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giles14:
very funny.
training has no Hand in the Iraqi war.
its was the coalitions share number n as usual embargo and sanctions

This is what I've been pointing out all these while.

I finally gave up because I've got more productive things to do.

ActivateKruger:
No dude, you deployed trainers that can't even do CAS, it's just a toy that drops free-fall bombs.

Let's do the math again. We can deploy

- 10 Gripens
- 10 Rooivalks
- 20 BAE Hawks

Now do you want me show how that rape.s the Nigerian airspace?

Can you afford it.....crickets...

Patchesagain:
You realize we used to operate 70+ Mirages right?

Holy sh1t bro, what are budgets and how do they work?

So you can't afford to train more pilots or can't keep more than 10 jets active because of costs?? Whichever one you like, just pick one

tdayof:
I haven't replied all through but I am forced to say you just typed shiit.


Your air combat capabilities are limited to the Gripen multi-role fighter and the Rooivalk combat support helicopter although in insufficient number to allow regional deployments while maintaining national air security and current training commitments.
Nigerian Airforce has deployed to Gambia while fighting BHT.

We didn't deploy just Helos we deployed jets.

F##k me.... Geez!!!

One of the first Gripen pilots, SAAF's Lieutenant Colonel Musa Mbhokota, as at 2016 after 10 years has 2000 hours in total.. Which means less than 2000 actually because he's flown other platforms. This translates to less than 200 hours per year!!!



I'm actually done responding, it's a waste of time.

ActivateKruger:
Enough to rap.e the Nigerian airspace with no response from the NAF.

Cool story mate... I bet you love cartoons too.

Let's take this somewhere else, the dick measuring contest is derailing the thread. And when we do, please debate your points with facts not fantasies.

I'm out

Patchesagain:
Aaand you have how many 4th gen platforms operational?

What is that? None you say?

Come now, lets cut this sh1t out. Its unproductive.

Owning and using are two distinct things. I wouldn't take an airforce that have struggled to exceed having 10 pilots after more than 10 years of owning a platform serious.

I'm left wondering what you guys do? Wake up each morning, get dressed, drive for some miles to go admire the Gripens parked in an hanger somewhere and go back to your dorms.. I'm sure you've got gripen models on you car dashboards eh?

ActivateKruger:
6 Gripen pilots?

I guess we have invented a robot Gripen that flies on its own, it's a world's first.

No it's 10 pilots, let's stick with facts here

ActivateKruger:
It still doesn't change the fact that the SAAF has more experience and better training than the NAF. We shouldn't even be comparing, we're in different leagues.

Now you're retracting your words about training trumping experience. I should say we are making progress.

SAAF has more experience you say? Prove it.
You haven't given me instances where you restored democracy in your own, and I'm not talking of Peace keeping missions or sneak attacks on retreating armies... I need something like the exploits in Liberia.... A note of caution... The Internet never forgets

Did anyone sell a car?

ActivateKruger:
What are you talking about?


The Iraqi Airforce was a well oiled with Soviet aircrafts. They fielded :

- MiG-23 Flogger
- MiG-25 Foxbat (no fighter compares in raw power)
- MiG-29 Fulkrum (which the USAF feared)

Then on top they had all the experience, home ground advantage... The better trained Americans rolled over them. Iraq had no reason to loose but their terrible training despite their years of fighting experience.

Now you're contradicting yourself, just knock it off already.
I bet you would say the Iraqis have more experience than the Yanks?

Experience is not indeginous it's gained from being involved in actual wars.. A theoretical driver with the best training still needs to understand the driving culture of his/her city...training alone doesn't cut it, if it did the yanks would've kicked some asses in Japan... They needed the A-bomb to end the war.

ActivateKruger:
Experience? The Iraqi Airforce and Army had tons of experience fighting Iran... The US boys had zero war experience, but they rolled over Iraq - it's called Operation Desert Storm, go check it out.

Good training surpasses experience.


As for NAF experience, it's nothing more than dropping a handful free fall bombs, no CAS, nothing even Botswana wouldn't do.

Really? are we going to do this all over?

The US have always had countless experiences since the turn of the century. From the civil wars to the world wars, you can't wave that off just to win an argument.

When Botswana have had to scramble A-jets (not designed for CAS) within short notice, with the pilot getting injured from AA guns in the process, but still manages to complete his mission...when SAAF have participated and won a single war (not against its own people)...when SADF have managed to restore democracy to one nation while supporting with over $10billion....Then we can have this discussion....till then i say the SAAF achievements are nothing even Chad wouldn't do. (anyone can perform excercises)

ssaengine:
You clearly went ahead and watched a few war movies before giving this reply. Was it to give you that patriotic feeling? Now let me bring you crashing right back down to reality. This topic was about SAAF and NAF....i see you sneakishly trying to talk about war in general. Come eat your NAF medicine 1st.

1. Name one single aspect of flight, targetting, planning that Nigerian pilots are better equipped in than South African pilots. YOU WILL NOT FIND A SINGLE ONE. That is a fact. Accept it. Simple.

2. No. If you train as you fight. There is absolutely zero difference TECHNICALLY (list of items which need to be performed) between dropping ordinance on a target in training or a real target, PARTICULARLY if that target has no heavy ground based anti aircraft systems. There are heaps of videos at Denel Dynamics and especially Overberg Test Range of actual SAAF training excercises (not airshow pics). When A-Darter was going through finals, SAAF officers were here almost monthly....so I am well aware of SAAF capabilites.

3. No...NAF is not well equipped at all to defend it's people. I'll repeat. At ALL. When Boko Haram was driving around in tanks, can you believe it....TANKS...on your own home soil....why were they not taken out within 48 hours? You had the jets, the pilots, the bombs, co-ords. So why weeks and weeks? Months?

Nigerian skies are an open sky for any adversary with decent aircraft and pilots.

Here we go again with the bickering and emotional posts and I find my self typing a rebuttal not out of angst but to put certain things in perspective.

1. Except you're part of the NAF HQ, you can't boldly make statements like this without proofs or citing a source. Flight planning and targeting is a broad area where constant adaptations are made to adjust to specific threats being faced by a nation.. This cuts across both rotary and fixed winged assets.. Your statement of "facts" I should say is subjective at best


2. Training and real-life scenarios are two different things especially if you're dealing with a non conventional adversary like the BHT. They source most of their assets through the black markets and there are edge-cases where you most likely do not know what they have in inventory with regards to man pads and the likes. As a pilot, you have to adapt to the new situation.. There are multiple examples where training alone doesn't prepare you for what to expect, a sudden change in dynamics might throw you off your planned trajectory, this is without taking into consideration the possibility of failing equipment as result of being pushed beyond limits. If training and combat situations are one and the same, you wouldn't have cases of the US vets coming back from war zones with PTSD.

3. When BHT was driving around in tanks like you pointed out, there wasn't the political will to tackle the situation. Was it a bad experience? Yes it was.. Did we learn from it? Look at the results and the current status of the conflict, where the BHTs ability to make such attacks have been destroyed. The NAF, NN have over the years stated that they, are equipped adequately for the immediate threats around them. The word "well equiped" is a subjective one which becomes irrelevent if the ratio is outmatched by the adversary. A French vs southafrican conflict for example is a mismatch while the French vs Algeria matchup is an evenly matched situation. Another point to note is that equipments while important are not entirely the only factor which determines how prepared a country is, if it was the Saudis would've won in yemen.

At the bolded, you do not need a sandhurst training nor do you need to be tutored by Napoleon himself to understand these things, it's just common sense. You could have stated your points without being emotional about it, you don't necessarily need to agree with everyone's point of view. Attacking a person's intellect by making snide remarks is childish and doesn't show superiority.

Nemo judex in causa sua
Nemo debet esse judex in propria causa

April10:
Why is Mrs Osinbajo kneeling down? Or am I the only one seeing the reflection in the mirror? Welcome bak sir and thank Osinbajovery well, he did a very good job while you were away.........

Is Buhari's ADC kneeling too?

They are all standing, it's the angle at which the picture was taken.

Greenbuoy:
Hello guys! Great job you guys been doing out here! I YUSU YANSH TOH TROWAY SALUTU OOO.
Forgive me in advance for I'm about to go offtopic.
Sir Atiku was at my school earlier today and in his security detail were guys that looked like DSS operatives. There were camou guys too.
Now I ask, on what ground is the man entitled to such a high-calibre security from the state considering the fact that he currently holds no public post?

Former VP... Maybe?

deflover:
Yes he did it
But it was sustainable because he had more sales from oil and the economy was growing by an average of 2.5% yearly
So we didn't notice it
The question here
Is the economy growing that osinbanjo can take this path

@OP, for the sake of the discussion on the points raised, it seems you lack the locus standi to speculate on what happens next with the Naira's value in the nearest future. I came to this conclusion based on your cited sources. The fact that JP Morgan made a comment about the FDI being on the decline is not fact without you stating the period under review, for which the prediction was made. The Trump's administration and its knee jerk reaction, the UK Brexit are some of the reasons that investors are still hesitant to part with funds without knowing what happens next.

If you read the CBN's press release you would have seen that the manufacturing sector is being catered for as well, the policy about the school payments is to address the stress on the Naira from the larger percentage of people that would normally source forex through the black markets. Citing Arise TV as your source of information about the shrinking economy give you away as a neophyte in the forex world.

Current indices point at a recovering economy from the Nigerian point of view. The dollar bonds was recently over subscribed, production of crude oil is being ramped up to go beyond the current 2.1million bpd, on the heels of the price of the crude going up beyond the budget benchmark, as OPEC members are sticking to their quotas. The foreign reserve is on an upward trajectory and the CBN has a lot of cash to play with.

Why should people hold on to dollars when it's not looking promising in the next couple of weeks?

I'll tell you what will happen. The CBN's intervention will drive Naira to 400 to the green back, and hoarders like you with money tied down will panick and start offloading while they still can, which will in turn drive the rates to hover around the 360 mark before stabilising at around 355.

Well I'm not in a position to judge, but ending your write up with the suggestions that people should hoard the greenback, is the worst possible way to go for any sane person. If you think anyone can take on the state backed CBN, then I wish good luck (no pun intended)

TheEminentLaity:
Branding the Vice President/Acting Vice President a failure 'The Failure called Prof Yemi Osibanjo' is very insulting and tells more about you than it would ever him. What and how did you (who are you again? Yes very insignificant) arrive at that?
Good etiquette to live by is never to say/write anything you won't be able to say to the person's face.

Like I posited earlier on, finesse and basic ethics has no place in the minds of stooges like him. As long as it serves their mischievous conflagrate aims, they care not about how ethical it feels.

To sleek over his misleading reposte, he had to use a denigrating picture of the VP, while at same time try to sound objective in his write up.

PapaBrowne:
Buhari's philosophy.
And this simply means that everybody working under Buhari would have to act in line with Buhari's philosophy.

Price controls. Currency controls. Use of Force. Threaten your opponents. Kill all dissenting voices. That is Buhari.
If you like be in charge of the economic team, you have no choice but to work within these limits.

In your workplace, it matters little what you believe. You are mandated to do things in line with the bosses philosophy.

I admire your integrity and patience. I say this because I know that educating a stooge paid to do a hatchet job is not an easy task. Something as easy as workplace politics is too complex for their simple minds to decipher.

How in this world do you blame a VP for the shortcomings of an administration in a country like Nigeria? Where the VP's position is classified a honorary role and the key decisions are still made by the President. Does the name Turai ring a bell?

Odunayaw:
or refurbished

Don't think so... Why move the CIWS inland when the german team would likely be in Germany? And refurbishment wouldn't require removing the parts most of the time..dry docking the ship would be the first step... I might be wrong though.

I normally wouldn't interfere with bickering, but I honestly feel everyone should take a chill pill and relax.. Henry240's reaction I noted is based on the tone of the criticism. It felt like it's coming from a place of arrogance.

No matter how valid your point is, if the presentation is wrong, the message wouldn't be accepted.

Its not like the product was presented at IDEX or something, the product shown is a prototype and no where was it stated that this is the variant being deployed.. I feel if the critics were constructive with their observations, we wouldn't get to this point.

Demeaning the product with the use of words like "go kart" because the argument doesn't go the way you want is a knee-jerk juvenile reaction best regarded as throwing tantrums.

My two cents anyway...

Dedetwo:
The ones their parts and other fabricated materials were shipped from Sri Lanka? Nigeria is actually the home of dunces. Who gives a hoot about Nigerian classification? There is more than NNS to Vessel classification, clown. No wonder the cesspit can never develop.

And the underdeveloped cesspit has the highest GDP in Africa. You can suck on that, dolt

Young03:
nonsense , which one he come use de post for Twitter

Why do you think he posts on Twitter with a phone when you can perform the same task with a computer or an ipad.?

iamord:
lol..you see...its good to dream... however some dreams should be left in dream land... america being superpower today was not by wishful thinking but a calculated and coordinated plan to stay in power not for decades but centuries,we are yet to have matured democracy, our culture economy and defense is so porous.. let me not talk of technology! we should concentrate on fighting our enemies within.. thinking we are capable is too far fetched, a prank a witty boy in the school of life should not play.

Somtimes, war is not about economy or about democracy, it's about guts and doggedness. We cannot shy away from the problems with africa as a continent, but north Korea for example has no semblance of democracy and they also have one of the worse economic environments in the world. But any super power will think twice before invading them, and it's not about wishful thinking either.

Lets not derail this thread but move to the international thread or the strongest military thread for more discussions on this.

https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/2951#50754193

tdayof:
Africa air defence systems are kind of not too strong except for Algeria. I don't know much about SA ADS. I'll be happy if anyone can post pictures of SA ADS and capability.

Moreover, US navy will give us a very hard time on her own.

SA ADS, no matter how penetrable it might be would be considerably better than the Vietnamese setup which shot down considerable amount of B52s in the 70s. Like I said earlier, defnding is easier than attacking. Saddam Hussain with a fraction of the collective inventories of african countries kicked uncle Sam's butt when they came to his home turf.

The US navy berthed around any African coast is a sitting duck if overwhelmed by multiple attacks from surface, and sub sea adversaries.

tdayof:
lol bro, I. However don't think Africa is capable of defending herself.
I saw a topic on quora which says can all Africa countries defend against US attack?

All answered I saw were no.

I think to some extent, Africa can effectively defend itself from the US if there's an attack.

Apart from the subs which would be approximately around 10 all together, the Airforce of countries like Egypt, Algeria, Morroco, Tunisia, Angola, Sudan, South Africa, Namibia, Nigeria, Uganda with an array of Sukhois, Rafales, F16s, Northtrop F5s, Chengdu F7 interceptors, JF-17s and so on, will give America a run for its money.

The population would also play a major role when it comes to ground ops, as well as the air defence of these countries.

It is sometimes easier to defend than attack.

Techrobin:
When you have the money,spending it is not an issue.For some Apple Fans,Going for the lastest model is a do or die thing

Not everyone, I had the 6 for two years before picking up the 7 on Friday. Although I only use apple products, I'm logical about upgrades.

Idiot aminu umar again

This aminu guy Na idiot

These are the new SF operative.

ChangeIsCostant:
The Regiment Training Centre (RTC) over the weekend graduated 4 batches of trainees comprising 209 students who successfully completed different regiment training organised by the Centre in collaboration with the British Military Advisory Training Team (BMATT).
The latest courses include Basic Regiment Officers’ Course and Basic Regiment Airmen/Airwomen Course, both of which are designed to expose participants to theoretical and practical training in Force Protection, Weapon Handling, and Marksmanship. Others are Rigger Course for Paratrooper Instructors, and Rappelling Course specifically conducted for members of the Defence Special Force.
Speaking at the combined graduation ceremony, the Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar urged the graduands to continue to exhibit the expertise acquired during the training and to take advantage of the wide range of opportunities offered by the NAF to continuously sharpen their skills and knowledge in order to be adequately prepared to meet any challenge.
The CAS thanked the British Government for her support to Nigeria towards fighting insurgency and other internal security challenges in the country, noting that the partnership with BMATT has continued to add value to RTC, and thus expressed the desire for greater collaboration in other areas.
Source; http://www.nationalhelm.net/2016/07/british-military-officers-present-as.html

OKDnigeria:
I will like to see ur correction...

Your first assignment:

Discard words like "dan","ur" in your submissions. It's juvenile and irresponsible for an adult to include these words in a logical discussion.

Great

Missy89:
That is actually very different from what is being discussed. The FBI is probably the more relevant agency in this case. The agency can gather information about foreign corruption in in several countries but not the US. besides, they cant enforce anything.

It's the same ma'am. Although it might involve inter agency collaboration,but the initial stages of investigation would be carried out by the CIA because of the involvement of a foreign country which is the origin of the stolen funds. As far as the feds are concerned he's just a business man. They can only investigate him if he's involved with illicit dealings within the US, but prior to this, they need Intel or tip-off from the CIA. After which they would take over.

Missy89:
First, The CIA doesn't not deal with this kind of issues. But i do agree with you, the injunction is probably more useful in Europe.

They do sis, it falls under foreign corruption because the source of funds is a foreign country. I might be wrong though.

Check out the job description on this page on their website

https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/analytical/economic-analyst.html

Economic analysts may also assess illicit financial activities, including terrorist and criminal networks, money laundering, or foreign corruption