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CeoMYN:
Can something exist without a cause?
I'm trying to understand the existence of God

If you did, would God still qualify as the Creator of this vast universe?

CeoMYN:
Funny. The fear of the unknown after death made him to covert.
Jehovah is not God if God existed.

Its not funny, its his reason.

Stop fighting.

CeoMYN:
The truth is God would never contradict himself. God is supreme!

Yes. God does not contradict Himself.

CeoMYN:
I read it with an open mind, it still didn't answer the question of how God came into existence. It also protrayed God as what not who, thereby contradicting the holy books.

Maybe you should try for the third time, very slowly and with an open mind.

The ex-atheist established that Time began with the universe and a pre-existing Being would exist outside the confines of time.
Such a Being is timeless or eternal (no beginning or end).
He potrayed God as a Who. I believe you should read it again.

CeoMYN:
Please a supreme being didn't inspire the scriptures. A supreme would never contradict itself.

Is that the truth or just what you want to believe?

CeoMYN:
With what I saw in the thread, it was quite personal. It shows the God question is what not who.

You should read it again, the ex-atheist established a case for a personal Being who has the ability to make personal decisions.
Read it again Sir, with an open mind.

4everGod:
Precisely! The shadow has no details, no colour, no glory, no life, no peculiarity......its just a moving mass that emerges as a diversion from that which is real and true and tries to garner attention through rigorous movements and gesticulations but the one who desires details will always ask to see the face of the shadow before accepting its directions and that is where God the substance differs from them all as with God there is love, hope, peace, joy, deliverance, mercy and all these are the substance that the shadow is devoid of.

God is good and Jesus is calling you Atheists to come out of your shadow and into his marvelous light.

True!!! Very true!

God is good. There is no good without God.
I love the way C.S Lewis puts it:
"God is not merely good, but goodness. Goodness is not merely divine but God"

Atheists reading this, no matter what you've done, God still loves you and His arms are wide open. Its never too late.

Anas09:
Very fine thank you. How ya side?

Good my sister, very good. And yours?

CeoMYN:
Okay, some didn't become atheists because they are angry but just that they see no evidence that God exists.

no evidence huh...

I wont talk about that, i believe this ex-atheist has touched a little part on the available evidence, enough to make you think.
https://www.nairaland.com/3314364/christian-family-atheism-jesus-christ



Besides anger, what else do you think could motivate one to spend his time on something he does not believe exists.

4everGod:
This piece resonates with a lot of Attheistd here whose depature and hatred for God is almost infantile in approach and caused by negative life events. Atheism helps absolutely nobody as its hollow, desperate, a cry for help, and inadvertently redundant.

The substance is God while Atheism is a shadow.

God bless you more and more my co-soldier winner01. The harvest is white.....

Amen. And you too my brother.

The substance is God while Atheism is a shadow.
hmmnn....
Thats why atheists cannot speak in coherence on what atheism really is.

The devil is just adeceiver.

Anas09:
Present sir

lol
How are you Sis?

CeoMYN:
Really? He just got angry when his son died and it wore off.

Many atheists here too will wear off their anger as time goes on, as maturity steps in.

Jesuobu:
Atheism never helps anyone. It's just what is called "spiritual blindness". Your body can see but your spirit is blind heading for destruction. You have the chance to come to Jesus before it's too late. Jesus loves you and will gladly welcome you.

That odd moment when pain graduates into pride and false confidence.

Lets see what psalm 10:3-4 says:
And the greedy man curses and spurns and even despises the Lord. The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God; nor inquire for Him; All his thoughts are, “There is no God.


God be praised forever.

4everGod:
Winner01 you have said it all. I also havent had time so much to post here as well. The world is eager to see the manifestation of the sons of God.

Lets not relent. Lets keep on declaring the goodness and love of God in accordance eith the scriptures and let the Holy Spirit do the conviction.

Since they are already contacting us offline lets in patience and love teach them and show God to them. They may curse and hate and campaign against God but we still Love them.

God bless you my able brother and co-soldier in the field.

God bless you too my brother. May God continually be with you.

4everGod:
Awesome! When a man is willing, God is also willing....Awesome thread bro. Didnt see it till now. God bless you winner01

God bless you too bro.

TheSixthSense:
Glory to God. There is nobody that genuinely looks for God that Jesus won't find.

True. Very true.

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The testimony of Nick Watts. Nick is the Music Minister at Bacon Heights Baptist Church in Lubbock.



I tried to disprove the existence of God, immediately after finding my 19-year-old son dead in his bedroom from suicide.


I looked at the most recent, most compelling evidence to make God sound like a ludicrous alternative. I looked at the best arguments from the best atheists, both in modern and
historical times. You must understand that I wanted desperately to know, in those first 48 hours after finding my son, that there was no God. God’s non-existence would have been made more sense to me than “a loving God who would allow my son to suffer so much from clinical depression that he would take his life.”


But atheism failed me. The words of the best, most intelligent atheists rang hollow. Their rebuttals and refutations against the existence of God were, in my opinion, incomplete, short-sighted, and at times, ludicrous. While the atheists scream loudly trying to speak for their evidence, the theists, in my opinion, simply step back and allow the evidence to speak for itself. For the arguments of theists were akin to the familiar statement: “You don’t need to defend a lion; you simply open the cage and allow him to defend himself.”


In the end of my investigation for a God-less universe, I found myself like Peter in John 6. (I tend to so resonate with Peter – impetuous, speaks before he thinks, reckless at times, etc., but always passionate.) By chapter 6 of John’s gospel account, Jesus has fed the thousands, healed the sick, and cast out demons. But now, he’s teaching the crowd what following him really means. The response is heartbreaking.
For most of them, it turns out, had no interest in following Jesus. They wanted the sizzle, but not the substance; the blessing, but not the commitment. In the words of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, they wanted grace that was “cheap” rather than “costly.” In short, they wanted an “A” in the course without
doing the homework. And, in verse 66, John records, “It was at this time many of those who followed Jesus turned away and deserted him.” Jesus then turned to the twelve and asked, “Are you going to leave me too?” Peter replied, “Lord, where else would we go? You have the words of eternal life.”


After trying as hard as I could to prove God was a fairy-tale, I found myself repeating those exact words stated by Peter, 20
centuries ago. Can I prove the existence of God in a laboratory? No. Frankly, I don’t want a God I can explain – the Incarnation, the Trinity, etc., are all inexplicable. A God
we can explain would be … well, more like a man than God; at best, a super-hero. But what I was reminded of following my son’s death was this: The evidence for the existence of a transcendent, outside-the-laws-of-physics, “wholly other” (as Soren Kierkagaard described him) is not merely
compelling, it’s overwhelming.


I cannot overstate how I felt in the moments immediately following finding my dead son: I Hated God. But, God – who we see in the person of Jesus Christ – held me. Even as
I fought to run away, he wouldn’t let go. The same love that drove Christ to the cross drove him to love me deeply, holding me tenderly in his arms. He was patient with me, allowing me time to scream at him, accuse him, and even hate him (all of these emotions, by the way, are found in the imprecatory psalms in our Bible).


Despite the best I could hurl at God, he never left me. Ever. He nursed me back to psychological and emotional health. And, in those early hours, when I began to investigate whether I had been wrong all my life about him, He didn’t punish me – he loved me. In the darkest moment of my life,
Jesus whispered to me, “I Am Here. I’ve got this. Trust Me.” I do, my King. Where else would I go? You have the words of eternal life.


To those of you trying to figure out life’s pain, know this: God is faithful; his Word is true. “He is close to the broken-hearted, and he saves those who are crushed in spirit” — Ps. 34:18; Jesus did exist, lived a sinless life, and died on a Roman cross. The tomb is still empty. And, that changes everything.



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Glory be to God in the Highest Amen, For his mercy and love endureth forever and ever. This is the Lord's doing and I celebrate with you. My prayer is that this message touches at least 2 people to bring then out of whatever darkness the devil is preparing to plunge them into.
I've also received private mails from frustrated people here on the religion section asking me why I strongly believe in God and do what I do, the answer is simple. PEACE belongs with the Prince of Peace. I've spoken and prayed with them and I believe that God will do a new thing in their lives.
Many people are sad, angry and frustrated and will find atheism very comforting. Some peoples lives are being destroyed by what they absorb on this section daily, its sad.
oP, thanks for posting this testimony, May God continually bless you.
I've not had so much time to post here for the past few days, I hope i can soon.

Ranchhoddas:
I was starting to wonder why the next thread was taking so long...

Been busy oo

Ranchhoddas:
How so? This is clearly at variance with the Genesis account.

You mean "Let there be light"!?

Ranchhoddas:
Since when?

The Big bang is a theory, I dont know if its true or not. I believe in the first Cause. Big bangers can call Him the cause of the big bang. You grab.

Ranchhoddas:
The heart is for pumping of blood8-)8-)

Materialism.
Not a reasonable stand i must say.

raphieMontella:
so u now believe in the big bang?

I believe in the cause of the big bang.

raphieMontella:
am glad you know...''past''
well welcome to the present.

Give examples of these present.

MrRichmond:
God can be thought to exist just by observing the law of cause and effect, everything must have an origin, but if God is the origin of all things then what is the origin of God.
This is where the problem lies, we cannot call it God if it had an origin, whatever sparked the Big Bang must be causeless, must have transcended all humanity's flaws, emotions and prejudice, this would make God devoid of personality as well and imo consequently beyond our reach of understanding.
If there is God indeed, we as a race are way too primitive to grasps what it should be like, the only thing we can infer is that God simply has a will to create evident by physical world. The how's and why's is beyond the reach of man, a primitive species who still struggles to conquer himself, not to talk of the creator.

They wont understand this, they are angry.

raphieMontella:
thank you!
kingebukasblog claimed higher logical abilities stems from theism..

It does, most of the greatest thinkers of the past were theists.

kingcity:
there is too many reason to doubt God existence....too many reason

The reasons to believe far outweigh the reasons to doubt. We can make a practical list of this reasons if you want.

Ranchhoddas:
You sir are advocating close-mindedness. If everyone were to guard their hearts the way you propose, do you think anyone would get converted from their first position of belief, or disbelief?

There is a difference between close mindedness and guarding your heart.
Close mindedness is a total restriction of new or foreign materials, Guarding your heart is a conscious decision on what stays in your heart.
No one can run from the internet, we can only decide what comes in to stay or leave.
But why would the Bible say that in the first place, how did it know the issues of life flows out right from the heart?

kingcity:
if you should take your time and reflect what atheist talk or argue about...you will see a lot of sense.....am beginning to think religion is a scam but am not concluding yet

The issues of your life is determined by the contents of your heart. There is a reason God warns us to guard it - with all diligence.

raphieMontella:
please can you tell us whats logical in a talking snake?

No. So what do you want me to do?

The Bible and its events reflect the supernatural.

plaetton:
That reality is better than delusions.

Which realities?