all4naija:What is the civility you brag about in your society? Spare me this over-bloated idea to make your country looks innocent of its crimes. That I will accept with a pinch of salt.
I never disputed the magnitude of gangsters in your society and taking the laws into their own hand, but it speaks volume of the nature of things you are trying to cover-up with clear intention. That I will not allow to be done here because it is absolutely absurd and unacceptable in any civilized society to say the least.
I am even doing your country a service by shedding light on things which might be happening in secret to the detriment of the innocent. That by itself is good but actions need to be taken to arrest the situation. With a small population it would be easy to make life easy for the people and educate them about what comes with good development. These kinds of orientation have not been given to them, which prove that country is not ready for the future as an African nation.
all4naija:Yet civilians in SA murdered Africans in xenophobic attacks. The burning alive of an African and killings in your country will continue to haunt your cities for years to come.
Did they sucsed n stopeing it? Yes(after the army was given the green light. They then killed a zenophibic rioter who was going to murder a zimbawen. The rioter pulled a gun on the solders. And got killed)
Did the attack take place nastion wide? No. It was locolized in poor areas.
patriot4: Go and insult a french soldier, you will get the beating of a life time. He might even kill you. And if you overpower him then you will get arrested and you will get beaten up by the police and you will be sentenced one year in jail. I think frog jump is not that bad. I am fully in support of frog jump.
patriot4: You are definately not a soldier! or at least not a good one. In times of peace, you obey civilian rule outside the barracks, and military rule always. And once again, frog jump is a thing even kids can do. That is not a big punishment at all. And what you can not see in that photo is the crime the guy did.
Rules of war are all waysed followed. At all times.
What if he had a injured leg that got worssened by that treatment. And why you deffending the acstion. Would you like it if the french army made you do public PT because you nigerian and they "all" crimnals?
patriot4: First of all that was not war. That was a soldier doing a police job. That is how the soldiers are trained in their accademy, and that is how Nigerians are trained in schools. If you are rude or go beyond the law then they make you do exercises like frog jump. Soldiers are not police. And frog jump is not inhuman, I used to do it as punishment in secondary school. You should see what we call a serious punishment in Nigerian secondary schools. This is how things are in Nigerian society, this is how our law is.
Has a solder you obey the rules of war at all times. Not just during war.
and that proofes what. E-tv was not there, are anti goverment and reports know nothing about the milltary. and if you read the report it will explian every thing. so please stope acting like a fool.
patriot4: Go and ask any Nigerian about Nigerian police. And just listen. I lived in Nigeria for a while and I still go home on visits. I knw my police, and everybody who knows a little about Nigeria knows too. When you ask soldiers to do police job, sh*t happens, it happened with the French army in Algeria, it happened with the US army in Iraq and Afghanistan, it happened with the russian army and it happens all the time. Frog jump is not a bad thing. And it is a Nigerian thing, in Nigerian schools, you do those types of punishment when you go beyond the law or when you are rude. This is a Nigerian thing, it is not a big deal to us Nigerians. And I fully approve making rude people do frog jump.
I don't doubt nigerian cops are bad. But that not a excuse for the army to treat civlian like the do.
Rule of war. I will treat all civlians humanely. Makeing a bus driver frog jump. Yes that is humanely.
patriot4: UN was there, Red cross was there, France was there,civilians were there, and SELEKA was there and they all contradict you. Stop insulting my intelligence by saying such a big lie. And stop quoting Helmoed Heitman, I have already told you I believe nothing he says.
UN and red cross pulled out most personal. All others hunkerd down during the attack.
Seeleka cliam they killed more south african(somthing that I point out to be wrong) not that we killed over 500 of them. Seleka says they lost 600 to SA forces.
So please don't think we going to fall for your lies.
patriot4: Look, now you are making vague accusations just like that. First of all, we were talking of Baga. And I have just showed you that your quick analysis of the Baga event was erronous. Now for the bus driver doing frog jump, it happened because the police in Nigeria is really useless. So we often call our soldiers on internal duty. And the soldiers are not made for police job, at all. They can not stand indisciplin. So if you are being rude or not obeying the law they might make you do frog jump. That is rather a proof of great disciplin from Nigerian army. Now the Sierraleone case you are talking about is the case of a rebel being executed. He was about 18 years old, and he was one of the people cutting the hands of innocent civilians and killing unsuspecting soldiers, so he got executed. End of discussion.
They not vage. Nigerian solders have no disspline, there officers no control and they have no selfe disspline. Aka they no better than rebels.
And the fact that nigerian solders have a hisstoey of vilonce against the civlians makes them prime suspect.
What do you know about nigerian poliece. You have don't live in nigeria. And how dose that give them the right to be so agrisve to civlians.
No. Was not proven to be a rebels, he was not excuted. He was not 18. He was 16 and shot in the back.
They all so fillmend a few other case a war crimes. Your troops are no better than rebels.
patriot4: I think it is the South africans who have such a big image of themselves and their country. You people think you are so great that it makes it verry easy to feed you positif propaganda about your army. Helmoed Heitman is on the payroll of your army yet you believe what he said about the incident even though it contradicts every witness on the ground. How many times on this forum have you people compared yourself to America ? You just think that you are so great that when you get beaten by those who are supposed to be so inferior to you, you just can't take it. Well as it happens, there is nothing special in South africa. You are a little bit richer than Nigeria, but that is just for now. Your industries are doing a little bit better, but still the difference is unsignificant and Nigeria is bound to crush you verry soon. Your army, is strong compared to your police but it is not as strong as most rebel groups in Africa. (even with your so called "super Equipment", which by the way is only average). I do not believe Nigeria is the Giant of Africa because there is no Giant in Africa. The Giant of Africa is the USA. Yes because the world is a small village. Although every expert say Nigeria has the biggest potential in Africa. And someday I believe Nigeria will pass the USA, I will be dead by then, and India will be the world superpower by then. So this is my take on all this.
Funny. Those interviews with the rebels. You know the other side. Support what we say.
There where no NGOs in the or near the battel field. So if the only 2 forces (SA and seleka) say simmlare stuff. It kind of makes you look like a fool. But then again you are one.
all4naija:That is what SA is good at, bragging about weapons which are never tested anywhere in the world for combats. I can now agree with the argument South Africans are good in passing propaganda to others as in proving their capacity to be the giant of Africa. Yet, they are full of xenophobia and tend to run on their hills when rebels strike. That alone speaks volume of the people and advanced weaponry the one-eyed-nation-of-Africa continuously boast of.
Are you saying I should be thankful for your military running from rebels attack? Should I be thankful SA is trying to intimidate neighboring country by enforcing economic imperialism? Do I have to be thankful because SA is selling untested weapons to non-free world nations? Please, I can only be thankful for one thing if SA kind of development or better can be replicated in other African countries. Not this your self-aggrandizement to look special and belittle others. Please, jet off my comment.
Keep showing your clear lack of knowlege on milltary sytems and hardware. It funny stuff to read.
patriot4: First of all as I have said already twice and as I do not want to say it again, the Nigerian soldiers were only 1/3 of the contingent there, the Chadians and Nigériens were the other 2/3. So stop putting the blame on what might or might not have happened on the Nigerian soldiers. And what you are saying is a big lie. Nobody got prosecuted for Collateral murder except the wistle blower. And nobody got prosecuted for black hawk down. And the US has killed 2 million people in Afghanistan and Iraq combined, and very few people have been prosecuted. So, I think this ends the debate.
So all the other case mentsioned where not done by nigerians. So it was not nigerian solders who made a bus driver frog jump. You asked how this shows your milltary is in a poor state. So I did.
There is justerviabel and unjusterviabel colltral damge. Witch one is killing random people and buring houses fall under.
Nigeria troops in liberia and sierr leon did sinlare stuff. The even shot a unarmend kid in the back in front of a cammra.
all4naija:Nonsense! Something which is not in drawing-board is what you are trying to flaunt here as SA military achievement. Please, get your sh*t out of my face!
What is nonsense. The only fault is that algeria switched to the cheaper and shorter ranged ingwene agm. You just jeloes.
agaugust: . all war zones all over the world have civilian deaths during military operation in towns where people live and mix with soldiers exchanging fire.
in united nations intermational laws it is accepted an called COLLATERAL DAMAGE. nothing new in Nigerian army operations involving civilian deaths same thing happened to American and British army in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as NATO military operation in Bosnia war.
Nigerian army is still better than the south African army because no rebels remain standing after fighting Nigerian army, our enemies die or run away from battle, and no rebels drive around in Nigerian army vehicles captured like seleka rebels did to disgrace south African army like never seen before in African history.
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This shows you are not in the defense industry
These are from my rules of war card.
I will fight only enemy combantans and attack only mililtary objectives
I will employ methods of attack to achieve the mililtary objective with the least amount of harm to civlian life and property
I will treat all civlians humanely
I will not tolerate or engage in rape or looting
I will respect all cultural objects and place of worship.
I understand that disobeying these rules is a crime. It dishonours mililtary personnel and their country and makes them liable to punishment as war criminals. I will therefore report any violation of the rules to my superiors.
The rest of the rules has to do with treating enemy solders and humantrian personal.
When niger gets attacked by a heavly armend force that out numbers them more than 10 to one come back and talk. Nigerian solders would have joined fomac and faca in runing away or waveing at the rebels has they drive past.
patriot4: I still quite fail to see the link between this and the combat readiness of the Nigerian army. The Afghans used to say the same thing about US soldiers. So please explain your point. Our soldiers didn't run from the battle front. So what is your point ? The US killed more than 1000 people in the "black hawk down" event. And that was a similar situation with that of Baga. The terrorists had infiltrated the town with their families and the rest of the people in the town were their sympathizing neighbours. How can you save their lives when they put themselves between a soldier and a terrorist, in order to protect the terrorist ? Moreover there was as much chadian soldiers and Nigériens soldiers(not Nigerians) than Nigerian soldiers in that conflict.
And in america those respobill are proscuted.
It shows :poor disspline :Poor comand and control from officers, or worse that the officers support this acstion :no self control
A dsspilinded well led army will not go on a rampatge. Like nigerian solders in sudan did when they never got there deploment allowance and had not been flown back to nigeria yet.
Msauza: We'd rather die at the hands of rebels other than cowardly killing innocent civilians and yet claim to be the military giants of the continent.
Nigeria army 'opens fire on civilians' in Maiduguri
9 October 2012 Last updated at 06:32
Eyewitnesses spoke of a shooting spree by soldiers
Nigerian troops have opened fire and burned buildings in the north-eastern city of Maiduguri, reportedly killing 30 civilians.
The shootings came after a bomb blast targeting the army had injured two soldiers.
But army spokesman Lt Col Sagir Musa told the BBC that soldiers had not shot any civilians.
Maiduguri has been under siege from the militant Islamist group Boko Haram, which wants Sharia law in Nigeria.
On Sunday, the army said it killed 30 Boko Haram members in another north-eastern city, Damaturu.
Eyewitnesses in Maiduguri said soldiers began to indiscriminately open fire on residents and set fire to homes and businesses.
'Truck full of bodies'
An Associated Press reporter in the city reportedly counted 30 bodies and 50 buildings that had been set ablaze.
Unnamed nurses at the local Umaru Shehu were quoted by Reuters news agency as saying that 30 bodies in civilian clothes had been brought in, with a further five corpses in military uniforms.
"Initially, soldiers that came after the explosion harassed residents, whipping them," one person told AFP news agency.
"But later they went on a shooting spree and started setting homes and shops on fire."
Another resident said the soldiers "shot everybody in sight".
One Maiduguri resident told the BBC that a tipper truck full of bodies had been driven to the hospital.
"The bodies were dumped there like bags of cement," said the resident.
Another resident said: "When soldiers are killed, everyone is an enemy. You just have to pray you are as far as possible from the scene."
Similar reports of the security forces arresting and killing local residents following militant attacks have been made on numerous occasions during the past three years of Boko Haram violence.
The BBC's Will Ross, in Lagos, says that in the conflict between the army and Boko Haram, civilians have paid a heavy price.
Not trusted by either side, people complain that they are stuck in the middle between the bombs of Boko Haram and the bullets of the army, our correspondent says.
Col Musa confirmed earlier on Monday that two soldiers had been injured in a bomb blast targeting an army patrol vehicle in Maiduguri.
Attacks in central and northern Nigeria blamed on Boko Haram have killed some 1,400 people since 2010.
agaugust: yes, i prove you wrong, nigerian army did NOT kill the civilians, it was B.ooko H.raam secret bomb storage that exploded in their hide-out and it killed many people and burned many houses because they are built with dry grass/wood in that agricultural village location.
no big issue, we in america just suffered another I.slamic terrorist attack last week in Boston City, USA, 3 dead, over 100 wounded, despite all the military power of america, the worlds number one rank. the news is all over the world on internet, BBC, CNN, DW, AFP, APP, REUTERS, VOA, etc.
its not easy to detect civilians who live among ordinary people but turn to terrorists in 5 minutes and attack, unless you have magical or spiritual powers to read innocent looking peoples' minds before they commit terror attacks.
it is NOT the job of military anywhere to detect secret civilian terrorists living disguised as ordinary people in the city before they attack, its the job of secret service intelligence agency and police, the military only helps to provice extra fire-power. if you dont know the difference between constitutional duties of secret service intelligence agency, police, and army, then you are a pure bred undiluted mugu dumb dullard . B.ooko H.raam is afraid of nigerian army, otherwise why dont they come out openly with all their weapons and challenge nigerian army to face to face one on one battle ? nigerian army will roast all of them in one day ! it is cowards or weaker opponents that do hit and run or hide and seek battle.
in that battle, nigerian army lost 1 soldier dead, but killed 30 B.ooko H.raam fighers dead. that is the high combat competence and quality of nigerian army.
no country in africa dares to challenge the great nigerian army !
here below is the answer to you south africans on the borno state, baga town civilian deaths
"The Commander of the MNJTF, Brig.- Gen. Austin Edokpaye, has however claimed that only six civilians were killed and not the 185 widely reported by the media on Monday.
Edokpaye, in a three-paragraph statement he sent to journalists in Maiduguri, also said that 30 thatch houses were burnt as against 2,000 which Baga residents told Borno State Governor, Kashim Shettima, when he visited the community.
Edokpaye said the troops killed 30 Boko Haram gunmen and arrested five others. According to him, a soldier died and five others sustained injuries. He said “Contrary to media speculation that hundreds of houses were burnt, instead, it was the explosion from Boko Haram terrorists’rocket propelled grenade bombs, anti -aircraft guns and sophisticated IED materials that triggered fire to about 30 thatch houses in the predominantly fishing community.”
He also said that three rocket propelled grenade launchers, two rocket propelled grenade bombs; four AK 47 rifles, 435 assorted ammunitions, seven quantities of IED material, and three Toyota Land Cruisers, were recovered from the sect members.
The Borno State Government said on Tuesday that ‘over 100 people’ were killed.
agaugust: yes, i prove you wrong, nigerian army did NOT kill the civilians, it was B.ooko H.raam secret bomb storage that exploded in their hide-out and it killed many people and burned many houses because they are built with dry grass/wood in that agricultural village location.
no big issue, we in america just suffered another I.slamic terrorist attack last week in Boston City, USA, 3 dead, over 100 wounded, despite all the military power of america, the worlds number one rank. the news is all over the world on internet, BBC, CNN, DW, AFP, APP, REUTERS, VOA, etc.
its not easy to detect civilians who live among ordinary people but turn to terrorists in 5 minutes and attack, unless you have magical or spiritual powers to read innocent looking peoples' minds before they commit terror attacks.
it is NOT the job of military anywhere to detect secret civilian terrorists living disguised as ordinary people in the city before they attack, its the job of secret service intelligence agency and police, the military only helps to provice extra fire-power. if you dont know the difference between constitutional duties of secret service intelligence agency, police, and army, then you are a pure bred undiluted mugu dumb dullard . B.ooko H.raam is afraid of nigerian army, otherwise why dont they come out openly with all their weapons and challenge nigerian army to face to face one on one battle ? nigerian army will roast all of them in one day ! it is cowards or weaker opponents that do hit and run or hide and seek battle.
in that battle, nigerian army lost 1 soldier dead, but killed 30 B.ooko H.raam fighers dead. that is the high combat competence and quality of nigerian army.
no country in africa dares to challenge the great nigerian army !
here below is the answer to you south africans on the borno state, baga town civilian deaths
"The Commander of the MNJTF, Brig.- Gen. Austin Edokpaye, has however claimed that only six civilians were killed and not the 185 widely reported by the media on Monday.
Edokpaye, in a three-paragraph statement he sent to journalists in Maiduguri, also said that 30 thatch houses were burnt as against 2,000 which Baga residents told Borno State Governor, Kashim Shettima, when he visited the community.
Edokpaye said the troops killed 30 Boko Haram gunmen and arrested five others. According to him, a soldier died and five others sustained injuries. He said “Contrary to media speculation that hundreds of houses were burnt, instead, it was the explosion from Boko Haram terrorists’rocket propelled grenade bombs, anti -aircraft guns and sophisticated IED materials that triggered fire to about 30 thatch houses in the predominantly fishing community.”
He also said that three rocket propelled grenade launchers, two rocket propelled grenade bombs; four AK 47 rifles, 435 assorted ammunitions, seven quantities of IED material, and three Toyota Land Cruisers, were recovered from the sect members.
The Borno State Government said on Tuesday that ‘over 100 people’ were killed.
agaugust: yes, i prove you wrong, nigerian army did NOT kill the civilians, it was B.ooko H.raam secret bomb storage that exploded in their hide-out and it killed many people and burned many houses because they are built with dry grass/wood in that agricultural village location.
no big issue, we in america just suffered another I.slamic terrorist attack last week in Boston City, USA, 3 dead, over 100 wounded, despite all the military power of america, the worlds number one rank. the news is all over the world on internet, BBC, CNN, DW, AFP, APP, REUTERS, VOA, etc.
its not easy to detect civilians who live among ordinary people but turn to terrorists in 5 minutes and attack, unless you have magical or spiritual powers to read innocent looking peoples' minds before they commit terror attacks.
it is NOT the job of military anywhere to detect secret civilian terrorists living disguised as ordinary people in the city before they attack, its the job of secret service intelligence agency and police, the military only helps to provice extra fire-power. if you dont know the difference between constitutional duties of secret service intelligence agency, police, and army, then you are a pure bred undiluted mugu dumb dullard . B.ooko H.raam is afraid of nigerian army, otherwise why dont they come out openly with all their weapons and challenge nigerian army to face to face one on one battle ? nigerian army will roast all of them in one day ! it is cowards or weaker opponents that do hit and run or hide and seek battle.
in that battle, nigerian army lost 1 soldier dead, but killed 30 B.ooko H.raam fighers dead. that is the high combat competence and quality of nigerian army.
no country in africa dares to challenge the great nigerian army !
here below is the answer to you south africans on the borno state, baga town civilian deaths
"The Commander of the MNJTF, Brig.- Gen. Austin Edokpaye, has however claimed that only six civilians were killed and not the 185 widely reported by the media on Monday.
Edokpaye, in a three-paragraph statement he sent to journalists in Maiduguri, also said that 30 thatch houses were burnt as against 2,000 which Baga residents told Borno State Governor, Kashim Shettima, when he visited the community.
Edokpaye said the troops killed 30 Boko Haram gunmen and arrested five others. According to him, a soldier died and five others sustained injuries. He said “Contrary to media speculation that hundreds of houses were burnt, instead, it was the explosion from Boko Haram terrorists’rocket propelled grenade bombs, anti -aircraft guns and sophisticated IED materials that triggered fire to about 30 thatch houses in the predominantly fishing community.”
He also said that three rocket propelled grenade launchers, two rocket propelled grenade bombs; four AK 47 rifles, 435 assorted ammunitions, seven quantities of IED material, and three Toyota Land Cruisers, were recovered from the sect members.
The Borno State Government said on Tuesday that ‘over 100 people’ were killed.
agaugust: thats what south africa knows how to do best....build a few nice looking weapons, make its videos and photos, market to buyers...then go to real war and lose to seleka rebel farmers with AK-47 rifles.
south african army fights like an group of well armed cowards !
Once again you show your foolishness.
13 on our side over 500 on there's.
Seleka had a massive numbers of mercanries from Chad and sudan. Not farmers. They where armened with 23mm auto cannons, 14.5mm VHMG, 30mm AGLs, mortas, RPG7s.
There main commander was a ex genrial from chad, the genrial in charge of the forces that fought the SANDF was a ex CAR officer that had been trianed by the SANDF. He had a good under standing of our doctrain. Yet we still killed over 500 of them.
Most of our forces was light infantry up against technicals.
all4naija:The SANDF were truly defeated in CAR. There is nothing to explain how the well trained SA troop lost their fight with 13 of their men confirmed dead in the aftermath of the encounter. It is a shame the so called one-eyed-nation of Africa lost a fight to untrained child soldiers in CAR.
Untrained solders do not pull of L ambushes. No how to use 23mm autocanons, 30mm AGL, mortas extra. The bulk of selekas force where mercanriens from chad and sudan, there officers had forghin training. They used child solders to get close.
And we killed over 500 of them and they never capturd the base. So please.
Niether of the facts given in those videos dissproves what I have siad. Has for the opion of E news. They would not now a AK47 from a R4 if you hit them with it. So again I will tell you. Try again.
patriot4: "Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed towards influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
That kind of what you have been trying to do.
I mean you trying to discredt a artical you refuse to read.
patriot4: "A form of propergander", you would know that verry well since you are a master of propaganda. Nobody believes your propaganda anymore. Go back to your chiefs and tell them you have been discovered.
You the one who is miss quoting and only reads what he wants to belive. You can't dissprove what been said so now you resorting to other means such has discredting what the truth is. Yet you say I am conducting propergander.
patriot4: Once again, I do not care about his report. The truth is that SA soldiers lost a lot of men (at least 50) and ran away from the battle field, and begged the french to give them shelter. But some low life propaganda people like you have managed to kill the truth, that is why I brought tons of news reports saying the truth, while you keep saying that the only person saying the truth is one South african defence force consultant, who gets his paycheck from SANDF. And one more thing: the fact is that no matter what it says in that report, I don't care. I am just saying the truth of what happened. You can put your report from SANDF propaganda man where the moon don't shine.
I have point out all ready how it is imposbil for the SANDF to hide a death of even one solder. Yet you think we can hide close to 40 deaths.
At no point did we beg the french for shelter or run away. We held the base. Then after the cease fire relocated to the airport.
You have yet to disprove what he said. So it dose not matter who he works for. I even posted a intervew with the rebels. And you disregaurd that. So please don't try your bull.
We sufferd 13 deaths 27 wounded and killed over 500. Those are facts. If you can't live with the truth don't make that our problem.
patriot4: Isn't that the first thing the devil says: "the devil does not exist". By the way I don't believe there is any state on earth without military propaganda. I only used that source for the usefull information it gave on how SA propaganda shall work and is working. In other words read the quote.
Reading. A quote with out the full story is called miss quoteing. A form of propergander.
It is a well kowen fact the SANDF has a poor public relashinship department. And a high level of silence. Yet you still act has though we pratise propergander.
patriot4: I think zaandrew belongs to the South african propaganda team. By the way the report he says is the only truth was written by helmoed heitman who is currently a South african defence consultant. In other words his report is propaganda written by a South african "soldier". This is why everybody here has had the feeling zaandrew lacks a well functionning brain. He has been doing it on purpose. He is a master of propaganda. Although, some of us here are not easilly beaten (unlike SA soldiers in CAR) by propaganda.
You have been unable to disprove his report. I mean you never even looked at it. But hey what ever floats your boat.
patriot4: "This military propaganda must entrench that: South Africa’s army is unparalleled in the continent; instil absolute fear to any military establishment, rebel or not, that considers attacking SANDF; make South Africans scornful to anyone who speaks negatively about the SANDF; ensure that no media houses write or comment negatively about the SANDF wherever it maybe deployed in the continent; and compel the opposition to speak positively about the SANDF as a key institution in South Africa’s foreign policy." http://kunjalo.co.za/politics/south-africas-non-existant-military-propaganda
That source suports the view that we do NOT have any milltary propergander in the SANDF. You got to try harder.
patriot4: please if anybody has a brain here then answer zandrew. And tell him what you think about his reasoning. I am fed up, I can not continu this discussion with an slowpoke who spits on the face of logics.
You call me a retard yet you have not been able to disprove any thing I have siad or the source I used. You want to argue a artical you refused to read. Yet you talk of logic. You call my sorce propergander because it south african, yet you use sa sources(sources that use my source) all the time. You all so use nigerian sources so why are they not propergander.
You are one of the biggest fools I have ever seen.
patriot4: Go back to your parents and ask them why they didn't give you a brai when you were being born. I do not care about your report, coming from your propaganda master, the fact is that you are telling lies, and I don't care if they are written in that your propaganda report. All I have done is prove more than ten times that all you were saying are lies.
Yet you can not proof they are lies. You posted sources that are either outdated, wrong or do do not disprove what I say. I gave a source but you refuse to even look at it, claiming it is propergander. Yet many of the sources you use, use the so called "chief of propergander" has a source.
How do you argue a articaly you refuse to look at. Your logic is messed up.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by zaandrew: 7:52pm On Apr 24, 2013
