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SeunLanLege:
Your God, who has infinite power. Who could end the suffering of millions of people in a fraction of a picosecond. It would cost him/it nothing. It would not cause him/it to sweat nor will he/it lose anything.

Infact he/it would gain a lot. He/it would've proven his/its existence to the whole world.

But of course he/it sits idly by. While people like you who haven't the slightest shred of human empathy defend the existence of a being you've never seen/heard.

Remind me, what's the definition of psychosis?

God permits evil temporarily, it does not discredit the existence of God.

Most of those kids whose picture you have posted are back in heaven with their Maker free from the evil on earth.

God has created earth which can provide for mans need, not greed and foolishness.

Stop being a bigot.

SeunLanLege:
The concept of empathy is foreign to Christians.

I've said it before. The phrase "Christain humanist" is a contradiction. And anyone who claims to be such is a lying hypocrite.

Global suffering was one of the things that made me an atheist. It was too much to ignore and too severe to justify. I had to come to terms with its either atheists are right and God doesn't exist or he's evil. Either way I can't continue with religion.

The concept of empathy is not foreign to christians simply because you said so.

Global suffering does not disprove the existence of God. Evil exists temporarily.

If man was not so foolish, global suffering would be mildly controllable.

Its ironic that he causes a problem and then blames God for it.

Actually, we will continue to thank God in all things despite your dishonest wailings. In all things we will thank God. Through good and Bad.


Man inflicts pain on his fellow man through the direct violation of the one and only commandment Jesus Christ gave "Love your neighbour as yourself.".

What's worse?

He still has the audacity to blame God for the problems which he caused in the first place, and then uses this as a justification that God does not exist.

If man was God, even he has to ignore this foolishness.


Christians build orphanages, hospitals, schools, outreach in prisons and IDP camps etc, all in a bid to tackle the problem of evil. What do you people do? Rant on Nairaland and beg us not to believe in God with you


Is there nothing new for you guys to say


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greatdude:
I hope so but I don't think it works that way. That scientific findings have grown tremendously over the past few centuries is no guaranty that it will find answers to a certain scientific question in the coming century. Researchers are working to find answers no doubt but as we speak there are no indications yet that they will resolve this puzzle.

Science is great. It has helped us and will contunue to help us. Science is man made, i dont think it has the credentials to probe the supernatural.

Naah, atheists will begin to hate on Majid.

I'm still wondering why atheists have not stormed the football world to protest against players from "inappropriate" celebrations.

I dont think the world will take atheism seriously anytime soon. lol.

Nairaland will shaa

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frank317:
See this one... U deserve a medal for being the only guy who boldly talks nonsense. Unfortunately people like winner01 are following ur lead.

frank317 how far now. Its been long we had those heated exchanges.

PastorAIO:
Could you please further explain what those statements mean?

How can a person be Existence? Existence is a state, or a value that you give to a thing. A person can exist or not exist.

A person can be tall or short, but it is nonsensical to say that a person is height.

You might get away with saying God is Life depending on what you mean by life.

But the most nonsensical of all is to say that Eternity lives in Him.

What does Eternity mean to you? How can eternity be in a person?

God is not a person.
Can you people ever wrap your heads around God being the Creator of all

dalaman:
Its not about discrediting christianity? The girl in the story did not experience anything different from what others including atheist have experienced. I remember the well documented story a muslim some years ago posted here of a guy that had cancer and went to Saudi Arabia on hajj. According to the post the man drank what he called zam zam water if am not mistaken and was completely healed. The muslims used it as evidence of Allah's miracles that defy modern medicine.

Great.
Two things. The said man did not fall down headfirst 3 storey unscathed and did not claim to see Jesus.

What can you say about the atheist prifessor in the link I posted.

Atheists often promote themselves as intelligent, logical, scientific, rational, etc. They even had a proposal to call themselves ‘brights’! The aggressive ‘new Atheists’, such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and company, like to portray those of us who believe in a supernatural Creator as irrational, unscientific, unintelligent, ignorant, or even ‘needing help’ (Dawkins). The entertainment industry often reinforces these perceptions by portraying ‘religious’ people (Christians particularly, and especially church leaders) as buffoons or hillbillies (almost never as a university professor, for example).

Reality runs against these perceptions. Isaac Newton, the greatest scientific mind of all time, was a Christian believer, as were other founders of modern science. Surveys have consistently shown that people with a strong adherence to the Bible’s authority are the least likely to be superstitious, in contrast to the average de facto Atheist. Indeed, one Atheist expressed his chagrin that “some of the most intelligent and well-informed people” he knew were Christians.

There is much more to say. Atheists believe that everything came about by purely material processes—the universe, life, mind, and morality. However, do they have a rational, logical basis for this belief?

They actually believe in miracles without any reasonable cause for the miracles. That is, they believe in magic, or the occurrence of things without a sufficient cause. What we commonly call ‘magic’ is actually illusion. For example, a rabbit does not just appear from an empty hat; there has to be a logical physical explanation; a sufficient cause. Illusion needs an illusionist. Stuff does not happen without something to cause it to happen. Even young children understand this law of causation. Magic, where things ‘just happen’, is the stuff of fairytales—there is no such thing.

Here are five major examples of materialists believing in magic (and there are more), or miraculous events without any sufficient explanation or cause for those events.


[size=13pt]1. Origin of the Universe[/size]

Materialists (Atheists) once tried to believe that the universe was eternal, to erase the question of where it came from. The famous British Atheist Bertrand Russell, for example, took this position. However, this is not tenable. The progress of scientific knowledge about thermodynamics, for example, means that virtually everyone has been forced to acknowledge that the universe had a beginning, somewhere, sometime—the big bang idea acknowledges this (ideas like the multiverse only put the beginning more remotely, but do not get rid of the pesky problem).


The big bang attempts to explain the beginning of the universe. However, what did it begin from and what caused it to begin? Ultimately, it could not have come from a matter/energy source, the same sort of stuff as our universe, because that matter/energy should also be subject to the same physical laws, and therefore decay, and it would have had a beginning too, just further back in time.

So, it had to come from? Nothing! Nothing became everything with no cause whatsoever. Magic!

“The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere. How is that possible? Ask Alan Guth. His theory of inflation helps explain everything.”

So proclaimed the front cover of Discover magazine, April 2002.

Physicist Lawrence Krauss, one of the loud ‘new Atheists’, has tried to explain how everything came from nothing; he even wrote a book about it. However, his ‘nothing’ is a ‘quantum vacuum’, which is not actually nothing. Indeed, a matter/energy quantum something has exactly the same problem as eternal universes; it cannot have persisted for eternity in the past, so all their theorizing only applies after the universe (something) exists. Back to square one!

Materialists have no explanation for the origin of the universe, beyond ‘it happened because we are here!’ Magic: just like the rabbit out of the hat, but with the universe, a rather humungous ‘rabbit’! ‘Stuff happens!’
Materialists have no explanation for the origin of the universe, beyond ‘it happened because we are here!’

There are other aspects of the big bang, the ‘mainstream’ model of the universe’s origin, that are also miraculous. The ‘standard model’ has a period of very rapid expansion called ‘inflation’ (which Alan Guth, mentioned above, invented). There is no known cause for the initiation of this supposed expansion, no known cause for it to stop and no physical mechanism for the extremely rapid expansion (many orders of magnitude faster than the speed of light). However, these three associated miracles must have happened or the big bang does not work because of the ‘horizon problem’. More magic!

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). This is not magic, because God, who is eternal and omnipotent, is a sufficient cause for the universe. And He can exist out of time/eternally (and therefore has no beginning) because He is a non-material entity (God is spirit, as the Bible says in many places).



[size=13pt]2. Origin of stars[/size]

According to the big bang, the ‘only game in town’ to explain the origin of stars, there had to have been two phases of star formation. Phase 1 involved the formation of hydrogen/helium stars (which are called Population III stars). Here is the first problem: how do you get gases formed in a rapidly expanding primordial universe to coalesce together to form a critical mass so that there is sufficient gravitational attraction to attract more gas to grow a star? Gases don’t tend to come together; they disperse, especially where there is a huge amount of energy (heat). Hey presto! Cosmologists invented ‘dark matter’, which is invisible undetectable ‘stuff’ that just happens to generate a lot of gravitational attraction just where it is needed. More magic!


However, we have countless stars—like the sun—that are not just hydrogen and helium, but contain the heavier elements. Phase 2 supposedly comes in here. Exploding stars (supernovas) from phase 1 produced sufficient pressure to force hydrogen and helium together to make new stars that made all the heavier elements (which astronomers call ‘metals’), including the elements of which we are made. These stars are called Population I and II stars.

Now here is another problem: how do exploding stars, with matter flying at great speed in all directions, cause stars made of all those new elements to form? There has to be a coming together of the elements, not a flying apart. Pieces hitting one another would bounce off rather than coalesce. Most hypotheses involve multiple supernovas from phase 1 in close proximity, such that sufficient material collided together to form enough of a proto-star with sufficient gravity to overcome the tendency to fly apart and attract more matter and so grow a normal star. However, supernovas are not common events, especially multiple ones at the same time in close proximity. Thus, this scenario requires a huge number of very improbable events to account for the vast numbers of the heavier stars.

This is more magic; miracles without a miracle worker.

God made the sun and the stars on the fourth day of Creation Week. Again, this is not magic or superstition, because God is able to do such things.



[size=13pt]3. Origin of life[/size]

Astrobiologist Professor Paul Davies said,

“How did stupid atoms spontaneously write their own software … ? Nobody knows … there is no known law of physics able to create information from nothing.”

Not only must the DNA code be explained (how can a coded information storage system come about without intelligent design?), but the incredible machinery that reads the information and creates the components of life from that information has to be explained as well.

Former hard-nosed English Atheist philosopher Antony Flew abandoned Atheism/materialism because of the growing evidence for such design in living things. He said, “It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.”

This research,
“has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved”.

That is, only an incredibly intelligent designer could account for the information systems in living things.

Well-known American Atheist philosopher, Thomas Nagel said,
“What is lacking, to my knowledge, is a credible argument that the story [of cosmic evolution] has a nonnegligible probability of being true. There are two questions. First, given what is known about the chemical basis of biology and genetics, what is the likelihood that self-reproducing life forms should have come into existence spontaneously on the early earth, solely through the operation of the laws of physics and chemistry?”

The scientific knowledge of life grows daily, and as it does the prospects of a naturalistic (materialistic/atheistic) explanation for its origin recede into the distance. The origin of life is another miracle. ‘Stuff happens’? More magic.

The origin of life demands a super-intelligent cause, such as the Creator-God revealed in the Bible.



[size=13pt]4. Origin of the diversity of life (Design? What design?)[/size]

The origin of life is only the beginning of the problem for the materialist. Along with other atheistic biologists, Richard Dawkins has spent his life trying to deny that living things exhibit supernatural design. In the book that ‘put him on the map’, he wrote,

“Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.”

… how do you get gases formed in a rapidly expanding primordial universe to coalesce together?

The diversity of life is a huge problem. How did a microbe change itself into every living thing on earth, ranging from earwigs to elephants, from mites to mango trees? For almost a hundred years, mutations and natural selection, the mechanisms of ‘neo-Darwinism’, or ‘the modern synthesis’, have been said to explain this diversity of life. However, with our modern knowledge of living things, this has proved useless as an explanation.

In July 2008, 16 high profile evolutionists met, by invitation, in Altenburg, Austria. They had come because they realized that mutations and natural selection did not explain the diversity of life, and they had come together to discuss this crisis in evolutionary biology. The only consensus was that there is a major problem, a crisis.

Thomas Nagel (continuing from the earlier quote) put it this way:
“The second question is about the sources of variation in the evolutionary process that was set in motion once life began: In the available geological time since the first life forms appeared on earth, what is the likelihood that, as a result of physical accident, a sequence of viable genetic mutations should have occurred that was sufficient to permit natural selection to produce the organisms that actually exist?”

Think of the supposed origin of humans from a chimp-like ape in six million evolutionary years. Modern comparison of the genomes shows such large differences (of at least 20%) that this is just not feasible, even with highly unrealistic assumptions in favour of evolution. Actually, it was not even feasible when the difference was incorrectly trumpeted to be about 1%.

Materialists have no sufficient explanation (cause) for the diversity of life. There is a mind-boggling plethora of miracles here, not just one. Every basic type of life form is a miracle.

Genesis 1 tells us that God, the all-powerful, all-knowing Creator, made the various kinds of life to reproduce “after their kind”. Here is a sufficient cause, but even the description of the nature of living things to reproduce according to each kind has been confirmed with every witnessed reproductive event (billions of humans alone), and also in the fossil record where the transitional forms are missing and ‘living fossils’ testify to consistent reproduction ‘after their kind’ in thousands of species.



[size=13pt]5. Origin of mind and morality[/size]

The origin of mind and morality from energy and atoms has long been a problem for the materialist. It is a major theme of philosopher Thomas Nagel’s book, Mind and Cosmos, already referred to.

"A fig tree produces figs, not apples. That seems obvious. Likewise, physics and chemistry produce physical and chemical outcomes. However, mind and morality are not just matters of physics and chemistry. Sure, creatures that are physical and chemical have mind and morality, but how did such non-material things arise from the material?" This is a serious problem for materialism, and the Atheist Nagel candidly admits it, to the extreme annoyance of his atheistic colleagues.

The famous (and reluctant) convert from Atheism to Christianity, C.S. Lewis, put it well when he wrote,
“If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.”

The origin of life is only the beginning of the problem for the materialist.

The Atheist has no sufficient cause to explain the existence of mind and morality. Magic happens!

Why do apparently intelligent people resort to believing in magic—uncaused events—at so many points? By not believing in God they have put themselves into an irrational philosophical corner. Romans 1:21 in the Bible says that when people deny that the Creator-God exists, they end up with ‘futile thinking’. We have seen plenty of that in this article. Richard Lewontin admitted that (leaving God out of the picture), “We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs … ” (he confuses ‘science’ with materialism).

[size=13pt]Where to from here?[/size]

God made man “in His image”, a creature with a mind and morality (Genesis 1:27). As such, we are able to think about God and ‘know’ Him. That is the very reason for our existence. Isaiah 1:18 records God speaking to the people of Israel who had turned away from Him,

“Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.”

Trying to live life as if God does not exist is the ultimate rebellion (sin), and the ultimate folly. The good news is that God is in the forgiving business for those who will admit their error and seek Him:

“Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.” (Isaiah 55:6–7).

Jesus Christ came into the world to make possible our forgiveness; see Good news!


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AnonyNymous:
I wouldn't call it the religion of the poor more like the religion of the stupid
A guy recently spent $110 million dollars to build a replica of Noah's ark and prove the story true lmao. You can guess how it ended

is there any other system in the world with a charity as big as that of christianity. Do we have atheist orphanages, hospitals, foundations etc. Do you want me to post pictures of needless atheist structures

blueAgent:
The Bible says faith without work is dead. even if you remove religeon from Africans, they will still be poor.becos they are Selfish,greed,and mentally lazy.
Stop fooling yourself , Africans have lowIQ. their
problem is not religeon.
Which native intelligenece?
Haiti is rated one of the top 10 poorest countries
even after 200yrs of Independence and despite
having a religeon that is based on mostly
westAfrican traditional religeon.
Till today natives in parts of Papua New Guenia
still pratice Cannibalism, Human Sacrifice, and
idol worship.they have not been influenced by
Western religeon and culture, so why are they not
developed by now?
In East Africa. African traditional doctors request for body parts of Albinos inorder to make spell or charms for their Clients that will make them rich.is christainity also the cause.

Actually, before christianity was introduced to Nigeria and even Africa. Our indigenous religion was barbaric and bloody. Imagine the killing of twins, I heard a likely rumor that people are killed each day of the year in Ile-Ife for royal rituals. I heard of the Ajale incident in Ibadan where humans are kept beneath the earth to reproduce after which their body parts are sold. These have been going on for years. I read a news on BBC Africa about a man employed to disvirgin girls of a particular tribe when they come of age in a village in kenya or so. I know personally of yoruba cults which still kill babies and other humans. I have interacted personally with one of its sick members on his death bed.

Africa truly has a problem, and it is not religion. I do not think atheists are going to quit wrestling with the true God as the cause of Africas every problem anytime soon anyway. They seem too angrily fixated like their foreign counterparts to look beyond the true God, and look at the real problem.

If christianity was as atheists describe, USA, UK, Germany, Italy, Russia should be the poorest countries in the world. China should have a declining economy also as with the unstoppable rise of christianity in China.

You know we are true africans with the way some people think, and that in itself is not a bad thing.

ValentineMary:
Oga, Benny Hinn advices his members to give up worldy wealth that there is no use for it. Yet he earns millions monthly.

Benny Hinn is not Jesus.

Wilgrea7:
it is sheer madness for someone to choose to live a miserable life on earth without trying to change his/her situation. Christians like to pray all night nd do night vigil but they are still ignorant.. countries like china and japan and Malaysia aren't Christian nations.. I'll end with what one inspiring pastor said

“its not about praying all night and shouting hallelujah and a great thank u Jesus.. its about having an understanding as to how things work"

Traditionally contaminated christianity. Only in Nigeria do christians go to the mountains and neglect their works. Does the Bible encourage prayer without works

That is why christianity all over the world is different from christianity in Africa. We are still practicing christianity along with out African Traditional religious mindset.
We are deeply immersed in that system.

Traditionally contaminated christianity. Only in Nigeria are pastors expected to be poor. If a normal christian is rich, other christians start to suspect rituals and other illegalities.

Traditionally contaminated christianity.

ashjay001:
Personally, I live by "live and let live". I only question u, when u invade my space. I also dont condemn/disapprove of any form of worship, and only show disapproval or attack, if/when u start claiming a monopoly on godly worship!

I do not understand all you have written. Am i invading your space on a religion section

dalaman:
. This one is hilarious.

Of course, as long as it discredits christianity

Well, seun, Lennycool, Hopefullandlord and his 3 other monikers, LightandDarkness and co. could also come in here : https://www.nairaland.com/3409928/atheist-professor-bruce-grindal-witnesses and express their intellectual gymnastics. One of your people weah96 already did.

It would be interesting to see what the rest of you have to say.

Lennycool:
You asked for it
Let me start first by saying miracles do happen, in the sense that something improbable can happen but it does not mean it is God.

I dont know, but it doesn't mean it is God.
Of course, you have just demonstrated that you know. You know its not God, and that's the beginning of dishonesty.

Lennycool:
Her illness was related to the brain, doctors didn't know how to cure her she fell from a tree hit her head went unconscious and reemerged healed. Isn't it strange that she suffered some sort of head trauma before being healed? Wasn't the brain the cause of the disease in the first place, and again we see a classic case of Media control, how many people do you think suffer from this disease? And how many do you think gets cured? Did the media surround cases of Christians who had this disease and died? But when someone beats the odds all the media houses will pick it up. And those of you that think this is a proper substitute for limb regeneration are very wrong. The odds against her not being cured was never 99.9% I don't think any disease ever is, but when it comes to limb regeneration in humans it would be 99.9% because its close to impossible. So her case doesn't come close to limb regeneration.

The question that should bug your "non-biased" curious mind should be "How can a girl fall head first 30feet and survive without a scratch?. How can such a deadly fall mistakenly cure her of her illness?. Why did she insist that Jesus affirmed to her that she'll be okay?", amongst others...

No one said only christians get cured, this is a strawman. In my previous thread, i gave the reason why atheists challenges and breakthroughs may be similar to that of christians. Rain is good, it signifies fertility. It falls on the just and the unjust. My main point here is that "She claims to have seen Jesus who assured her that she'll get healed." This is key.
Many christians who had this disease and died may be in heaven, free of pain and sorrow just as this girl wanted, while you languish on earth trying to be the advocate of already saved people.

If you need a limb to regenerate, talk to God not to man. All power comes from God. While you are at it, remember that the Creator of the universe does not owe you the slightest explanation for why things are the way they are. As for me, artificial limbs are God's miraculous gift to man.
Jesus claimed to have a purpose for this girl in question (Anna Beam). If in 10 years time, she finds a cure to HIV and blesses the world with it. Then it will summarize another of God's miraculous gift to man even though atheists would try to separate her efforts from God's intervention. The facts remain, either atheists try to hijack science or not, God will continue to use man to reach out to man in diverse ways that would shame the devil.
I wonder why you request for another miracle after you've seen one. Even if you see the miracle you seek, it still wouldn't matter because you would look for just anything that would explain it away, and then seek another.
You may choose to humble yourself and revisit the evidence objectively or continue in your lost campaign on why God should not exist because you dont want Him to.

Lennycool:
Also miracles are ambiguous through out all religions and even irreligion,
I've already opened a thread about the Japanese guy that survived two nuclear bombs and radiation poisoning and still lived till 87.
There's also a miracle about an indian woman
Anita Moorjani who In 2006, after suffering cancer for almost four years, Anita’s organs started shutting down and she slipped into a deep coma. She was rushed to the hospital where she claims to have crossed into the afterlife during what she considers a Near Death Experience (NDE). Upon returning from her NDE, her body healed from the end-stage lymphoma within a matter of days and within months was completely cancer free. She claimed that in the NDE she saw her late father who advised her to return back as she did not want to go back. Anita has been cancer free since then and she is irreligious, she is not christian or Muslim or Hindu or anybody but she got a miraculous cure, as I even searched for her name there where angry Christians on the web wondering why an unbeliever was cured.

Once again, No one claimed that miracles are restricted to christianity. If anything, our claim is that God intervenes in the affairs of man for certain purposes. The saved humans may freely will to pursue these purposes or not.
Apostle paul was similar to Joseph stalin in his hatred for and murder of christians before God miraculously intervened in his life. He travelled far and wide just to stop the spread of the "myth" of Jesus Christ. He was not a christian and he still experienced a miracle. Why? For a reason christians are familiar with.
Many of the people whom Jesus healed in the Bible were not christians and yet they experienced miracles. Enough said.

You have changed the argument so that you can counter it

Lennycool:
For those of you that will doubt she even has a Wikipedia page and has written a Newyork times best seller
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Moorjani?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C1224604665
Also there is the case of a Moroccan Muslim woman
Layla Al Helw, who found out she had breast cancer nine years ago and was miraculous healed after praying with the Qur'an.
http://allaahuakbar.net/articles.php?id=422
http://www.google.co.in/search?q=This+is+a+true+story+of+Layla+Al+Helw,+a+Moroccan+woman+who+&gws_rd=cr&ei=CogUWLGKNuuF0wLU06XYDQ
Even atheist get healed
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rockbeyondbelief/2013/08/23/miraculous-healing-still-an-atheist/
Did Jesus heal the atheist and all these people? Miracles happen but they are not from GOD. The improbable can happen.

Lennycool out

You still have failed to prove that miracles are not from God. That is a serious claim you need to prove.
I'm convinced that God gives people second chances (miracles) just as quoted in the Bible "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion". What christians try to do is to position themselves for God's Word to be manifested in their lives. In my next thread, ill post the video of an atheist who died and saw Jesus. He was given a miraculous second chance and guess what? He was an atheist not a christian.
So are all christians guaranteed second chances, definately not. And I never claimed so until you changed the argument.

If you read the oP well, you will see that there are certain questions that the pastor and christy beam could not answer when asked by christy beam and anna beam respectively.
I will also not pretend to know why God heals everyone and not just christians. I guess i'm yet to fully understand the saying "God is Love".
Afterall, God is not only the God of christians, He is the God of creation.

Seun:
Anna Beam didn't die as the title claims. She experienced a spontaneous remission from a rare neurological disease that isn't yet fully understood after a weird accident that was caused by her parents' negligence. She got lucky; that's all.

She got lucky, then she dreamt that she saw Jesus and got healed. Interesting. Seun, I need you to tell me how possible it is for someone to fall from a 3 storey building headfirst, without a scratch.
If you want to bail yourself out of this one with examples of similar accidents, make sure they also didnt have scratches.

hopefulLandlord:
Chai!!!
just when everything is going smoothly with these deluded Christian apologists and they thinking they've sucker punched atheism
with this thread, even congratulating themselves and Winner01 feeling like terminator and Superman rolled into one
on comes Lennycool to ruin everything
for them
Christians should get this guy banned
report him
report him
report him

For days you were unusually dumbfounded and avoided this thread like a plague. Someone makes an attempt to explain it away and you come out of hiding to fan up the flames. I weep for your wife and kids.

LightandDarkness:
Reminds me of the boy who went to heaven and later admitted he lied about it. Wont be the first and certainly wont the the last http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/15/alex-malarkey-boy-who-came-back-from-heaven_n_6483432.html
In any case near death experiences are very common. They often reflect the religious, cultural etc beliefs of the person who experience them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Characteristics. Further to this point her description of jesus is most likely inaccurate (no one actually knows what Jesus looked like), experts believe he actually had black hair and looked like...http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/14/15/2F5E2BD100000578-0-image-a-67_1450108407720.jpg
Anyway as lennycool said the improbable does happen. Could hitting her head be responsible for her remission? maybe. Could it be God? maybe. But its interesting God needed her to fall from a tree and hit her head before she recovered (in before "god works in mysterious ways".
I still really want to see this limb growing miracle. That, at least, is an unambiguous miracle.

Several people may have lied about going to heaven for fame or any other thing. It still does not discredit the true stories that abound. Burpo colton claimed to see Jesus and his older sister whom he never knew about in heaven during his surgery. He described his parents exacts actions during the surgery and claimed he was out of his body.
Several other similar claims too.

I'm going to address the bolded in my next thread, ill like you to make your submissions.

You asked if it could be God, and answered "maybe". I dont think lennycool was cool enough to give God a thought. Same with all other atheists who have commented. Does something not seem wrong for people who claim to be open-minded just as TomHagen has rightfully highlighted .

God needed innocent Joseph to be sold into slavery, spend time in Jail before showing up. Its equally interesting. Maybe if God was man, it would be less interesting.

Finally I want you to know that God does not owe man anything. Not even an explanation for anything or even a testable miracle. Maybe if we requested to be created, maybe we would have a justification for questioning the works of our Creator.
I hope you find what you seek.

Lennycool:
Well praise God for you

You do know that many Nigerians are like me. The fact that you grew up in an ideology does not make the ideology right or wrong. The ideology has to be argued on other grounds to verify or diqualify its validity.

Lennycool:
So because I hadn't seen the page before you guys are claiming something, do you want me to finish this thread eh winner01 and the rest?

Yes please.

ValentineMary:
Now see what I am talking about @ bold text. The evidence for flying spaghetti is more than the evidence against. Just go around and see spaghetti lying around the streets. Surely they must have flown there.

Can we have picture evidence of sphaghetti in your street so that we can carefully analyse your claims.

The evidence for special creation cannot be ignored my brother.

dalaman:
Nice, at least you answered albeit not in an unequivocal way. Most christians just run away from the question.

Many Christians do not have the answer to many questions even about christianity. The mistake we make is to try to give answers even when we do not know the answer.

No one in this world can claim to have every answers to all the questions in the world.

The difference is that we are convinced that Jesus Christ existed, made serious claims and actions, ressurrected from the dead, was recorded by non-christian historians. and changed the world forever.

Jesus Christ is why you are talking to me, He is why you have argued here severally.

hahn:
And whosoever does not believe in him, despite lack of adequate proof of his/it's existence shall perish and not have everlasting life, abi?

There are consequences for what we believe and act.

If you fail to prepare for an exam because it is much more fun to party than to study. You will have to bear the consequences even though partying satisfies your natural wants.

John has given an answer, i dont see how difficult that is.

We have adequate proof and evidence around us. We have the freedom to accept or reject it.

Lennycool:
And I guess you also didn't live in an area populated by Christians?

Nigeria is populated by both christians and muslims if thats what you're asking. However I saw both as the same. I always saw christians as hypocritic people because many of them do exactly what christ preached against. Lets not even talk about Islam. I lived my life free from religion. I had some experiences and started to ask questions. This led me to examine the claims of the religions I could lay my hands on. I'm a verydifficult person to convince except that convinction comes from myself.

I made my personal research and it got me where I am today.

EyeHateGod:
Can you Imagine Someone That has Over 140 topic on Atheism Talking About Peace Is that Not Hypocrisy

I can write 200 topics on sports and paste them in the religion section.

The point is that im religious and im on a religion section. Why not find an atheist section, blog or forum where you can spread your hate. If you think you can dwell on a religion section to mock and ridicule religious people and not get a reply, then you're wrong.


I've put you on the same plane as otemanudunno. You do not deserve my time.

Lennycool:
So your parents were not Christians?

Initially No. They are christians now. I became a christian long after they became christians.

Lennycool:
Yes I was born into a Christian home as were you. I never chose to be a Christian and neither did you. And I was a Christian, I only talk about God so people will know there's another option. They'll know religion is not the only option.

Lol.
You dont know me bruh.
I was not brought up that way. My parents encouraged freedom of religion and so I lived mostly without any religious affiliation and devotion.

Its okay bro. Talk about God all your life. It doesnt matter to me.

akintom:
The God idea, though personified, it lacks any trace of good human attributes.

God idea, as described in the religious text, is HATRED personified (all forms of heinous atrocities known).

Those who created God, but conflicted themselves by claiming God created them, are the ones who wholly converge their HATES, in the God idea they created.

Love is inexistent in the character of the God idea.

OK.
lol.

ValentineMary:
Ur comment on NL shows u as less critical than u think u are.


If I look for anything even Unicorns, I would find it. I just have to deny counter evidence and reality.

I can say the same about your comments on NL. Your words dont matter much.

No one has found what does not exist. The evidence for God is much more compelling that the evidence against.
I have decided not to close my eyes to such reality. I downplayed that reality for several years, just like you.

ashjay001:
So, u really think, miracles are synonymous with christianity?

U really expect to give u examples? To prove what? Or, so u can convert to what?

Ur unbelief in my statement, who e help?

I made no such claims. When you make statements, you prove them. Thats all im asking. The kind of proof you ask from christians.

Lennycool:
You forgot I was a Christian, that life was miserable. You on the other hand have never been an atheist. I know what you feel now but you have no idea what i feel as an atheist.

No, you were born into a christian home. There is a difference.

I dont know what you feel now, but im sure its not peace. If it was peace, you wont spend a hugh chunk of your life talking about a God that does not exist. Its like you have problems forgetting your past. lmao.