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zzzzy:
Nice post

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KingEbukasBlog:
They realized they have been ignorant and deluded all those while

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KingEbukaNaija:
Good fine thread

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Richirich713:

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ril19:
The word of God have changed her life.


the word of God is sharper than any two edged sword.


so happy for her.

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KingEbukaNaija:
Good thread

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KingEbukaNaija:
Good thread bro

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KingEbukaNaija:
Only from God

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Weah96:
American Indians buddy. There was a massive genocide for which they continue to receive compensation till this day.

Amer-indians??

urahara:
Seun , the creator of the religion section also uses this section to share unbelief , so if u have a problem with that go and bash ya head

Bash his head and die like your atheist terrorist mentors abi?

johnydon22:
It's not really about explaining something to someone, it's whether such person would still agree after you have explained.

or they still won't agree since they already have a preconceived answer they want to hear..

so there wasn't really any need for you to have bothered, it's a total waste of time....

they asked for an explanation, now watch an argument start..

So he gave a valid explanation right?

thehomer:
Well God doesn't exist and I don't find things pointless..

You'd have to be everywhere (omnipresent) and know absolutely everything (omniscience) to make such a claim.

thehomer:
Whether it was Francis Bacon who said that or the mechanic in Mushin, beliefs don't work that way.

Beliefs dont work that way. But if it was a dawkin or hawking that explained a theory on something that happened millions of years ago. You would believe it. But since the father of science was a christian, then he must have said nonsense. Great inni't?

thehomer:
Actually, philosophy has been very helpful it kicking God out of the picture. Many other scientists and philosophers have given very good arguments against your God.

The same way far greater scientists and philosophers have argued in favour of a Creator.

thehomer:
Because you're wrong. There are lots of atheists who don't believe what you're ascribing to them. Rather than trying to force them to fit your preconceived notion, try to find out what they actually believe.

Like the way you take time out to find out what christians actually believe? What do you believe? Maybe we should start from there.

thehomer:
Literature also helps people find "meaning". So does having the goal of seeking out knowledge for its own sake. Religion actually closes the mind to the world. Most of the prominent scientists today are not Christians so giving me a list of people in days gone by isn't useful to me. Many torture chambers were built by Christians and many slave holders were Christians too. If religion compels you to pursue truth, then you would learn when to change your mind about certain issues "decided" in religion..

You have made two serious claims without any evidence whatsoever;

1. We seek knowledge for the sake of knowledge.
2. Religion closes the mind

Who are these prominent scientists and what have been their significant contribution to science. Maybe you should mention 10 and I will also mention 10 christian scientists and their contributions. You can increase the number if you want. I can also give you a list of scientists that founded what you are busy merrying about today. Its strange you choose to doubt the writings of people who where actually there and choose to believe the writings of scientists who were not there but opted to build on a theory of a man who had doubts about his claims.

Many prisons were built by the Nigerian government, you can as well conclude from that that the president does not exist. We will keep pursuing truth irregardless of how you badly want to separate christianity from science. If matters were already decided in religion, You still wont own a phone today,

thehomer:
I know that what we know today is more accurate than what we knew 100 years ago. You're talking about a "scientific priesthood" as an attempt to bring scientific endeavours down to the level of religion but it just won't work.

Somehow, just somehow, you already have a notion that religion is at a lower level, and this same same mind of yours is open.?

Ever heard of a scientific consensus? okay. There are about 250,000 different species of fossil plants and animals in the world’s museums. This compares with about 1.5 million species known to be alive on Earth today. Given the known rates of evolutionary turnover, it has been estimated that at least 100 times more fossil species have lived than have been discovered. But have you ever questioned the consistency of the fossil gaps if you've even heard anything about that? Why do the fossils go missing in all the important places? Answer that and you'll see how science has been hijacked by pseudo-scientists and reduced to any other method that draws conclusions without observation or evidence.
In that you will understand what i meant by scientific priesthood or authority.

thehomer:
An exhibition of faith would be believing that zombies roamed the earth on the death of a person.

Naah, A better exhibition of faith is the fact you believe that a samsung 15 mpxl camera was created and a 574mpxl human eye came by accident.
Whatever you meant by zombies is yours and yours alone.

thehomer:
Among other things, yes.

Among nothing my friend. Absolutely nothing. No specie has been observed to change into another distinct specie. Dont attempt to remove the word observation from the definition of science.

thehomer:
I already know I sound intelligent.

Yeah omniknowest. Its just strange that your intelligence leads you to believe that your intelligence was created by mindless matter rather than a creator.

thehomer:
That's just it. Science and scientists generally aren't closed minded but religions and the devoutly religious are.

They are close-minded, but somehow they attained scientific feats that scientists of today are yet to equal. And the ones of today are still up in their quest of finding out more about the universe. You know i just laugh when atheist try to cling to science to validate their stand. It shows how insecure they are. Atheism is not science. Find something else you can cling to, maybe bestiality or something nasty.

thehomer:
Then evaluate them with some other tools. And certain fields of science like the social sciences play important roles there.

Other fields of science is science. You sure did not read the Op. Maybe i should ask again: How can you know from science if science is the best and only form of knowledge?
Science was founded in a bid to know more about ourselves and the universe. If the christians that founded science were like you, there would be no science today.

thehomer:
Well God has failed to answer so many prayers that one more failure won't matter to him.

God has always answered my prayers and the prayers of many others, its just a matter of time. Your bid to desperately cling to science wont stop anything. It will only keep showing that atheism is baseless and that you need a place to find solace when asked to justify your atheistic claims.

Seun:
Winner01: Okay, but its probably not so relevant to our discussion of whether belief should require evidence.

That depends on what you mean by evidence. Anything could serve as evidence. Science should not be the ultimate source for gaining knowledge, I gave some points HERE to buttress this.

New-age author and physician Deepak Chopra has offered prominent atheists such as Richard Dawkins and others a $1 million prize challenge to offer a scientific explanation for the biological basis of thoughts and ideas.

Addressing what he called a "tribe of militant new atheists," naming Dawkins, James Randi, and Daniel Dennett, Chopra announced the challenge in a video uploaded on Youtube.

"Can you please offer a scientific understanding for the biological basis of a first-person experience? Any experience – mental experience, or perceptual experience. So for cognition, or for perception. And I'll even make it more simple. Can you offer a scientific understanding for the biological basis of an idea, a thought?" Chopra asks in the video.

"Just tell me how does electrochemistry produce a thought, an idea, and you get the million dollars. I will live up to this. But it has to be a valid, scientific explanation for the biological basis of an idea."

Chopra, who was born in India, has written several books dealing with new understandings of spirituality, alternative medicine and the mind-body relationship.

joseph1832:
What did your bible say will happen to those who don't believe in it?

Oladim001:
Pretty dumb question if you ask me. You know the answer yourself so why ask. .

No one is threatening you with anything. You people claim that the bible is hogwash, You don't believe in the Bible so why bother with a "lie"? .. The fact that you feel this threatened proves that you do believe in God.

thehomer:
Well we know that religion is definitely a poor source of knowledge. What we know from science is that it works when applied to its areas of specialty.

You are missing the point here my friend. My position is that God is the source of all Knowledge. God is why we should even engage in science to know more about the world we live in. I'm laying emphasis on the pointlessness of everything if God does not exist.

I agree with Sir Francis Bacon, who is credited with formulating and establishing the scientific method when he said; "I had rather believe all the fables in the Legend, and the Talmud, and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind."

Religion is different from science just as philosophy is different from science. But all function like the hand to grasp the reality of God's power and might. Religion tries to help us know more about God, Science tries to help us know more about our world. Both are extremely useful in their own rights. Many great scientists have alluded to this.

thehomer:
False. This is a philosophical position.

Absolutely not. That was a logical premise which most atheists argue in favour of. Atheists like to believe that everything real is reducible to scientific principles alone. Everything—from the universe, to human emotion, to spiritual experiences—is explainable through scientific research. That is why you propose scientific scrutiny when theists give their spiritual experiences. I'm at loss on why you dont agree with this premise.

thehomer:
Still doesn't mean religion has anythign useful to contribute.

Religion helps people to find meaning to their lives, it helps people to know more about God, it encourages us to find out more about our world as these great men proved (HERE).
Religion compels us to pursue truth which is exactly why great scientific communities and universities such as Harvard, Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge, and many others were founded by Christians.

thehomer:
This is not a bad thing at all. I change my mind when better information is available. What do you do? Ignore better information? Pretend it doesn't exist? Remain ignorant of it? What?.

You missed my point. My point is this. How are you sure that what you believe right now is the truth and will not change later in the future. You seem so cocksure of your stand even though the scientific priesthood might change its stand tomorrow. If this is not an exhibition of faith, then i wonder what is.

And what do you mean by better information? Evolution?

thehomer:
False. What is the rational justification for believing that zombies roamed a city some 2000 years ago? Or that all the animals on earth could fit in a wooden boat a few thousand years ago?.

You dont need to reply just because you want to sound intelligent. I suggest you re-read the post and see tha point i was trying to make.

thehomer:
I really don't see what the problem here is and experiments bear these facts out. Why should I believe that I'm using a computer? Or that I can communicate in English? The fact that I'm doing them is reason for believing that I can do them. We are primates whether you like it or not..

If science was this close-minded to possibilities, you would not own a cell phone today.

thehomer:
Science is our best shot in the dark when dealing with matter in the universe. Whether you like it or not.

Whether i like it or not, your stand must be true and mine must be false. Thats just typical.

What if we aren't dealing with matter? , what if we are dealing with real emotions, real feelings, spiritual experiences and related occurrences?

Never mind, I'm wrong and you're right, yeah?

thehomer:
Yes. Accept my blessings mortal.

May God open your close mind.

Seun:
How?

Science originated in europe at a time when it was predominantly christian. Somehow scientific findings and ideas were not incompatible with the christian culture of that time. Breathtaking scientific disciplines and fields that we build on today were founded by people who were deeply religious. I proved that (HERE)
Though some were also founded by people from other faiths but im at loss on how many were founded by atheists.
Sir Francis Bacon, is credited with formulating and establishing the scientific method, Great scientific communities and universities such as Harvard, Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge, and many others were also founded by Christians. So for contemporary atheists to propose that christianity impedes science is unfounded. What was it about christianity that propelled these ones to pursue science?.


"I had rather believe all the fables in the Legend, and the Talmud, and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind." - Sir Francis Bacon

analice107:
You were mentioned, go in there and see how many people atheists leaders have killed around the world.

Atheism and islam are similar in terms of intolerance. They all want a totalitarian style of domination. Thank God for christianity.

Seun:
You don't need to prove that there is no God, just as you don't need to prove that Superman is not a real person. You should withold belief until you have a rational reason to believe.


That has always and will always be the case. If science could answer every question, scientists would have no more work to do. But that doesn't mean that religion has the answers. Religion has an abysmal track record when it comes to answering questions about reality. Whenever science and religion disagree, science wins.

Do you believe that science owes its origin to religion. Christianity especially.?

taurus25:
lol....you see the problem with you theists, crazy wild assumptions is what ur good at. we both know that plants cannot survive without sunlight in this world that we live in, or can you provide a video evidence to the contrary?. or maybe one of when god was creating plants without sunlight.

God can create anything anyhow, that is why he is called the Creator. Whatever belief you hold about creation is limited to human intelligence and nothing else. But even at that, God created human intelligence.