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Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:58am On Oct 31, 2016

felixomor:
Sorry, ur first statement actually sounds like a kid talking if u dont know.
Till today, even the most intelligent scientists are still puzzled and trying to unravel the mystery of consciousness and even sleep.
Nobody has been able to satisfactorily explain the link between sleep, consciousness and the brain.

U claim to be adult.
But u dont apply reason before talking.
Sorry to say.

Why do people sleep? Its still a mystery Bro. But as usual, atheists dont question everything grin

I feel you Bro.

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:55am On Oct 31, 2016

hopefulLandlord:
it even makes absolutely NO sense when Winner01 and co yammer on about bill and mark not doing like us

how is he so sure they're not doing the same?

isn't this a faceless forum where anybody can come, create a profile and post his thoughts? does Winner01 and his fellow deluded Christian apologists know if Mark and Bill are doing same on another website?

or do they think internet is restricted to Nairaland?

do they know every person behind each atheist monicker on cyberspace?

So you are hoping these people share your bigotry grin

Gosh, you really need more people on your embarrasingly outnumbered campaign. I now get what raphieMontella was trying to do. grin

Well, continue with your crusade, I just hope none of you gets to the place of power. At least, not until you drop these garments of hate and bigotry.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:50am On Oct 31, 2016

HardMirror:
Lol
See rubbish talk.
God supposedly answers your own prayers, gives you food, gives you a job, gives you a wife, gives you a car, blesses you with an extra car, blesses you with even one more extra car, a range rover or G wagon. You have multiple suits and nice shirts, all blessings of God. Does that mean you won't make heaven too?
So making heaven is not a function of their suffering on earth. Why can't God feed then and also guide them to make heaven has I suppose he is doing with you and the brood of vipers you call your church members.

lol. Just chill.

Show me a verse in the Bible where God claims he will wipe evil of the earth and we will live in a perfect earth with the devil and his angels on earth. At least you claim to be an ex-pastor.

Have you forgotten the parable of the wheat and tares.

I will continue to thank God, help people I can and love more. Its quite sad tgere is nothing you people can do about that. wink

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:46am On Oct 31, 2016

dalaman:
A few western leaders are atheist already. Barack Obama is definitely a closet atheist, Hillary Clinton is another. Talking about anger you spend all your time online haranguing muslims back in the days and now atheist yet you still talk about anger? You are one very deluded fellow.

What do you mean haranguing muslims undecided

Are you okay undecided

Nawa oo. Maybe if atheists allowed religious people to share their beliefs in peace on a religion section, maybe there wont be much tension.

You are so angry. I dont know what you are going through, but its not my fault.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:44am On Oct 31, 2016

HardMirror:
You did not address his post. It takes humans effort to do good. It costs money. Pls what does it cost god?
With a word God can change the lives of those he claims he SOOOOO LOVESSSS.
How can God answer mundane prayers but leaves out the important ones?
You indeed lack empathy. Despite all your useless threads trying to prove atheists to be wicked.

Okay Bro. If you say so. Just know it does not make it so.

Evil exists temporarily, ive made myself clear on that. Temporary is not the same as permanent.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:41am On Oct 31, 2016

dalaman:
A few western leaders are atheist already. Barack Obama is definitely a closet atheist, Hillary Clinton is another. Talking about anger you spend all your time online haranguing muslims back in the days and now atheist yet you still talk about anger? You are one very deluded fellow.

Wtf.. Obama is a christian bro. I ddnt even know till the last meeting he had with some military personnel aired live on cnn. He confirmed it when someone asked why he does not call terrorists islamic jihadist.

But its funny though. If any of Obama, Putin etc was an atheist ir as angry as you are. I fear that they might take us back to the 20thcentury with their hatred for religion. Seeing that not less than 85% of the world is religious. It might be bloody.

You should be busy trying to win the hearts of people over in love so that they can consider voting for an atheist president. Not expressing hatred for God and religion.

dalaman:
There is greater good because we have humans doing their best to mitigate evil. If a natural disaster strikes you'll see how humans rally round to help each other. Go to the hospitals and see how humans are helping and saving each others lives. Law enforcement officers are risking their lives to maintain law and order . Human beings are doing good and evil. Where is your God and what role is he playing? He's busy living inside your head and telling you to defend it and explain it's mysterious ways. I've told you no God that lives outside your head will depend on you to defend it or make it's case. Only an imaginary one that lives inside your head will do that.

In my head, lol, ive heard you. I just dont know why you'll be angry about thoughts in my head.

Thats what I said. If we live in love, we can become powerful tools in the hands of God to shame the devil. Thats what most christians who build orphanages, hospitals, outreach in prisons, villages, idps are doing.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:12am On Oct 31, 2016

Lennycool:
And I said before that bill and mark are the faces of their respective companies. If they bad mouth religion it will reflect on the company, as will a sex tape, arrest, bad health, arrest e.t.c they are very careful. America is a largely homophobic, racist and misogynistic society. Yet they would rather vote a homosexual, a woman, a black person in office than an atheist in a poll conducted a decade ago.

Do you think we dont have several atheists like mark zuckerberg who on a normal day will think what you do here is stupid. Ive met an atheist who says he prefers to live in a country full of christians than atheists or others. Ive met atheists who do not think religion is evil, they only claim they have not found enough evidence.

Not every atheist is as angry as you people, same goes for Mark zuckerberg. we have reasonable people who will look at the facts objectively and will have a civil discussion on why they dont believe in God. Not trying out their stupidity online.

Maybe if you and your brothers stopped being angry and be more productive like Zuckerberg, majority of the world wont be scared to vote in an atheist president to avoid the madness that happened in the 20th century in most atheist ruled countries.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:07am On Oct 31, 2016

JhyMedex:
Aight...

Lecturer fails to come countless tyms after dt first absence... Will it b rational however to assume he's probably not working wit d skul again or maybe even dead?..

No Bro. Dont you think this lecturer comes to class more often than not. Evil cannot allow us to close our eyes to the greater good that abounds bro.
I just sent you a pm.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:02am On Oct 31, 2016

dalaman:
Don't here is this God that allegedly created the universe but depends on people like winner01 and co to explain to others why evil exist. No God that exist will rely on any of them to explain anything about him to any body. Read their answers and see the gibberish they are saying. When you tell them that they worship nothing but their imaginations they start crying baaaa baaaa baaaa.

Winner01 says he doesn't like evil. He says if he sees evil he'll try his best to stop it, yet he claims that his God whom he claims is the epitome of goodness and love allows evil to exist for reasons he can not articulate or fail at articulating. These guys just keep attributing contradictory characters to this imaginary God of theirs.

God is loving, just and merciful but he allows evil to exist. Take a look at the world today, does it look as if any good, loving or merciful God has any role to play in it? We have good, loving and merciful humans doing and trying their best.

I just want these christians to give us an example of God's love to humanity that is tangible and objective to all humans. Something that all humans when presented with will say oh that's and example of God's love.

There is far more greater good than evil in the world. The fact that your challenges has blurred your vision does not mean everyone's challenges has.

If we worship our imaginations, do you want us to stop worshipping it with you undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 10:29pm On Oct 30, 2016

raphieMontella:
bros..na simple question i ask you o...
Run a joint foundation with who's money?

A non-atheists money.

Do you think you or any other angry atheist here share anything in common with Bill gates or Mark Zuckerberg undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 10:28pm On Oct 30, 2016

JhyMedex:
Aight Bruv will check it...

Imagine dis scenario.. A lecturer makes u come 4 lectures on a Sunday... U sef na imagine d discomfort u'll go thru avin to come to lecture wen u shld b in church.

U r harassed by the security guys, who insist u shldnt b in d lecture room on Sunday...
U finally make it to class...
Bt den he fails to attend d lecture himself

Wld it b OK 2 complain and implore dt d lecturer rectify d situation?..

Of course it will be okay to complain and try to contact the lecturer to express your feelings.

What will be irrational is to conclude that the lecturer does not exist simply because he did not attend the lecture himself.

I wish we can discuss better. You can PM me bro.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 10:22pm On Oct 30, 2016

olasubomi007:
Sorry bro.. But I'm not an atheist.. Am just trying to prove a point that Atheists give to charity and most of the top philanthropists are either agnostic or atheists

I'm sorry. I ddnt know that...

But some studies have shown that religious people are more charitable than atheists. You can search google for the study.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 10:20pm On Oct 30, 2016

Image123:
Again, the atheist have defined God and God does not fit their fancy definition, therefore God does not exist. It is as foolish as me saying NL ought to pay me money per post and in dollars. NL does not exist as they do not fit my idea of what NL should be. That is the summary of the average atheist thinking.

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 10:18pm On Oct 30, 2016

raphieMontella:
run a joint foundation with who's money?

Na wa oo. Are you trying to separate what God has joined together just because of cheap points.

Bill gates is not an atheist. He knows that it makes sense to believe in God.

Which one of you can say it makes sense to believe in God with this you hate filled petty minds.

It is an insult to mention these peoples names. Mark Zuckerberg sef come Africa, we no hear pian about his atheism.

Even in his country, we still havent heard pian about his atheism.
How on earth would you people think these ones are anything like y'all undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 10:03pm On Oct 30, 2016

olasubomi007:
Make I just giv u 2 names.. Make u go sleep..

Bill Gates.. He hs donated over 80+ billion dollars to charity..

Mark Zuckerberg

Bill gates is not an atheist. Melinda gates is a christian. She is a billionaire and they run a joint foundation. These people you mentioned are not as angry and insecure as NL atheists. They are nothing like you.
68% of the worlds billionaires are christians and they also donate to charity.

Christians build orphanages, hospitals, schools, outreach in prisons and IDP camps. What do you people do. Rant on Nairaland undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 10:00pm On Oct 30, 2016*

Lennycool:
So because he created them its now okay to let them suffer?
If so he is wicked

I dont have an answer to that question. I only have a solution. And it is to abide by Jesus one and only commandment: LOVE

However if you are so angry and have the power, I suggest you go meet God in heaven and take some policemen with you, so you can do justice to Him for His wickedness.

The picture below summarizes all that atheists (dead, present and unborn) will ever be to the most high God. A harmless, very angry beetle.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 9:51pm On Oct 30, 2016

JhyMedex:
C'mon.. Wen is it gon b time... According to xtianity earth is 6000 yrs old..
Imagine wat man has had 2 endure within dt period...
Countless wars, floods, drought and natural catastrophes, genocides,starvation, plagues (such as the black plague dt cut Europe's populations by almost 1/3)...
How much more do we av to endure in a system whr we were neva consulted b4 being thrust in...

I respect your points. Especially your last statement. We were never even consulted before we were created, this singular facts leaves no justification for questioning God.

Perhaps if we asked to be created, we would have the rights to question certain things we are not happy with. Bro, I am not happy with evil too. The least I can do is to help people, love people and pray that those i cant help find help.

Earth is not 6000 years old according to christianity. That figure was gotten by Archbishop James Ussher who took the creation days as literal and assumed that the Bible had complete genealogies.
The fact remains, no one knows the age of the earth.
Some Scientists who think the earth is billions of years old trust that nothing happened over millions of years to affect the decay of radioisotopes...

The thing is, there is little we can do about the existence of evil. And we must do that little.

To say God does not exist because of the existence of evil is irrational.

You can check the front page, I posted a clip on the origin of evil. i'd like you to see it.

Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 8:52pm On Oct 30, 2016

LightandDarkness:
Why does God permit evil temporarily then.

So what, their suffering doesnt matter cause their life isnt theirs anyway, it belongs to God?

All life belongs to the Creator of life.

I posted a short clip on the front page of this thread. It explains the origin of evil and why evil exists temporarily. i'd like you to see it.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 8:03pm On Oct 30, 2016

Lennycool:
Hence he is wicked

lol. A non existent person cant be wicked.

I'm not sure you people really disbelieve in God's existence.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:53pm On Oct 30, 2016

LightandDarkness:
You said God permits wickedness.

How do you know what death means to a God you've never met.

Anyway you dont know that these people went to heaven (if there is one). Essentially what you're saying is that all suffering happens because God allows it (why not just stop them from being born rather than allowing them be born only to suffer). And at the end of it all some of these people will go to heaven and some to hell (another supposed design of God) to continue to suffer.

God permits evil temporarily.

If God creates life, and takes back what he created. How do you come into the picture undecided

Until you understand that God is sovereign, i dont think our discussion will ever make sense.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:35pm On Oct 30, 2016

frank317:
Ok, these questions might not disprove the existence of God but they sure prove that your idea of God is psychotic and disturbing.

Have u considered that you might actually be worshipping a monster? I think k humans need to kill it, ibstead of worshipping it (that's if he exists, for most of u who usually gets confused at this point)

Oya nau. gather your brothers lennycool, hopefulLandlord, hahn and co and go kill it. undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:33pm On Oct 30, 2016

jonbellion:
they even say nonsense like "God helped them find their car keys"

Oga, God helped me to find my trouser undecided

Kill yourself.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:32pm On Oct 30, 2016

JhyMedex:
Mildly controllable?. Am sorry cld u elucidate

Question tho is if God can do all things.. Y has He nt rid d world of d ginormous amt of opinion n agony within it...
I see d pix of starving children n I jst ask... What's stopping God frm saving them from dt agony?..

Children are starving because of the wickedness of man. The earth can provide for our needs not our greed.

God did not promise or claim that he will rid the world of agony. At least till that time comes when He will judge the earth and wipe evil off the face of the earth.

Those innocent children who suffered and died are back with their maker, enjoying themselves. Death to us is the ultimate, to God it is a transition into another realm.

Nothing is stopping God from saving them. But a time will come when He will wipe evil off the earth. That time is not now. In the mean time, me and you can help people as much as we can, love people as much as we can and be useful to our generation.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 7:24pm On Oct 30, 2016

LightandDarkness:
So you're saying God lets these people die and suffer....

God is not man. Death doesnot mean to you what it means to God.

Those people who "suffer and died" may be in heaven free of death and suffering while you remain the advocate of the dead against God - the creator of life itself.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 6:25pm On Oct 30, 2016*

The Christian worldview has an explanation for the existence of evil. No other worldview in the world has such consice explanations.
Not even atheism.

Atheism can only criticize evil but can not give a reason why it exists.

Evil exists temporarily in this world and the best we can do is to reflect love, peace and grace to others as much as we can.

Jesus said: "Love your neighbour as yourself", not love only christians. If we all swallow our pride and follow this basic commandment, the world wipp be a better place.

I recommend this short clip on the origin of Evil for everyone who is reading this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQmLVU_nvo8

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 6:23pm On Oct 30, 2016*

Lennycool1:
Then how can a loving God bring them to this world knowing fully well what they would go through?
I'm sure there are theist here that will object and say Jesus.
No one said anything about God not existing, I said if he existed he was wicked.
We live in an imperfect world and we are imperfect creatures.

Jesus is the answer admist all the confusion in the world. It does not matter what you say..

So Now God EXISTS but is wicked. Why not show God how not to be wicked.

We are imperfect creatures in an imperfect world, no one claimed otherwise. However we have a perfect God who even though he allows evil to exist temporarily has a perfect plan to redeem humanity from evil.

SeunLanLege:
This is progress, at least you didn't try to justify the deaths of 15,000 people and you agree that the earth isn't intelligently designed

Justify what, who is this undecided

The earth is intelligently desgined, if it isnt, go design yours more intelligently than God's

frank317:
U sound confused..
How the does God help one pass exam even after he had studied hard for it?
It's really simple reasoning... If you accept God helped someone get a job, despite knowing he studied hard, why do you blame man when when evil happens despite man actually having a hand in it.
Why is God exempted when it's evil and given the Glory when it's good? Yet in both cases, the action of man is obvious?

Evil exists and God permits it. lol. You guys are just all over the place.
Just tell people you dont want them to believe in God anymore instead of all these pseudo intellectual gimmicks.
Either Good or Bad, God allows it. Evil exists and this fact is throughly explained by the christian worldview. What is the atheist explanation of evil.

frank317:
Lol... Am glad you thank your God in tears... So u thank him for giving u tears... Lol.
U don't have to answer the question bro... E pass u.

In tears we thank God. We give thanks to God in all things.
All things.
So what should we do, reject God like you undecided

Lennycool1:
The bolded is why I opened this thread of "stupidity" because of people like you that think those children's suffering is somehow okay because its temporary. Tell me will they go hell too because they didn't know Jesus before death or will God give them leniency to heaven.

Only God knows those who are going to Hell or Heaven. Suffering is not okay and no christian has ever made such claim. You are only looking for non existent basis to tell us why we should not believe in God with you. Moreover, when did temporary and okay become the same thing.

You guys are just terrible.

Just say it plainly: "I dont want you to believe in God with me."

Its okay, we will understand your pain. Instead of all these false premises you have based your conclusions upon.

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 6:21pm On Oct 30, 2016

frank317:
Ya right, when man causes problem for himself it's man's fault.
When man causes good for himself it's is God's fault..

Tell me, is your God just nothing but an opportunist?

Bro. In tears and Joy, we will continue to thank God.

You should know that these petty questions wont get me.

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 6:19pm On Oct 30, 2016

Lennycool1:
And I'm sure your typing that with your phone, probably inside a nice little shelter, you probably have clothes on and probably wore your best to church today, you eat three square meals a day, drink nice clean water and its even cold when there's light. Don't you just love your life with Jesus?
When you've starved so much you no longer have the strength to cry or pray or even move, when you've never worn clothes for months and they are the least of your worries, when you've had to drink water so dirty it wouldn't be fit for washing your legs, when your whole life you've had nothing but pain hunger and suffering, only dreams of food, only imaginations of your own death. Then you can tell me there is a God that cares. Only then.

God exists.
The care of God can be argued on other grounds.
Ill take your words seriously if you can show me a verse in the Bible where God promises a EARTH free of pain, suffering and evil.

These things exist temporarily. I try as much as possible to show lovd to people, to help people as much as I can. What do you do?

Come to Nairaland and tell people not to believe in God becausd people are suffering undecided

Work, not talk. You thread is dishonest and will not motivate a single person to help another.

Create a thread to motivate love, and not this stupidity.

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 6:12pm On Oct 30, 2016

Lennycool1:

Wow such wisdom. However shall we counter such intellectual wit.
Did God give you this unparalleled wisdom?

No. I'm giving my own suggestions.

Do you have all the answers to the questions in the world?

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 6:11pm On Oct 30, 2016

JhyMedex:
Bt Bruv wat abt Natural disasters dt cause tremendous amount of agony... Dt man made too?..

That is why I used the term "mildly controllable"..I chose those words carefully.

Evil exists in this world temporarily and it the christian worldview has given a reasonable explanation for it, better than any other worldview.

The best we can do is to show love as much as we can.

I may not have all the answers to your questions, neither can any one claim to have all the answers in the world too.

But to disprove the obvious existence of the Creator because of problems which are within human control is quite stupidd.

What is the atheist explanation for the existence of evil.

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 6:07pm On Oct 30, 2016

JhyMedex:
Bt Bruv wat abt Natural disasters dt cause tremendous amount of agony... Dt man made too?..

That is why i used the term "mildly controllable"....I chose those words carefully.

This world is where evil exists temporarily. All kinds of evil.

I do not have an answer to all these questions, but no one has all the answers to lifes questions either.

But it does not disprove the existence of God. God never said he's going to wipe evil off the face of the earth.
Evil exists temporarily and the Bible gives a reasonable explanation for it

What is the atheistic explanation for evil undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why It's Stupid To Say God Answered Your Prayer by winner01(m): 5:58pm On Oct 30, 2016

SeunLanLege:
Of Course Its Never Your god's fault.

Its The FauLt of Humans For Making A Planet That Has Highly Unstable Tectonic Plates. Your Argument Just Failed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tōhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami

Why not make your own planet with a more stable tectonic plate, then call out to God for being a poor designer.

You hate and bigotry is what has blinded you.

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