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If some conscious part of a
man survives the death of the
body, then how is it that
according to the Bible, the
dead know nothing? This verse
is in harmony with what we
have learned so far; that man
as a living soul ceases to exist
at death. Faced with such a
clear teaching as to the state
of the dead, it is no surprise
that commentators will go to
great lengths to show that the
verse does not really mean
what it so clearly states.
An example of this can be
found once again in the Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible.
Commenting on Ecclesiastes
9:5 Dake says:
'This is true so far as
the body is concerned.
They do not know
anything, and they are
not conscious in the
least, for they came
from dust, and return
to dust; but the souls
and spirits of all men
are immortal and
continue in a full
state of consciousness
between death and
the resurrection of
their bodies...' pg. 673,
col. 4
There is nothing in the text
that even remotely allows for
such a conclusion. Presented
with a plain statement that
the dead 'know not anything',
Dake makes a liar out of God
and insists that part of the
man doesn't know anything,
but part of him (the real man
in their view) still does.
The respected creationist
author Henry M. Morris, in
his Defender's Study Bible has
this to say concerning
Ecclesiastes 9:5:
'This does not mean
that there is no future
life or consciousness
after death, but only
that nothing more can
be done to earn
heavenly rewards...'
pg. 708
We have to ask; What is it in
Ecclesiastes 9:5 that causes
men such as Dake and Morris
to state the exact opposite of
what the text says? Clearly
this text will not square easily
with the teaching that men
are conscious after death.
Passages such as this are often
ignored by proponents of the
immortal soul theory but
why?
We can observe the same
pattern when considering
Psalms 6:5
For in death
there is no
remembrance of
thee: in the
grave who shall
give thee
thanks? Ps 6:5
If in death there is no
remembrance of God, then
how can someone be in
conscious existence with God?
Dake however, once again
insists that a person can:
'Death claims only the
body, not the soul and
spirit which are
immortal. It is true
that dead bodies do
not remember God,
but the soul and spirit
are not dust and
continue in
consciousness after
death to the body.'
ibid. pg. 550 col. 4
In direct contradiction to
God's statement to Adam that
'Dust thou art', Dake insists
that only the body is meant,
and man goes on living. The
fallacy of his comments on
Psalm 6:5 should be obvious,
for if only the body is meant,
then the verse is unnecessary,
and entirely without meaning.
It is obvious that dead bodies
do not give God thanks. The
thought of the verse is than in
death, men can not, and do
not remember God or give
him thanks.

Behold, all souls
are mine; as the
soul (heb.
Nephesh) of the
father, so also
the soul of the
son is mine: the
soul (Heb
Nephesh) that
sinneth, it shall
die. Ezek 18:4
Note very carefully that there
is nothing in this text that
warrants giving the word 'soul'
an alternate meaning from the
way it is used elsewhere in the
Hebrew text. The passage,
being neither symbolic nor
allegorical, makes a direct
statement that the soul dies.
From this, any reasonable
person should be able to
conclude that if the soul can
in fact die, then surely it can
not be immortal.
But someone is sure to say,
'Well, he wasn't speaking of
the invisible, immortal soul
here, but just that the person
died.' But that is the whole
point. When you use 'soul' to
mean an invisible, immortal,
part of a man, you use the
word in a way the Bible never
does. No matter how you
choose to interpret the verse,
no one can reasonably suggest
that the 'soul' in this passage
is immortal, because the soul
that sins dies.
To me it seems very puzzling
that anyone could teach that
the soul is immortal when the
Bible is very clear that no one
is immortal except God
himself. You will search the
Bible in vain for the phrase
'immortal soul', and as we will
show, it is only by reading a
preconceived idea back into
the text that such a teaching
can be manufactured
CO
EXISTENCE
BEYOND DEATH?
The teaching of the immortal
soul declares that every man
has a conscious continuous
existence after the death of
the body. Most Christians
assume that this is clearly
taught in the Bible, but
careful study shows exactly
the opposite. The passages
which teach that no part of
man is immortal and that
death is unconscious
nonexistence are clear and
plentiful. On the other hand,
the teaching of the immortal
soul relies on a few proof-
texts which are never explicit
in teaching this doctrine. Let's
examine some of the clear
statements of scripture
regarding the state of the
dead.
For the living know that they
shall die: but the dead know
not any thing, neither have
they any more a reward; for
the memory of them is
forgotten. Eccl 9:5
If some conscious part of a
man survives the death of the
body, then how is it that
according to the Bible, the
dead know nothing? This verse
is in harmony with what we
have learned so far; that man
as a living soul ceases to exist
at death. Faced with such a
clear teaching as to the state
of the dead, it is no surprise
that commentators will go to
great lengths to show that the
verse does not really mean
what it so clearly states.
An example of this can be
found once again in the Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible.
Commenting on Ecclesiastes
9:5 Dake says:

D sage: Soul is life and could be exist independence of the body. Our soul is our ideal world which is partly remain with us when sleeping and finally goes off at death.

Spirit is external forces,guiding or influence our existence. Unlike soul, spirit manifested or working in many forms/ways. Emotions, Love, sorrow,anger, phobia etc are all spirit. Spirit is universal causation.

I may be wrong though.

you are wrong man. the soul cannot exist idependent of the body. the SOUL dies.

let me bring some biblical proves

inurmind: Yeah, that's why Muslims kill people who do not practise their faith and its said in the bible that you cannot go to heaven except through Jesus.
Makes perfect sense now.

not just that also thats why religion goes against religion claiming one serves the true god and the other does not.

ANOTHER CONTRACDICTION
Question:
Can a Muslim man marry a
Christian or a Jew? Please explain. -
Sheikh Tahir

Answer:
It is permissible for a Muslim man
to marry a woman from the People
of the Book (i.e. the Jews and the
Christians), only if they fulfill
certain criteria. Allah (swt) says:
“And (Lawful in marriage are)
chaste women from among the
believers and chaste women from
among those who were given the
Scripture before you…”
[Surah Al-Maidah 5:5]


Based on the above verse, most of
the scholars say that a Muslim man
can marry any woman who is a Jew
or a Christian.

On the other hand,
if we read the Qur’an as a whole,
Allah (swt) also says that Muslims
are not allowed to marry Mushriks
i.e. people who associate partners
with Allah (swt).

“And do not marry Mushrik
(polytheistic) women until they
believe. And a believing slave
woman is better than a polytheist,
even though she might please you.”
[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:221]

Moreover, we find that the Jews
and the Christians too associate
partners with Allah (swt). Says
Allah (swt) in the Glorious Qur’an:
“They (Jews and the Christians)
have taken their scholars and
monks as lords besides Allah, and
(also) the Messiah, the son of
Mary. And they were not
commanded except to worship one
God; there is no deity except Him.
Exalted is He above whatever they
associate with Him.” [Surah At-
Tawbah 9:31]

The Christians, who claim that
Jesus (pbuh) is God as well as the
Son of God, insist on the supposed
divinity of Jesus (pbuh) and
worship him as such.
“They have certainly disbelieved
who say, “Allah is the Messiah, the
son of Mary” while the Messiah has
said, “O children of Israel, worship
Allah, my Lord and your Lord.”
Indeed he who associates other
with Allah – Allah has forbidden
him paradise and his refuge is the
fire. And there are not for the
wrongdoers any helper
From the above-mentioned verses
and many such verses of the
Qur'an, it is very clear that almost
all the present day Jews and the
Christians are committing shirk by
joining partners with Allah (swt).
Apparently, it appears to be a
“contradiction” in the Qur’an, since
at one place Allah (swt) forbids
Muslims from marrying Mushriks,
whereas at another place He allows
Muslim men to marry women from
the Jews and the Christians, most
of who as per the Qur'anic
narrations are Mushriks too i.e.
those who associate partners with
Allah (swt).

====
[b]
In another verse of the Glorious
Qur’an, Allah (swt) conciliates all
the above verses by informing us
that among the Jews and the
Christians there are also people
who are true believers i.e. they
believe in only one God and do not
associate partners with Allah (swt).
It says,
“Among them (Jews and the
Christians) are believers but most
of them are defiantly
disobedient.” [Surah Ali Imran
3:110] [b]

first of all it would be important knowing that the quran is contradicting on its beliefs i speak with facts. ok let us go

no 1.

To Marry or Not to Marry? The
Qur'an forbids believers to marry
idolatrous women [Sura 2:221],
and calls Christians idolaters and
unbelievers [9:28-33], but still
allows Muslims to marry Christian
women [5:5].

no2.

aletheia: ^
He did something about it.


^
You have no understanding or experience of love. Think of another example / analogy

are u for real? did he do something about the world war 1 and 2?

he saw tomoro yet he allowed thousands of innocent soul suffer and die.

he saw tomorrow yet he allowed people weep pass through suffering. ?

if a god can see tomoro and lepet people still go through that, that god must be a wicked god.

finally if he saw tomoro y didnt he c d possibility of satan disobeying him? or did he see it and still went on with creatin satan even afta knowing he wud cause suffering?

dis means he must be wicked!!!!

berylLOL: eeyah, and I tot I had found a civilised atheist. .

You the most annoying gal stu.pid gal. very annoying i pity ur children and family rubbish. maggot

modicum: To my mother,am sorry,to our daddy AGO,am sorry & to my daddy G.O.am deeply sorry,THANKS.

SOURCE:http://www.facebook.com/bankole.solomon.5

this is one reason i always tell redeemers, that they idolise their pastors.

berylLOL: lol, na by force?..anyways just so you guys know, I wasn't healed of anything..itz just something else. and you can't just say it is a hokum..gbam, what are your facts?..you guys deal with facts right?.

i like that part of ur statement u said "we deal on facts" pls tell us wat happened cuz i see u as another liar who brings up story to support his/her religious beliefs.

i pity u. especially the fact u a lady.
i pity ur husband or the man u will get married to if u keep up with this.

lol

berylLOL: err..why do you wanna know know my testimony?. It's obvious you have nothing to contribute, you just an attention seeker. Byeeeeee

madam u brought up a topic, didnt u?
2. u said u ave experienced miraclee didnt u?
3. u said u were victim didnt u?

now madam tell us what were u healed of?

Miracle is a Hokum as Atheist D said

Dick Tator: Cpc are deluded as always. Third to comment sha.

me na forth.

Azonto azonto azonto.
rubbish stupid fellows

incase it mmakes front page

PortHarcourtBoy: Hian!!

its high time nairaland begins to ban this fo..ols.

I pity for your wife.


must u quote the whole article ??

blessing123: CHOSEN IS BLESSED !!!

its obvious you are igbo from your name and church.
that church you call chosen has several problems

1. Use of the Name GOD OF CHOSEN over Jesus.
Ur church members keep shouting "my god of chosen has done it".

2. Too much superstitious beliefs. infact to u guys everything is demon, winches. U cant just talk to a choosen member or "chosen" as u guys call urself witout hearing demon. all ur pastor miracles. 90% r about demons

3. the authencity of ur pastor miracle is doubted. dont quote me rung am trying to be tolerant here as a poster said i shud be.
but its true.
Ur pastor always curing HIV / Aids patient till d extent dat i ask y dont he set up a medical centre for Aids.


4. Ur church to me is too igbotic. too many igbos of which 96% are not modern or dont really embrace civilisation (no offence)

5. i heard u guys broke out of deeper life but u c d way u guys ave turn tins today superceeds deeper life anyway.

6. U guys over idolise ur pastor blif me i always complain of christembassy but u guys do it mostly too much. more dan christ embassy.

Anyway just my cent

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BBPREYEgarri: Na wa

gosh u annoying must you quote the whole article to say that?

gosh Mis*creants

k2039: I'm yet to see Seun's card.

does seun have a family? i thought he was one of this player boys. lol! just joking.

a little bit of advise since u starting new dont force pple to register on your site ) before commenting

[quote author=Okiki_Oluwa]Good example. I pray for the butler.[/quote]you cant be crius?? why did he allow the man to go to jain in the first place? y not forgive him dem? i tot the bible say forgive pple so ur heavenly father can forgive u?

my best advice is use registry

ABAboi: You will need to get the hardware details of each computer the software is installed.
encrypt it and check for modification each time the software is started.

you use Mac address and append unique codes to it

mind u mac address can be tampered with