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bigfrancis21:
You need not type out all that long story of yours. It is needless. You keep evading my question. I asked you,



Please answer this directly. This goes against your earlier claim and proves that THERE ARE INDEED NATIVE UBANI-BEARING NATIVES IN ABIA STATE. If there is anything you are taking home today, it is that.

Stop this silliness, please, I NEVER said Ubani and Nwaubani are not names in Abia State, you bleeding nitwit! I said Ubani does not derive from 'Wealth of the Land' - that is what I said. Get off the internet and find some intelligence-enhancing therapy.

Find an Ngwa/Ukwa man who is versed in his people's history and he will readily tell you that the Ubani names are an allusion to the Bonny/Opobo people (the Ibani Clan). That is the etymological source of the name; it has nothing to do with whatever Igbo etymology you want to pull from your ass.

If after this explanation you ask me this again, then you need to be put in a special needs school.

bigfrancis21:
How do you explain the preponderance of Ubani-bearing natives in Abia state, a supposedly southern Igbo axis, and not Ubala or Ubali as you earlier claimed?

Francis, you're not bright. No seriously, this is no longer a joke. If you can ask me this question after all that has been said by me on this matter, you are really not bright.

Let me take you through what has been said by you and by me on this Ubani issue, briefly.

You suggested that Ubani could mean 'wealth of the land'.

I said that is not possible; and I said that if the name means 'wealth of the land', then it would be Ubala or Ubali, given the fact that we are dealing with an axis of the Igbo-speaking world where 'land' is not 'ani' but ala/ala.

My point all along has been this: Ubani does not mean 'wealth of the land' as you suggested.

Now, you coming back to ask me why Ubani exists in southern Igboland and not Ubala, after what I have said on the matter, indicates to me that I may be chatting with a chipmunk who has learnt to use the internet.

Listen carefully again - Ubani does not mean wealth of land. Ubani is not an Igbo word. Ubani is an Igbo corruption of Ibani, which is the native name of an Ijaw clan in Rivers State

And please, what evidence is there to show that Chima Ubani actually hails from Anambra State? He worked in Anambra State, and that makes him Anambrarian? Do you know how many Ukwuani people work in the Anambra State Government, in Awka? Please, be wise. Post a link that mentions Chima Ubani's hometown.

Here's a significant fact. He was a Seventh Day Adventist. You probably won't understand why that is significant, but ChinenyeN will.

I do really think you are the one who needs to brush up their comprehension skills because I made my points and proved all of them.

No you are slow, and I don't intend that as an insult. You didn't prove anything that every Rivers/Abia man didn't know already.

bigfrancis21:
Thanks for defining native language for me even when you can barely put it into practice. You earlier claimed Okirikans do not speak Igbo when I earlier posited that PARTS of Okirika speak Igbo as native language. You were the one displaying your level of blissful ignorance on this thread. Now you suddenly realize that they are bilingual. Talking about someone who is 'notorious for shifting or amending your arguments when you are called out rather than admitting you are wrong'.

Listen carefully this time again: SOME PARTS of Okirika speak Igbo as native language. Oyind confirms Amadi Ama to be an example. What do you have to say about that?

I have evidence of these Igbo speaking Okirika towns. Before you start another round of your exuberant ignorant display, I said some towns, not all towns in Okirika. I'll let you run around in circles for a while then release the evidence. Kontinu!

More comprehension difficulties. I said Okirika don't use Igbo as a native language. If you say I said they don't speak Igbo, period, point me to where I said it. I await your evidence.

bigfrancis21:
Well, you claimed initially that there waa no 'ubani' in southern Igbo axis, which I proved you wrong. There are place names in Abia bearing Ubani, a market named Ubani and several Abia natives who bear Ubani as name.

ChinenyeN few years ago admitted that the name is common amongst his Ngwa people, where he hails. All these in the same Abia state. What then are you fussing about?

There are very few people I have met who have the kind of comprehension difficulties you have. You interpreted 'ubani' as 'wealth of land'; I told you that that interpretation is wrong, that you were importing an Anambra interpretation into an Abia/Ibani context. Now you come back and say that I said Ubani as a name or the name of a place doesn't exist in Abia State? Listen, If you don't brush up your comprehension skills, I'm going to stop bothering with you. I feel like I lose brain cells each time I debate you.

The fuss is that 'Ubani' is not a word that has a meaning in the Igbo language, but is an Igbo corruption of the word, Ibani. That is the fuss. Finish.

bigfrancis21:
Excuse me? Ubani is widely used all over Abia state. Words often have several meaning just as Akwa in Igbo means up to 5 different things. One immediate meaning of Ubani that comes to mind is 'wealth of the land' or 'wealth of the earth goddess, ani'. In Umuahia town, a supposedly southern Igbo area, they have a section of the town named 'Ubani', not 'Ubali' or 'Ubala' as you claimed in your joyful display of exuberant ignorance. Among the Ngwas, 'Ubani' is a common name in that area and Abia state as a whole.

Below is for someone who claims to be 'all-knowing' about Ubani and Bonny.

1. I repeat, if you see 'Ubani' in Imo/Abia axis, it cannot mean 'wealth of the land'. That was my original point, and I maintain it. It is irrelevant that you found settlements in Abia called Ubani. My point still stands.

2. Of course, as always, you've done a half-baked research and come up with an Ubani in Ibeku. But you haven't, nay, you CAN'T even do a little more research to see how an Ubani could have ended up in Ibeku. If you had you would have known that Ibani traders travelled up far into Abia State in the 19th century and even earlier during the palm-oil trade era. They established settlements in many places and were trading as far up as Umuahia. It is not impossible that Ubani-Ibeku was established in this way.

Read and educate yourself:

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=JXwPQKyE_YwC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=ubani+umuahia+Owerrinta&source=bl&ots=4fBNW4TRAl&sig=KTNolyBKsY8P_43dipv44ABfrJA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBGoVChMIzNbD-Kz3yAIVQToPCh1KvwXj#v=onepage&q=ubani%20umuahia%20Owerrinta&f=false

bigfrancis21:
Talking about someone who parades herself all over this forum basked in willful exuberant ignorance.

Hahahaha. Now listen, numskull. 'Some Okirikas are bilingual' is not the same thing as 'Some Okirika speak Igbo as a native language'. A native language is a language you learn from birth and that serves as the primary medium of communication within your native community'. Did that person also hear that Igbo forms the primary medium of their communication in their native village, or is it a language they have learnt to facilitate trade with people on the mainland? So a NLer says that 'he heard', and you put it up as if it is comfirmed fact. Very well, I heard that in some Ndoki villages they speak Annang as a native language. Please, put that up as fact, too. I have cousins living in Borokiri axis of Port Harcourt (which is the Okirika part of Port Harcourt) and I am now telling you again that no part of Okirika land speaks Igbo as their native language.There is a reason why I kept emphasizing 'native language'. If you want to talk about bilingualism for trade and other purposes, that is a different matter.

bigfrancis21:
Do not twist my words. Read carefully before jumping into conclusions. Parts of Okirika speak Igbo as native language. Don't be fooled by the denial some people spread on this forum. You claim to be be Niger Deltan and I tell you; visit Bonny town and Opobo to confirm things for yourself.

Bonny and Opobo may have been Ibani speaking before but since the 19th century the use of Ibani declined as the language of usage. Igbo language prevailed till today. Mind you, I never said these people were Igbos but Igbo-speaking.

Who doesn't know they practise Igbo customs such as Omugwo or the Nwaotam festival etc?

The Ibani speaking towns are neighbouring towns to Bonny such as Finima. Ibani is still spoken there. However, Bonny town proper is Igbo-speaking, same as Opobo and parts of Okirika. Hilda Dokubo is not an Okirika native to begin with. Don't twist my words. She is from Ogu/Bolo LGA Rivers state who speaks fluent Igbo and features in Igbo language movies.

In 2002, a failed attempt was made to Ibanize the people of Bonny. Why should you Ibanize a people if they are already Ibani speaking? Does it make sense to Igbonize Abia state when they are Igbo speaking?

Sources are plentiful on the internet that confirm Opobo and Bonny as native Igbo speakers. Just as I dared Omonnaignorance to provide evidence of the contrary, I dare you to come up with PUBLISHED evidence, albeit tiny whatsoever, that mentions these two towns as Ibani speaking natives, oh ye ignorant fellow.

What is wrong with Nigerians and being objective with the truth?

Who is twisting your words? You are notorious for shifting or amending your arguments when you are called out rather than admitting you are wrong. You said the Bonny people do not speak a word of Ijaw. You told an Ibani man to desist from including the Bonny among the people that speak Ibani. Apparently you thought Bonny consisted only of 'Bonny Town' and you were unaware that Finima and Abalama are also part and parcel of Bonny. Rather than admitting you didn't know this and moving on, you began to shift your debate and reaching for straws. Kontinu!

For the umpteenth time, stop embarrassing yourself: no part of Okirika speaks Igbo as a native language. I speak fluent Igbo; that doesn't make it my native language. No other person in my family even speaks it. Stop citing the example of Patience Jonathan. She isn't representative of Okirika people and their native language. I cited the example of Hilda Dokubo, a Kalabari woman who speaks fluently Igbo, to illustrate my point. Unfortunately, you aren't bright enough to understand why I brought her up, and you thought I was saying she is Okirika. I don't even know why I bother.

Really, Omugwo and Nwaotam are all you could come up with as Igbo customs practised in Bonny? Nwaotam isn't even an Igbo-wide practice. You should be able to do better than that, son. I was looking to see things like the cult of Amadioha, Ofo, the four market days, etc. Ngwa has Ekpe and Nsibidi - yet no one says they practise Ekoi customs like the rest of Ekoiland. In the Oguta area, they have Owu and Egbukele masquerades - yet no one says they practice Ijaw customs like the rest of Ijawland.

Give it a rest, you should have just kept quiet and not challenged an Ibani man for saying his people speak Ibani.

NB: Between me and you, I believe you are the one who needs to visit the Bonny settlements.

bigfrancis21:
I am amazed at your exuberant ignorance, worst still basking in that ignorance of yours. I dare you to visit Bonny and Opobo, do your research and come back with your findings.

https://www.nairaland.com/295535/average-opobo-indigene-speak-understand

You are not educated enough. What is that link supposed to prove? That Opobians speak Igbo? Who doesn't know that? I don't need a link to know that.

You said Ubani means 'wealth of the land' and that is what I'm disagreeing with. That is a lie informed by your ignorance. The variant of Igbo spoken by the Ibani does not translate 'land' as 'ani', but as 'ala'. So if Bonny people wanted to name their land 'wealth of the land', they would have called it 'Ubala' and not 'Ubani'. 'Ani' is not used by the Igbo people in contact with Ibani people, and the Ibani people couldn't have travelled to your Anambra village to get a name for their town.

Does your slow mind understand this?

nasoeb:
Bonny is coined from ubani an igbo phrase according to you. but in your usual igbo greedy way, you refused to tell the public that UBANI is coined from IBANI. and it is even in the evidence you presented. again you igbos should stop deceiving the public that igbos who came from the hinterland cock n bull story because no igbo came to bonny rather they were ALL CAPTURE AS SLAVES to Bonny.

He pulled that out of his ass. The Igbo people who are close to Bonny (Ndoki, Ngwa, etc) will not say 'Ubani', rather they will say 'Ubala' or 'Ubali'. So, Bonny jumped over Imo and Abia and went to Anambra to get their name?

'Ubani' is not even widely used in Igboland as a name as he claims. The name is limited largely to Ngwa/Ndoki axis, and they will readily tell you the name is connected to Bonny.

bigfrancis21:


Exclude the Bonnys and Opobos from your Ibani list please.

LWKMD! This bigfrancis21 will never stop putting his foot in his mouth! Why are you always making my husband's people look like jackasses with your incessant show of arrogant ignorance? Exclude Bonnys and Opobos from Ibani? Who then are the Ibanis, pray tell?

In as much as you love to claim them as Ijaws when they speak not a single word of Ijaw, at least be objective enough to admit the truth. Bonny, Opobo and parts of Okirika all speak Igbo as native language, practise Igbo customs and traditions just like others in the SE, Anioma etc.

The Bonny does not speak a word of Ijaw? Says who - Internet Professor Francis? Who then speak the Ibani variant of Ijaw? Is it your people in Anambra State that speak Ibani? Do you think Bonny begins and ends in the main island? Have you been to other Bonny villages like Finima, etc to find out the language they speak there?

Okirika speaks Igbo as a native language? There is nothing we won't hear from you, big Francis! Because Patience spoke Igbo, you have jumped to the conclusion that Okirikas speak Igbo as a native language. Well, Hilda Dokubo speaks fluent Igbo, so I guess Kalabari people also speak Igbo as a native language.

We are all waiting to hear from you the Igbo customs and practices the Bonnys and Opobos practise. Come and educate us, Internet Prof. Don't come and mention Nwaotam, because the Ibani only share that with one small Igbo-speaking clan, the Ndoki, who according to tradition are kin with the Ibani.

The first Igbo bible was written in Bonny Igbos. When the Christian missionaries first landed at Eastern Nigeria at Bonny, they used Bonny Igbo speakers as translators as they journeyed into the Igbo hinterland. Do not misrepresent facts.

This is common knowledge that has nothing to do with the fact that a native Ibani-Ijo language exists and is spoken. What you call Bonny Igbo is just the Ndoki dialect that the Ibani picked up and used in trading with the Igbo. Its use grew widespread and threatened but never displaced the native Ibani language of the people.

Please, don't forget, we want to learn of the Igbo customs practised by the Bonny people.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

I understand. After centuries of physical and mental oppression by another race, any race will spin fantastic tales to make them feel good about themselves. It is allowed. Cheers, people.

I don't understand. She wrote off an entire ethnic group because one man slapped her? Isn't that kinda very stupid?

cuteboy2:
Have you tried to visit the "Ile Ooduwa" to confirm?
Be careful so you don't insult a whole race of proud and culturally deep people. They are watching you.

How can you say the culture of the mighty Yoruba race is buried inside somebody's yansh

In any case, don't you know that Ife is the "Source". Or are you a learner?

Sorry. But the emboldened got me!

dned:
Serious...does he have to be a king while his father is alive. Meaning his father will be bowing to him. Its not fine with me...my opinion.

But did his father complain to you?

bigfrancis21:
Igbo culture did not survive in Brazil? Don't be ridiculous. Please do some research next time.




https://prezi.com/bfq9pehk2ewm/igbo-culture-vs-brazilian-culture/

Big Francis, are you serious? This is the 'evidence' you want to make your case with? Are you serious?

A post comparing Igbo and Afro-Brazilian cultures is just that - a comparison, and nothing more. I was hoping to read things like statistics of how many Igbo slaves ended up in Brazil. I was also thinking there would be something about specific Igbo religious and cultural practices that can be found in Brazil - the way specific Yoruba and Angolan practices can be found there. But your link shows nothing of the sort, and instead makes only lame comparisons. By the way, I can make the same exact comparisons that the writers of that piece made using any ethnic group in West and Central Africa.

Please, take down that link. It's too disgraceful, even for you.

We will never see the last of this picture, are we? Every other day someone makes a thread about it.

Akara is a Yoruba word.

Keep at it, Kanoro. Views will certainly pick up. Give it time. I like this.

Great!

When will you be uploading the first episode? Isn't it 'later tonight' yet?


[PS: The 'lady' trying to engage you in a back-and-forth is a legendary troll. You might want to save yourself the stress of typing back ]

SAMBARRY:


pele o my sister, for my nonsense this afternoon

God will provide me with a brain eventually, so that I will come to understand that:

1. Wulfruna is a female, and not a male, and so cannot be hating on Tonto because she married Churchill.

2. That me and Wulfruna are actually on the same side on this Tonto story.

3. That when Wulfruna said 'epically silly comment' she meant the fan's comment and not Tonto's reply.

4. That I have been so brainless to understand that her comment was towards the fan, and because of this I have been stupidly attacking her when there is really no reason for me to do so.

Amen.

Amen.

SAMBARRY:
I reiterate for the purpose of emphasis - I am a mannerless beast

And I hear you, brother.

SAMBARRY:
I am a manner less he goat

OK.

SAMBARRY:
Ask yourself and your fellow manner less and untrained kids

Hian! I don't know what your problem is, Oga. You quoted me and made a comment that I didn't understand. I asked for clarification politely and got an insult. Are you one of those people that log on here daily just to look for people to fight with? You did not see me.

Anyway, my initial comment that you quoted was directed at the fan - and not at Tonto. Now, kindly lay off.

SAMBARRY:
but the fan wasn't patronizing and stupid

smh

Uhm...what are you talking about, please?

So Cynthia made some good points.... But the grammar ( e.g, Lited) and the horrid use or misuse of punctuation was just jarring.

That was an epically stupid comment though.

People still make Abobaku jokes? Mehn, that has to be one of the most tired joke-stocks around here.

Yoruba movies lack creativity compared to the English-language movies?

Hahaha!

9jacrip:
I was surprised when I saw my fellow Yoruba twisting the event so as to place the blame on the Igbo; I wondered to myself, was Falae blind or what to have confused Fulani for Igbo? Or do they know better than the victim?

It is horrible, it has gotten offline but has not exploded into an open conflict yet.

Offline? Nawa oh!

I can only hope that like most former Igbo-Yoruba 'dramas', both parties will just exchange verbal bullets, and disperse when they are done.

9jacrip:
The hatred for the Igbo has eaten deep into some people's sense of judgement.

Honestly, I didn't know it was this bad until I saw comments people were making in the wake of Chief Falae's kidnapping.

9jacrip:
The Fulani are have slaughtered Yoruba in numbers and also destroyed their farms.

Igbo on the other hand engage Yoruba in verbal onslaught only with no physical harm carried out by either group.

I wonder why the Igbo should still be the problem.

Apparently, claiming that they run/own Lagos pisses people off more than attacking people's farms and killing 'em.

Maybe if Igbos stopped mouthing off and attack people on their farms instead, they won't be seen as a problem/threat anymore.

9jacrip:
Edited.

You're a muslim?

Oh, no.

I was only kidding.