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Enigma: So you have no logical explanation. So, in truth, you are the LIAR.

Oh, I repeat: I wouldn't have a problem if a school girl reads: "my grandfather was a satanist; he found that his satanism gave him inner strength"

My friend accept the fact u wudnt have a problem is pure lie. dont lie to force ur point accept u are rung wen u rung. dis is one problem with religionists.

U guys despise each other bcause of religion. common groups who are ur fellow christian u despise dem with excuse of not worshipping true god or not doing as stated in the bible how much more when a gal open says some one is a satanist.

lets be truthfull even though it hurts. this is why i like SEUN statement that religionist only say the truth cuz of fear of so called HELL.

In the United States, freedom of
religion is a constitutionally
guaranteed right provided in the
religion clauses of the First
Amendment . Freedom of religion is
also closely associated with
separation of church and state , a
concept advocated by Thomas
Jefferson.[1]


The First Amendment
In the United States, the religious
civil liberties are guaranteed by the
First Amendment to the United
States Constitution
:
“
Congress shall make no law
respecting an
establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or
the right of the people
peaceably to assemble, and
to petition the Government
for a redress of grievances.
”
:
“


The " Establishment Clause ," stating
that "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of
religion," is generally read to
prohibit the Federal government
from establishing a national church
("religion" or excessively involving
itself in religion, particularly to the
benefit of one religion over
another. Following the ratification
of the Fourteenth Amendment to
the United States Constitution
and through the doctrine of
incorporation , this restriction is
held to be applicable to state
governments as well.


The " Free Exercise Clause " states
that Congress cannot "prohibit the
free exercise" of religious
practices.


:
“ The Supreme Court of
the United States has consistently
held, however, that the right to
free exercise of religion is not
absolute. For example, in the 19th
century, some of the members of
The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints
traditionally practiced polygamy ,
yet in Reynolds v. United States
(1879), the Supreme Court upheld
the criminal conviction of one of
these members under a federal law
banning polygamy
:
“

now if u are a law student u would no the part of the law that state that a customary or state law can noot super seed a federal law in many places. this is applicable to the last part of the bolded.

now my view is this
the school teacher was not wrong for the following reasons

w. its a public school and so all of u must obey public laws. and in isolation of the state from religion. we must allow ppple exercise dia free right to religion but not impoose it on odas. this is a school gatheriing with people if you want to tell them about god den do dat in your private homes.

note if the gal has said My GRANDFATHER WORSHIPS GOD, thats ok but u telling us about the strenght source about ur grandfada from god is preaching and so is not deem fit.

bsides my above quotes is from Wikipedia.

tanks

Enigma: Is that the logic of atheism? Is there any sense in what you have said?

OK: as an atheist given to "logic" (yeah, right), explain logically how it was made a lie.

you woud be satisfied.

Enigma: Does the fact that it "surprised" you make it a "lie"?

no but this made it a lie

Enigma: i wouldn't have a problem if a school girl reads: "my grandfather was a satanist; he found that his satanism gave him inner strength"

Logicboy03: You lie to make your point? Christians these days.

yeah it surpprised me

truthislight: the concept of dream can be :

1. Stored info in our mind being relayed due to our unconsciouse/consciouse imaginations based on our concerns and fears.

2. Infusions of information from spirit forces into our minds.

The mind is part of the brain, having to do with our stored experiences and knowledge.

This ^^^ directly determined our likely cause of actions in life.

gbam u ave said it all.

anyything you dream is what u ave concieved in your mind

D sage: That was why I asked "Ymodulus" some few questions about dream, but he run. I'm still waiting for him anyway.

Truthislight and Reyginus who later refused to accept the immortality of soul should also come out to explain the concept of dream.

Note; please, my own immortality of soul does not tantamount to rising of dead in the heaven or hell.

i do no get u. are u trying to tell me dream is exprienced by d soul? or what?

bside i didnt run am here

[quote author=Mr_Anony]None of the above. I am a Christian. Why the question?[/quote]just askin

[quote author=Mr_Anony]are you refering to me?[/quote]yeah u

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woky: hmmm. Dnt say wat u dnt knw... Rememba his a POPE

my friend will u stop that? your pope or pastor do something wrong and you are saying we should not say anything ?
Or does your bible support killing? tell me may b i am wrong

u an atheist or agnostic?

lukade: To be sincere with you it is very difficult to find a nice female.most of them pretend to be nice.Thats the main reason a man should have control over their wives atlea,st this will reduce the tendency that they misbehave[they are power-hungry].these events occurs around us everyday.in 1990 my aunty[the wife of a Rtd major general]burnt my right hand with fire from candle when i was just 9 years old .the mark is still there till date.i look foward to the day i will have the opportunity to desend un such animals.

i understand your feeling.

inurmind: Please what belief do you hold?

Atheist

Admire.
1. Atheist D
2. Logic boy
3. Anony.

Intelligent.

1. frosbel
2. Logic Boy
3 Atheist D.

funy.

1. Berrylol(shes a disaster)
2. pagan9ja

Joagbaje: Who asked for your response dude? Just shut the door and waka.

lol! o boy na jaogbaje dey talk like dis?

joe4christ: [size=15pt]
Cos i'm kinda confused right now about what to think of you! [/size]

lol!

thats one of the 48 laws of power. be ambigous to people and u will command power.

The most funniest of all is that jesus christ went to hell. i ask myself the question if jesus went to hell why then say hell is a place of torment for the wicked?

Acts 2:31

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left (kataleipo) in hell (hades), neither his flesh did see corruption. (KJV translation)


The word kataleipo means...

1) to leave behind

a) to depart from, leave

1) to be left

b) to bid (one) to remain

c) to forsake, leave to one's self a person or thing by ceasing to care for it, to abandon, leave in the lurch

1) to be abandoned, forsaken

d) to cause to be left over, to reserve, to leave remaining

e) like our "leave behind", it is used of one who on being called away cannot take another with him

1) especially of the dying (to leave behind)

f) like our "leave", leave alone, disregard

1) of those who sail past a place without stopping

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/2/1147370736-9394.html



So basically this word means to be "left over" somewhere. So that means that the thing being left over was already there.



The word hades means...

1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions

2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead

3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

++++


In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place.

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/8/1147369484-2683.html



Basically what the verse is saying is that Jesus' soul was not left over or remained in hell. However, this shows and proves that his soul was indeed there at a point in time. Bible commentator Matthew Henry says...



Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell’’ (in hades, in the invisible state, so hades properly signifies); "but, though thou suffer it for a time to remove thither, and to remain there, yet thou wilt remand it; thou wilt not leave it there, as thou dost the souls of other men.’’ (Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible, Source)



So basically Jesus' soul was in hell for a period of time but did not remain there just as it would be for other men (the sinners I am assuming).

very funny

cogitoErgo: The police boss however warned
parents against giving birth to children
they can’t train rather than giving
them out to some people who would
maltreat them.

This is why i have been an advocate of one or two child system.

Gbawe: Indeed. Overall, I do feel the revolution thingy is rather impractical. Nigerians are not united enough to carry out all-encompassing actions against their leaders. Sadly, even the most clear issues will be factionalised in the Nigeria of today - creating the perfect environment for looters and thieves.

true talk

tbaba1234: ^ A simple illustration,

A teacher says to a class of students: No student should address me except the class prefect and his assistant... Why does the teacher select only those two? They are all students , right? They have a status with the teacher, and are given the privilege.

Same goes with the people of the book, they do commit acts of shirk but they have a status: the people of the book. The Quran never addresses them as mushrik even though it highlights their acts of shrik.

Be honest with the book and you have no problems.

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sorry but ur narration dont sum up

inurmind: Who is this christ? Can you give me hard evidence that he existed? Evidence that he and a man named simon could even carry a 170 pound cross?

u funy

tbaba1234: ^ Lol, caught with his pants down,

Anyway, your conclusion is still invalid...

I am actually studying the Quran and i am also trying my best to 'cram' it. Respect the Quran usage of the word mushrik, instead of trying to put people in a box that the Quran does not put them into.

Yes, they do commit acts of shirk but they have a status in Islam as the people of the book, and that is what they are referred to as in the Quran, not mushriks.. Some Christians at the time of the prophet also believed in the trinity, It didn't stop them from been called people of the book. This is because they still have parts of God's revelation with them.

Mr you juat nailed yoursef. they commit the acts of shirk.

Note if somebody drinks just once for a day i cant term him a drunkard never, but when he does this constantly and even messes himself up, then he fits the description of a drunkard. now in relation christians dont just commits this act of shirks have u ave said once. the do it constantly and so are shirks.

Again, Intellectual humility would be useful for you.

Am sorry if i insulted you am sorry on that.

frosbel: None of the above

I am a follower of Jesus Christ.

ver funy

Jezuspoa: how can you explain hebrews 4:12

Hebrews 4:12

New International Version (NIV)

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Mr there is no place in that verse that conotes immortality of the soul. infact the bolded went on to support the mortality of the soul. cause i dont know how a sword will cut someting immortal. or have u seen it?

Mr i cant deny the fact i took the article from the said url. but i ust tell you that i didnt conclude the end because he was wrong at his conclusions. now let me support my facts.

MUSHRIKS
are said to be people who acclaims a partner to god.
now the question is do christian fall under this category? yes they do though not all.
Why?
when christians call trinity they are acclaiming partners to god. mr dey say God the fada, son and holy spirit. that they are three gods yet in one and they believe the three gods make decision in unison. But there is one fact not all christians believe in trinity.

Now back to the main bone of emphasis. it goes can christians be referred to as MUSHRIKS
Answer
Yes the can be referred to as MUSHRIKS though not all just those who believe on trinity. so please read your quran well and understand all it says before coming out here to spill rubbish!!!!!!.

Lastly my advice dont cram the quran like 90% of u do. bye

jacobscros: she may not like you. ignore her so she will come running to u

there is no MAY Be.

she does not like him.

@poster
why dont u face your book and stop thinking about this girl?

the most annoying part is you are 19 and U already PROPOSING.
or is that an error on ur part?

kids like u shud be called Mis*creants.

o gosh u annoying. in LAS VEGAS u dont do this else i wud ave gone u for life.

my blood dey hoot.

dvee2: [color=#000099][/color]

Take this as another clear example of how some men wrongly interprete the word of God by infering and drawing wrong conclusion. You rightly quoted above that it is permisable for a muslim man to marry a christian or jew female. However, Allah in his infinite mercy says a muslim should not marry a Mushriks,Allah id not in any place equates Mushriks to be christians or jews. It is you that now defines Mushriks to be Christians or jews. you see clearly how we start to cause confusion. If Allah wants to call Christins or Jews Mushriks, he would have done that but no where in the quoran where Christian/Jews called Mushriks. Rather they are refered to as the people of the book etc.

Before I answer your specific
question, it would be appropriate
to first take a close look at the two
terms "Mushrik" and " Kaafir ", as
only after that can we say whether
the Christians, Jews or adherents of
any other religion fall in these
categories or not.
Let us first take the term " Kaafir ".
" Kaafir" in the Arabic language
means "rejecter". The term
" Kaafir", normally taken to be
synonymous with "non-Muslim" or
"non-believer", is quite different
from the two terms. A "non-
Muslim", obviously, is a person
who does not adhere to the Muslim
faith. Thus, all those who do not
ascribe to the Muslim faith are
"non-Muslims". A "non-believer" is
generally used for a person who
does not believe in God and the
Day of Judgment. "Kaafir ", on the
other hand, is a person who
knowingly rejects the truth. A
person may not believe in some
'truth' for a number of reasons.
For instance, he may not be fully
convinced of some aspect of that
'truth' or he may have some doubts
in his mind regarding that truth.
However, if all doubts are removed
from his mind and he becomes
fully convinced of that truth, yet
he persists in not accepting it or
persists in ascribing to a wrong
belief after becoming certain of its
incorrectness, he then becomes a
" Kaafir" and is no longer just a
"non-Muslim" or a "non-believer".
In other words, all those people
who persist in not accepting Islam
after being fully convinced that
Islam is the truth of the Almighty
or persist in ascribing to a false
belief after being convinced of its
incorrectness are " Kaafirs" or
rejecters of the truth. All others
for our purposes are "non-
Muslims" or "non-believers ".
This explanation, if considered
closely, should clarify the fact that
we cannot call anyone a "Kaafir "
unless we have absolute knowledge
of the reasons for his rejection of
faith (or Islam), which we do not
possess. Thus, for the purpose of
this world, we should not call
anyone a "Kaafir ". It is only God,
Who with His absolute knowledge
can declare someone a " Kaafir ".
No one besides God possesses the
knowledge that is essential to
declare someone a " Kaafir ".
Thus, we know on the basis of
God's declaration in the Qur'an
that the Jews and the Christians
(and those ascribing to other faiths)
during the time of the Prophet
(pbuh) refused to believe in the
Prophet (pbuh) even after being
fully convinced of his prophethood
and were, therefore, termed
" Kaafir" by the Almighty. As far as
the Jews and the Christians of later
times are concerned, we do not
have adequate knowledge of the
reasons for their rejection to term
them " Kaafir ". God, on the Day of
Judgment, shall give the decision
regarding these Jews and Christians.
Those, among them, who refused
to accept Islam and the
prophethood of Mohammed (pbuh)
, although they were fully
convinced of it being the truth,
shall stand in the category of
" Kaafirs" on the Day of Judgment.
The term "Mushrik", like the term
" Kaafir" has also been slightly
misused. It is not just ascribing to
a polytheistic belief that makes a
person a "Mushrik". According to
the Qur'an , "Mushrik" is one who
ascribes partners to God. and christiaan believs in trinity. 3 partners of god. god d fada, d son and holy spirit

berylLOL: you are happy you are right?.. I've not confirmed anything bruv bruv, well, I insulted nobody, I only described them, y d hell are you attacking me anyways, what happened to your fellow atheists who started talking out of line in d first place?..or you guys kiss each other assses?

na thunder fire ur mouth thia.

taa shut up!!! 200level student

are u a jwit? or u just dont belief in hell?

at times i wonder which u are.
ATHEIST?
THEIST?
AGNOSTIC?
PAGAN?
DEIST?


OL!! that was a nice article.

striktlymi: [s] I have seen and experienced a lot as a pagan to know that deities exist.[/s]

Thank you!

illucination