₦airaland Forum

obong:
they have nothing to do with it. Certainly not it's creation. It's like Africans claiming the Roman alphabets. Igbos didn't advance it in any respect. It grew from the ekpe society

From the very first page of this thread, credit was given to the Ekoi as the innovators of the system. It always amuses me when Akwa-Cross people get so worked up when Igbos discuss Nsibidi --- even after the Igbo have clearly stated that it was originally imported from outside Igboland.

Makes me wonder if Europeans get ticked off when Riverine men wear bowler hats as part of their culture. Or if Indians have a meltdown when we call 1,2,3 Arabic numerals. Even the Latin alphabet you are talking about was adopted by the Latin people (the Romans) from the Greeks with little improvements. You don't hear the Greeks crying and begging for credit. The credit is there in the history books; it is not going anywhere.

Nsibidi has been adopted and adapted into the fabric of Eastern Igbo culture for centuries now, and is part and parcel of Eastern Igbo heritage as much as it is yours. Find some way to live with that.

Argh.

Again.

Dear Diasporic Blacks, you cannot tell these things accurately by looking at someone's face.

Your grandfather's face could belong to an Igbo, a Nupe, could even belong to a Malian, a Kenyan or a Zambian.

I don't find this 'nye m mmiri' theory convincing. It sounds too much like folklore.

I have reasons to suspect that the word 'nyamiri' has an ugly history, even if present-day Hausa people are not aware of it and do not consider the word derogatory.

GloriaNinja:
THERE ARE SOME PARTS OF AFRICA THAT IS STILL UNCIVILIZED. SO I'M NOT AMAZED BY THIS.

What is "civilization" in your definition? Look at the rich beautiful colourful skirts they have on, and all the other evidence of a vibrant culture. Yet it only takes an uncovered breast to decide whether their society passes or fails the 'civilised' test, isn't it? Objectively, what is it about breasts that means uncovering them = uncivilised? Why isn't uncovered fingers or ears also a mark of "uncivilised"?

Is the Western country this picture below was taken also uncivilised, or does the rule about naked breasts only apply to Africans?

Ersan:
Please refrain from responding to this troll.

Advice taken.

annieruok:
I'm not west African you idiot, I'm Sahelian.

You people and your deep inferiority complex

What manner of troll-goat is this?

Name your country, let's see whether it's West African or not. Sahel and West Africa are not mutually exclusive - the bulk of the Sahel (not all of it, of course) is in West Africa. Even the countries you listed as Sahel are all West African countries, with the exception of Algeria and Chad. Did you skip Geography class, or did you skip getting an education alltogether?

Name your country.

If it's common knowledge that Nigerians are indeed Sahelians how come we are totally indifferent when it comes to you? Why is there no reciprocity if we're indeed the same and everyone knows that?

Are you a bot stuck on repeat or something? Your indifference is of no consequence as far as facts are concerned.

Wait, she can't even make a simple statement in her language (assuming she is even West African - which at this point looks very unlikely)? And she thinks she is the authority on who is Sahelian and who isn't?

Ignorant, troll, or both.

annieruok:
The desperation is too real. I don't have any inferiority complex so I will never give credit to what an European publication claim is the Sahel ( this has been the point of you and you buddy yet I"m the European one? too funny). Clearly, thinking your ugly asses are part of us give you extra confidence so go ahead if you must but I challenge you to go to one of our countries and say that you're our brother because Wikipedia says so... .

We having nothing in common with you yet you're dying to claim us. What's wrong with being Nigerian? What about your languages, you culture, your custom scream Sahelian? Do tell.

If it's understood by all that Nigeria is a Sahelian country how come there's no interest in your country when we discuss our politics and cultures? How come the few online publications we have (run by US, not some Nigerian or white poser) make no mention of you? Only Nigerians THINK they're Sahelians and that's too bad.

Go and get an education, child.

By the way, I am not Sahelian. I am from Southern Nigeria. Southern Nigerians are not Sahelians; and we do not feel the need to claim Sahelian. Why the hell should we?

But if you think the the people who live in the Northern Nigerian plains - people like the Fula, the Hausa, the Kanuri - are not as every bit Sahelian as their next-door neighbours in Niger and Chad, you are uneducated, very uneducated.

I don't care what political organisations you have that do not include Northern Nigerians - the Sahel is not a political entity; it is a geographical zone, pure and simple.

Did you ever think that Africa's colonial history and the separation of brother from brother by the colonial boundaries drawn by the Europeans accounts for these fictitious lines you've drawn up in your head about who is Sahelian and who isn't? No you haven't thought about that.

Do you think it is a coincidence that all the countries you recognise as Sahelian are Francophone?

The Francophone Hausa in Niger is Sahelian, but the Anglophone Hausa of Northern Nigeria is not, despite the fact that they share the same customs, follow the same religion, and live in the same geographical zone. The Francophone Fulani spread from Senegal to Mali are Sahelian, but the ones in the plains of Northern Nigeria are not? Kanuri sub-groups are in Niger and Chad; they are Sahelian there, but the ones in Borno State, Northeastern Nigeria are not?

Your world view is too, too narrow. Everything you know about Nigeria probably come from associating with Southern Nigerians, or watching Southern Nigerian films and music videos. If you knew the first thing about the far north of Nigeria you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself so. Go and get an education.

annieruok:
What a vulgar beast. No part of Nigeria belongs to the Sahel. Deal with that.

Actually you are the one that has to DEAL with the fact that the Nigerian North is part of the Sahel.

There are countless sources that will tell you that. But ignoramuses never cared about sources and facts, did they?

annieruok:
You must think you accomplished something here, don't you? There's nothing you can teach me about my people, clown.

Just know that Nigerians are not Sahelians. Stop the one sided obsession. THE END.

Stop spewing your ignorance all over the place and shut up; that way you learn! Who is obsessed with 'your people' (whoever your people are)? The far north of Nigeria is in the Sahel.

Typical of some ignorant Africans to try and make everything about ethnic/political pride. The Sahel is just a geographical region - not ethnic, not cultural, not political.

The transition zone between the Sahara in the north and the true Savanna in the south is the Sahel, period. The far north of Nigeria falls in this zone.

Are you sure you are even from this region at all? Any Sahelian that will come here and imply that Sokoto and Borno are not in the Sahel has probably never been in the Sahel.

Ersan:
Igbo, urhobo, doesnt matter. All you southerners are the same to me. Doesnt matter which name you go by.

My original point.

Ersan:
LMAO That reply was savage!!!! Really took him to the cleaners!

A insults X.

X insults B instead of A that insulted him.

X has not taken A to the cleaners. He hasn't even attacked A at all.

A is somewhere looking at his phone screen and laughing.

meelerh:
Hey mr go n ask him coz his the one seeing himself as a southern Igbo. Igbo is more predominant in the there that's why people say that likewise the north some can't even speak their own tribal language.

If he said he was southern Igbo (which I doubt he said - he probably said something else and you misunderstood) he was being mischievous, letting other people take the fall for his stupidity. An Oghene Kome is an Urhobo or an Isoko. The two tribes have names that are so similar it is not always easy to tell one from the other.

Not even the so-called South-South Igbos answer Oghene Kome.

And I am not a Mr.

meelerh:
We Nigerians cant live peacefully anymore without looking for trouble or bashing each other

The way this ethnic bigots are spreading hate all over social media is alarming. Can't help but think if all these wasted time is spent on something productive would they even remember we are of different tribes??

So Oghene Kome is an Igbo name? Northerners like to say that Southerners view all Northerners as Hausa, but you Northerners are just as ignorant.

1Sharon:
Theyve come again with the chest beating

This one follow for chest beating too? Is buying a wife something to be proud about?

YourNemesis:
lol sounds like a concocted fabu,lol. But even if it is true, I find it funny that an Igbo person would find it offensive that someone is calling him/them Biafra or Biafrans... lol. Isn't that what they want?
Bunch of confused peeps.

Certainly you know being of the same ethnicity doesn't mean having the same opinions and aspirations. You know there's a significant chunk of Igbos who don't buy the Biafra idea and get deeply offended when non-Igbos call them Biafrans, right?

Mccollins042:
if you do your maths you will find out that its more than possible cos if they lived an average of 88years it would amount to 3000years

So all the ezes started ruling from birth and ruled for 88 years? All of them?

Wow. Such an educator. This is insightful, sensei.

Emmydann:
mind u,,,,in kogi we do understand all d igala spoken,,,,,the twisting of d tongue could b different but not d spelling,,,,,,,,,,the igala bible used in a church in ankpa is still dsame used in ibaji,dekina and d rest part

Language standardization is the reason for the bible thing. I have met Igala people that told me Ibaji is hard for them to grab. It's not just the 'twisting of tongue'; words can be considerably different sometimes. In fact, on one Igala Forum I used to be a member of, some Igala people were even questioning why Ibaji should included in Igala at all.

Afam4eva:
Yeah, that's him.

Please, where are you from? I noticed you're well versed in different Nigerian cultures.

I am a potpourri of ethnicities, lol. In order not to complicate things, I just say I am a Port Harcourt girl, because that's where I was raised.

Afam4eva:
You're Arewa. be proud of it. What's the name of this late politician from Kabba that held an esteem position in Arewa. Can't remember his name.

Sunday Awoniyi?

One-time chairman of Arewa Consultative Forum.

You said 'Jewish scientists' but what I am reading there is about a rabbi and a 'ministries'. Very 'scientific'!

Please can we have direct quotes of what the 'scientists' said about the Igbo-Jewish DNA link.

Emmydann:
" kabe enable" is not a igala word at all except if ur igala is different from our own in kogi

Even the type of Igala spoken in Ibaji has differences from the one spoken in the interior of Kogi. How much more the type spoken by the Igala in Anambra? Dialects differ. I suspect 'Kabe inale' betrays some Igbo influence.

MEILYN:
I met someone from Anambra with that name. Please don't jump to conclusions.

Where in Anambra was the person from?

MEILYN:
This is a lovely thread, I must say I have learned a lot. I enjoyed reading from the beginning to the end.

I am an Igala boy from Olamaboro LGA of Kogi State. My surname is Idoko, I got curious when I saw Igbos bearing my surname, so I decided to do a research for myself.

Trust me, I relate well with Igbos. I have lived in Lagos all my life and I still don't have a youruba friend. I love Igbo food and people mistake me for an Igbo guy every time. Nobody needs to tell me that there's a connection between the Igalas and Igbos

The Igbos you met answering your surname must be Nsukka Igbos. That's the only part of Igboland that has Idoko, plus other Igala names like Onoja and Asadu (from Achadu), etc.

chrisxxx:
I am communicating with u isnt it? Are we communicating in Ibo Language? I have a believe as well that you may also have an English name. Do all these make u English?

This analogy is off, as far as my conversation with you on this thread is concerned. I thought we were talking about who copied from who --- did Igbo copy from Ikwerre or did Ikwerre copy from Igbo? I haven't said speaking an 'Igboid language' makes Ikwerre Igbo. Ergo, you are changing the topic, sir.


Let me summarise our conversation so far: Someone asks how come Ikwerre speaks like Igbo and bears Igbo names; you reply that it could have been the other way around, i.e., Igbo speaks like Ikwerre and bears Ikwerre names; I ask how could that be, given that Ikwerre came from Benin and should be speaking Bini and bearing Bini names. if a Bini man speaks like his non-Bini neighbour rather than like his Bini brothers, shouldn't the logical conclusion be that the Bini man is the one who copied from the non-Bini man, rather than postulating that the non-Bini neighbour learnt his non-Bini language from the Bini man?

That is my conversation with you. This English analogy is a digression.

chrisxxx:
I should ask u How did Igbos bear Ikwerre name and speak like the Ikwerres?

"How did Igbos bear Ikwerre name and speak like Ikwerres?" you ask.

Mind you, you just finished telling us that Ikwerre came from Benin, where people bear name like Osagie and Nosakhare and speak an Edoid language.

Ikwerre people today are not answering those names or speaking Edoid. Rather they now share names like Amaechi, Okechukwu, Amadi, etc with Igbos and speak very much like the Igbos. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the Ikwerre are the ones who are now bearing Igbo names and speaking like the Igbos, and not the other way around.

Unless you are now telling us that the Bini story is not true.

Abagworo:
I guess you are not Igbo hence your very limited knowledge. Can Ife people allow Modakeke to produce Ooni? This case is like Modakeke calling for rotation of Ooni between them and Ife since they live on same soil. It is equally like Igbos in Lagos asking for the next Oba to be an Igbo based on the fact that since they were born in Lagos they have equal rights in culture and Obaship of Lagos.

Okay. So you are saying an Ohu is merely a non-native of the land he finds himself in and nothing more?

ariesbull:
But kabba isn't Yoruba

What makes you say that?

Jcolston89:
I am from Mississippi. I wasnt looking for southern recognition.

He didn't mean Southern US. He meant Southern Nigeria. You look like a Southern Nigerian, that's what he was trying to say.

cheruv:

Very amazing indeed
Well having lived in Aba for quite a longtime, don't you think I've the right to claim to be from there
Too bad despite being a woman you don't know these things

Cire80 was right. He said you were going to twist this.

I have been on this forum long enough and have seen your comments long enough to know you have no connnection to Anioma. You are from Imo-Abia axis as your comments bear witness. You only started calling yourself Anioma on the other thread, much to my puzzlement because no be today I don dey see you for this forum.

You better go and start wiping your history, because when I have time i will start digging them up. Including one comment where you clearly insinuated that you are NOT from Delta.

cheruv:
As an ukwangwa I tend to agree with that idea but aside Biāfra, I don't think any other name appeals as much. Moreover I've noticed that the Anioma tend to be more comfortable with the Biāfra tag than the Igbo one.
What about using "Ola"(treasure) or "Igwe"(celestial/heavenly)

"As an UkwaNgwa." Amazing! I wish I had this power to change identity as I like. On this thread you're Ukwa-Ngwa. On the other thread you are Anioma. Brilliant!

Cire80
ehikwe22
gerg

Did you guys see this thread/comment?

(Oh, Ukwa-Ngwa is in Abia State... in case you guys aren't familiar with the term.)