is the case with jesus, dying and inheriting power and a superior life than he had before. A fat person who goes on diets and gym sessions suffers in doing in doing so, but he/she is aware that the health and social rewards of being slim, fit and healthy far outweighs the pains he goes through.