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DeSepiero:
I'm not questioning scientific methods of inquiry like carbon dating, I'm questioning the conclusion implied from a picture which has no credible source.

I may be the last man to totally accept that a scorpions fossil is 433 million years old simply because I saw it on a random picture.

okay.

Can you give just one example of a biological specie that has changed from one kind to another.

hopefulLandlord:
Christians should be very careful of their utterances against this Man of Yahweh as Yahweh works in mysterious ways and his wisdom looks like foolishness unto man

Yahweh once told the Israelites to kill all midianites but keep young virgin girls as war booty. This sounds wrong to us but whatever Yahweh commands is wise even if it looks wrong in our limited knowledge he has his reasons

Same way Yahweh sent lying spirits to Ahab's prophets. This also sounds wrong to us but he has his reasons we aren't privy to and he answers to no one

Yahweh also hardened Pharaoh's heart while using that as opportunity to send more plagues and kill innocent people until all firstborn sons of the Egyptians are dead. This also sounds cruel but that's Yahweh showing us his loving power and nobody should question him

Yahweh might've instructed this pastor to do what he did and he might have his reasons so we should not use our limited knowledge to judge what a man talking to a being of unlimited knowledge does. Beware not to bring a curse upon your lives by attacking a true man of Yahweh

lass lass, you go dey alright.

May God punish you and your generation.

If you like complain from now till they kingdom come. Your rulers don't care about you, your life or your generation.
You are also part of the problem by not getting your PVC. The northerners are ready with their PVCs to keep buhari in power till 2023.
If you are afraid of stray bullet on the day of election, and you don't want to get your PVC or vote because of this, you're free.
But you surely can't escape the stray bullet of unnanounced armed robbery, SARs, hardship, poor health facilities, economic meltdown, bad roads, bad health care facilities, corruption, bad governance, looters, unemployment which results to heartbreak, divorces etc.
The plain truth is that this stray bullet will pick at random, anytime, anywhere.
You have a duty to yourself and generation to vote and be part of the process which will determine the course of this country

I wrote a petition against IBEDC, my message to NERC no gree deliver.

If you like complain from now till they kingdom come. Your rulers don't care about you, your life or your generation.
You are also part of the problem by not getting your PVC. The northerners are ready with their PVCs to keep buhari in power till 2023.
If you are afraid of stray bullet on the day of election, and you don't want to get your PVC or vote because of this, you're free.
But you surely can't escape the stray bullet of unnanounced armed robbery, SARs, hardship, poor health facilities, economic meltdown, bad roads, bad health care facilities, corruption, bad governance, looters, unemployment which results to heartbreak, divorces etc.
The plain truth is that this stray bullet will pick at random, anytime, anywhere.
You have a duty to yourself and generation to vote and be part of the process which will determine the course of this country.

hopefulLandlord:
Nonexistent

you can't just let Christians be can you?

Na BBNaija still dey una eyes. Continue....

Can someone please remind me again, what is the name given to someone who does nothing and expects everything for free?

This man is just doing his job, you can't expect him to resign because of you.

I just hope Nigerian youths get their PVCs and decide their future in 2019, for this man cannot continue till 2023, else, economically, this nation will be brought to its feet.

sprints1:
bro ur vote won't count they will rig, use underage to vote, bribe officials my brother a fuccked up country like Nigeria is no place to be senile

so we should not do anything about it?

Either Cee c or Sisi wins, I don't care. Who can explain to Nigerians that they are not voting because of themselves alone but because of the future of the unborn?
Who can explain to Nigerian youths to take their life seriously and focus on major things.
You can afford to be uninterested in politics but you cannot afford to be uninterested in governance and its effects.

Northerners are ready to keep buhari as president till 2023 while the rest of us are waiting for angels to vote him out?
Later we will be asking if it was cows that voted buhari?

Stay on social media and keep complaining and expect angels to vote buhari out. The northerners are ready with their PVCs to keep buhari as president till 2023.

Stay on social media and keep complaining. The northerners are ready to vote buhari in 2019.

Superb, just superb.

This is the reason why atheism does not sell well with humanity. At its core, you find nothing.

I remember when I used to argue with Christians, although most of them were not well-drilled in apologetics, I knew my arguments rested well on nothing. For I could not find anything within or outside to ground my convictions.

Those voting cee c, Nina, miracle, tobi etc, una do well. Please get your PVC and help Nigeria.

Lol

TayserMahiri:
What should perhaps be triggering your brain is the fact that in all of the past, humans were less knowledgeable in just about everything compared to now. People are more atheistic today than the past because of raised levels of awareness of the surrounding ( yeah I know its still a small number of atheists but it is still far more than at any point in history, and the reason why so few are atheists has to do with several factors including fear (of parents or society), being uninformed (uneducated), wanting to fit in etc.. Back then no one had an idea of what the Sun was for instance, or what rain is. You would have to be one hell of a hardcore dude not to believe that the rain was not God himself peeing for example, or heaven being up there in the stars. But now we know heaven is nowhere up there or else it has to be somewhere beyond several billion galaxies because they have been peeped through and found to be no different from our local galaxies. And though we may now know so many of the things that were unexplainable in the past to be explainable stuff now, there is still alot to be explained. In fact we havent even scratched the surface. There is still a heap of a lot to be known, and one thing that seems pretty clear is that every time something is investigated, it is found to be very explicable without requiring magic explanations.

I really cant get what your point is in the last point. You sound so comfortable with it when in fact it makes me even surer that your God is no different from Zeus or Thor

Thanks for the same, repeated bed time story.

Those who have helped humanity in the area of knowledge have been mostly religious.

I'm a scientist too, and I'm firmly spiritual

Atheism is an age old worldview, its had all the time to grow. Hopelessness and emptyness doesn't sell well with humanity.

If you think my God is not different from Brahma, you do well. You'll notice I don't argue the existence of God with anyone here, I simply give my points on carefully selected subjects.

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DeLioncourt:
PS. Morality wasn't taken from god. Morality is defined by society.
The knowledge of good or bad is determined by upbringing.
There was a time when men killed men to impress their mating partners..and this was considered normal.
But now, even hitting another person is a questionable act.

in my village, we crack peoples head open for fun.
And that is my upbringing too


No sucker has the right to explaiyn his own version of good to me

Imma crack yo head

DeLioncourt:
Encouraging people to consult reason before making decisions is not indoctrination. Taking a child to church and bible study classes is indoctrination.

Ah, okay.

Atheism is reason, while church is indoctrination.

Issokay.
I'll indoctrinate my children with the way of the Lord then.

TayserMahiri:
And your evidence that it was sure as hell intelligently designed is??


I know the answer

It is too complex
Thats your answer right?

I don't need evidence. I sure as hell don't need evidence that my "much less complex" Honda was intelligently designed.


The world does not need evidence on what can be arrived at by commonsense.

DeLioncourt:
Speaking against a pernicious belief doesn't necessarily mean regard for it.
That I disregard something doesn't mean I can never speak or have an opinion concerning said thing.
I am not evangelizing...or trying to convert anybody. Believe what you want, but don't force it down people's throats.
Don't indoctrinate children who aren't old enough to make decisions and know what is right for them.

Okay, keep speaking on a religion section while you maintain your belief that God does not exist

I was indoctrinated into atheism, don't you think atheist families should not also indoctrinate their wards?

TayserMahiri:
So you are comfortable with people believing in the dead, or juju masters just because humanity has always believed something, but uncomfortable with people reasoning rationally?

I'm not saying in comfortable with anything, you're the one projecting your thoughts to me.

My point once again: Humanity have always been religious, atheism is alien to humanity and that's why despite years of outspokenness and rallies, it remains a minority worldview.


The is no proof that a certain part of humanity ceased to believe in the supernatural. I'm simply considering at the biological make up of man.

TayserMahiri:
What do you know better?

That theres no way the 574mp human eye was not intelligently designed.

TayserMahiri:
And that is evidence for your god?

I do not debate the existence of God with atheists or anyone.

Humanity has always believed in one form of god or the other in a bid to reach accurately for the supernatural. The beliefs may have been perverted but it only proves that atheism is alien to humanity. I've asked for proofs of counter claims and found none.

TayserMahiri:
Mr Religulous, does belief in ancestors also fall in your category of supernatural? You seem to mean everything 'supernatural' falls in the same category and therefore normal and probably right and human and so on.. So what makes you feel nice about people believing (and worshiping) ancestors and people believing and worshiping Yahweh?? Is that some kind of back up for your case?

In other words, would you be comfortable to stand in front of a gathering of christians and tell them that one of the reasons you believe in God is because there are tribes who worship ancestors and that is proof enough that you need someone like Yahweh or Allah just because it is natural to believe in some extraordinary stuff? Wouldnt that be quite shocking to your audience?

Your point that humans historically believed in the supernatural is just evidence that your belief is no more different than idol worship or ancestor worship or satan worship or any other kind of wor-sheep

Ok..


Every generation of human has believed in one form of god or the other. I haven't seen any solid evidence for a counter claim.

DeLioncourt:
After ghosting for a while in this section, I have come to realize that a lot of people don't really understand what it means to be an atheist...even some of those that claim to be.
Atheism is simply a complete disregard of the notions that a god, gods or supernatural entities exist.

Atheism is simply impracticable. Either you steal morality from God, or talk constantly about God, or live life as if there is a purpose, or attach meaning to life..atheism remains impracticable.
You see what I bolded in your quote? You can't disregard something and go ahead to write an epistle on it.

Regard means "attention" or "concern" for something. You claim a complete disregard for God and god notions , yet you go ahead to write the epistle below.

DeLioncourt:
The fact is that, the existence of god cannot be disproved...just as the existence of the flying spaghetti monster and his noodly appendages cannot be disproved. However, their existence cannot be proven either.
I have a question for stans of the god hypothesis. According to your belief, unbelievers will go to hell right? Why then are you bothered by atheists? I'll tell you why.
It's because you fear that they may indeed be right. Your indoctrination has eaten so deep that to even consider the possibility of god's non existence scares you. And it scares you because you fear death and the eternal flames you have been threatened with.
A very large majority of "religious people" are in their parent's religion. I strongly believe that if you were born in a whole nother side of the world, you will probably be a dedicated mormon or animist.

Religion has wrought nothing but misery on the world. Some argue that the world is more moral because of religion... Tell that to the victims of 9/11. Tell that to the victims of the Charlie hebdo attack...or the women accused of witchcraft and burnt to death by the church... Or to the thousands of people slaughtered by the inquisitions. Tell that to the Nigerians slaughtered by boko Haram.
Religion is a poison. A cancer.

The burden of proof lies with the believer. You concocted the idea of a god and you want us to believe...then prove that he exists. Don't ask me to prove that your imagination is infact imagination.

As for those that want to sit on the fence (agnostics), know that your choice is respected but is as impoverished as the choice to believe.
Let me humor you and assume that god indeed does exist... Do you think the infanticidal, genocidal, gambling god of the Bible will forgive you for your doubts?

As for the apologists that will attack this thread, I'll try as much as possible to answer all your questions and rants. Try to be as coherent as possible tho.

Your gods do not exist.

Impracticable Impracticable

Being on a religion section is enough proof, the need to evangelize and persuade people to be on your side of "truth" is enough proof. This is not "lack of regard" or "lack of belief".

Practice atheism.

This is what all these feminists should be up against. Most ladies are going through this harrasment and they are helpless.


In other news, you can influence the future of this country. The northerners are waiting for us with their PVCs. Yoruba's and Igbo's, why have you abandoned your PVCs only to later ask if it was cows that voted buhari the second time.

Didn't know that my brother KingEbukasBlog has written on this once: https://www.nairaland.com/3771249/introducing-implicit-theism-think-born

budaatum:
Superhumanist, you might have spoken a tard too hastily!

Ignorance is the actual nature of a new born person. They can then develop an irrational view of their surroundings and make their mothers tit a god, or a rational view limited to what they observe without a need to deify things!

Great. Christianity is taught and you'll also agree that atheism is taught too.

Also, most if not all generations of humanity have always felt the need to deify things.

Dalam0n:
Must you always tell lies? You've challenged the beliefs of muslims here, that was actually what you were mostly onto before you decided to engage the atheist. What about atheism have you exposed and how effective has been your activity? How many atheist have you converted to your religion? How many atheisthere on nairaland have ever claimed that religion has been the major cause of deaths in history? You are just beating a straw man which is something you guys do always. Truth to which supernatural? And how many muslims have you shown this truth? How many muslims have shown christians here the truth? You guys just condemn the other religion and try to assert the truth claims of your religion while telling the opposing religion how false and even absurd their beliefs are. Before the atheist came here that was what the religion section was all about. It became so bad that an Islamic section had to be formed because christains kept mocking and insulting Islam and some crazy Muslims threatened the owner of nairaland that he had to create an Islamic section that was very strickly moderated. You guys should NOT cry when a taste of your own medicine is giving to you. I mock Christians and Muslims and their ridiculous religious beliefs. That is what I come here to do. If you don't like it then tell your God to close down my account. At least some of your deluded christians friends like Felixmoron have openly told your God to kill me because am mocking him. You can also join them, since you obviously can not do anything about me mocking your religious beliefs. As for havinga life. I do have a life that am enjoying very well.I can do freely what ever I want to do with my time. Mocking things that are obviously ridiculous and illogical is what I do. You just said that when you engage muslims it gets illogical but then you still do it. Why engage in something you have confessed gets illogical? Your arguments and theirs is illogical and you shouldn't be suprised when people call you out on it. It's that simple. Calling out things that are illogical doesn't mean am sick in the head. It simply means am calling out things that I find absurd.You've been indoctrinated to believe that anybody that questions your belief is not at peace with himself that is why you are spewing this nonsense. Some Muslims for example have been indoctrinated to accept and kill anybody that questions or mocks their beliefs. Nothing new there. You are just displaying the innermost workings of your indoctrination at its best.How is crying true? How is sexual urge true? True as compared to what? What about human imaginations that gave birth to religion? How are they true? What is the right path? The religion that you were indoctrinated with since childhood? Why not the other religions that you weren't indoctrinated with? What evidence have you provided that is objective to show that your religion is true and others are false? What can your God do that other Gods can not do? How have you demonstrated that to members of other religions here? What objective truth have you present to the muslims and how many have you converted here on nairaland? As for me mocking religion, it's obvious that you don't like it. Report me to your God already, and tell him to block.my account, some have told him to kill me. You can join them if you like.The universe is not a human society and I see no reason why it should act as one. Humans always attribute causes to things, it's a natural instinct but it is not true.That has been demonstrated to ne true many many times. And that is part of the reasons why humans created the God idea, to give or serve as explanations to things. It is a thing human beings do. But it has nothing to do with reality because humans are yet to fully grasp and understand the natural world around them.No God has been shown to exist on its own without human input. No God has been shown to exist on its own without human writings, human cultural and societal acceptance. If you know any God that exist on its own without human input then point to that God and show how it exist on its own without human input.
All Gods are man made that is why there are different Gods and different religions. Gods are human ideas. Humanshave to sit down create the idea, invent the stories to back up the idea and also spread the idea. It is true with all religions.So far humans have created thousands of Gods throughout history, most are even dead because people do not believe in them anymore. You don't know anything about the Gods your ancestors worshipped 1500 years ago, you can't tell me it's name or anything about it, but they had their own Gods that is totally different from the one you believe in today.

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You like typing long bullsh*t and then after I read through, hoping to find new points, I discover its the Same bullsh*t you been saying for years that you're repeating. Here are some points you need to note.

1. You claim to be free from religion or all religious beliefs and yet you spend a great portion of your time on an anonymous religion section to ridicule and mock religious people and their beliefs.
This is clearly a struggle for inner peace, its funny how you don't see that, but I'm sure reasonable people can notice this.

2. You will hardly find 10 posts of mine debating with fellow theists (Muslims) but I can give you an example of 500 of your most recent posts against God and Christianity. This is bigotry graduating into insanity.

3. You sound so stupid when you try to explain what you do here. You are here to ridicule people but never for once have you tried to tell us what your newly found belief is all about. You claim atheism is not odious and empty and yet can't construct a simple thread on the benefits of atheism or what atheism can do for humanity.

4. Your bigotry has blinded you to an extent that you can't see that this thread is not a debate on the existence of God. Not that you are even intelligent enough to debate.

5. You really need to calm down, humanity will continue to be religious in the search for their Maker (the one true God). Man will continue to believe in the supernatural until he can lay his hands on truth.

Here's what man will not do.......Man will not live life as if this is where it ends or as if this is all there is to reality. Commonsense will always prevail and this will form their basis in the search for truth.

Here's what you'll keep doing, you'll keep struggling with yourself
-to accept the new you
-to remind yourself daily that there is nothing more to this life and people must listen to you
-to renew your superiority meter by mocking "deluded" Christians
-to remind yourself that you can always discuss God or religion daily, while deluding yourself that you have moved on
-to delude yourself that you are right and everyone else is wrong
-to convince yourself that you're very intelligent and have made the right decisions.

While you wear yourself out in this stage of sadness, agony and delusion, religion will keep increasing and spreading, many people will find God and find happiness as well. The world will keep moving and humanity will keep responding to the laws of nature and commonsense.

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