₦airaland Forum

patriot4: No my problem with you is that no matter how solid the proof is and no matter how rediculous your claims are, you still hold on to your claims and to the propaganda of mr Helmoed.
I have brought reports from almost every news outfit in the world, yet you refuse, this time I even brought a video, yet you refuse.

You trying to argue against a report you refuse to read. And nothing you have post has disproven it.

Those same news sights use mr Helmoed has a source. So again. Sorry you are wrong and will stay wrong.

patriot4: How can a normal human being have a discussion with you ? It is all excuses after excuses.

It is not my problem you are wrong.

I told you before to try and disprove prove me. You would perhapse think I would be reading every new aetical about the sandf every day. I have sandf bookmarked to show every mention of it over 24 hours. I check there every day. So again. I am sorry you are wrong but it is not my problem.

patriot4: You abandonned your uniforms. And again these journalists are South african and they said you were chased out. And this is not about when your soldiers went back to South africa, this is about when they fled to the airport.

So I take it you still never looked at that 40 page report I linked here. Because has I said it explians all.



SA had a lot of gear and wepaons for the training mission, some was located in the main barrackes in town (where the traing base was) and the bulk was in the old police barracks out side of town. When the city was attacked the small force in town left.

The only thing of value left behind was a radio sytem. Your so called chief of sandf propergander has all reasy said the officer in charge there should be court marsheld for his failer

patriot4: These videos say the opposit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4VOSwvJtxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF0gZ_Q8JQo
Andrew, how are you going to continue your lie after this ?
It seems that it is not only your military vehicles seleka is cruising right now. They are also cruising your uniforms.

Those vedois do not say the oposit at all. You got to do better mr french man.

patriot4: SA news itself saying SA troops "fled":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4VOSwvJtxM
I now have the best proof of all, video footage:
And I quote "the seleka rebels who chased them out"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF0gZ_Q8JQo

The SANDF left because it mandat was now invalide. And we have been asked to please return. It all so took along time for us to leave if we where being chased.

all4naija: Hahaha... The most discouraging comment I have ever read on Nairaland. It is like saying we should cut down on our military so that SA can keep intimidating other African countries. No way! No way that is going to happen as there is huge manpower in the country. All we need to do is tapped into the potentials to quench the SA intimidating attitude in neighboring countries.

At the moment, we can still afford to maintain our budget for the military judiciously. That is good enough to keep the number floating. Another thing, I would be very interested in the government making sure they are well paid and provided with decent facilities. We are still the giant of Africa in this area.We got the manpower, yo!

I never siad anything about cutting down on spending.

all4naija: Where did I say it is a new rifle in my comment? Your self-aggrandizement to talk about this toy gun is revealing. I doubt you know what such assault rifles are meant for. After-all we have seen how your military was disgraced in CAR with all their over-polished weaponry and vehicles.

I would opt for the Nigerian kind of AK-47 which is the world best assault gun in the market.

The R4 did pretty while in CAR. We killed over 500 rebels.

Any case the R4 has a simlare desgine to the AK(there is a you tube vedio showing that) the difrense being size and qulty and the barrel. The R4 is seen by janes has being more ruggerd and reliabil than the AK and galil(the wepaon the R4 is based of).

Henry120: You last statement got me laughing real hard.

However love the president or loathe him, that man has done practically all in his powers to salvage the problem

We have been in a state of rebuilding and transforming the military into a modern force, since the advent of democracy.

In 2012 president GEJ handed the military and SSS 5.7 billion usd

This 2013 he has given the military 2.9 or let say 3 billion usd to build capacity to fight terror.

We have seen remarkable, significant success, however fighting home grown religious extremism is no easy task.

Look at the russians, they have been fighting terrorists since 1994 in dagestan and the northern caucuses. A few years ago, say 4 years one of russia's main airports in moscow got hit by a suicide bomber.
What about india, pakistan, indonesia, Philippines et al

My point is combating home grown terrorism is no easy task.

15 billion what, for which military, that is too much, we don't have that kind of money yet to spend on the military.

We are gradually moving our nation forward, with infastructural development moving full stream ahead, in rail, road, power, manufacturing, eko Atlantic etc etc

15 billion dollars, I'd personally protest on front of aso rock

Corruption, all those cases are in the courts, is it the fault of the president(executive), that the judiciary is stalling and un willing to expedite action ??

There are few things nigeria can do.

One cut down on forghin deployments. This is the cheapest but worrest opstion. Has it would damge nigeria diplomatcaly.

Down size and stream line. A cheap opstion. And if you get a good reserve force will not effect nastional defense.

Increase budget by around 2 to 3 billion. To average of 7 billion USD for deffense and SSS.

Don't cut down on numbers but still stream line. Harder to do since now you must find ways for cuting down on costs.

patriot4: I will not respond to you anymore. Any person with nhalf a brain can counter your s.tupid logics.

giving up? you have not been able to counter one point i have made about any thing french man.

patriot4: Nigeria can more than afford 15 billion dollars for the army.
Little algeria gives 10 billion dollars to its army.

Why don't you check your current nastional budget. Where you going to cut 12billion USD.

Show source for algerias defense budget

agaugust: We Americans don't lie about our war casualty figures, my fellow Blackman president Obama is a testimony to that fact.

South Africa has the biggest war propaganda news media machinery in Africa, that's where you are ranked number one....telling lies.

it is ileagel to take phoo graphes of coffins returning from ME. America dose not realse numers for those wounded only killed.


show proof of this outlandish cliam. Even during the border wars we never hid the numbers of those that died. So mr american post proof of your cliam.

patriot4: First of all I would have considered boko haram a foreign aggression and a foreign infiltration of Nigeria. I would have restricted media coverage of boko haram, and I would have given a budget of 15 billion dollars to the army, in order for them to buy and make the best Equipment to fight effectively. I wouldn't have considered this Amnesty that consists on giving money to terrorists who are mostly foreign and whose bases are mostly outside Nigeria (so no way to know if they are disarmed or not).
And finally, I would crush corruption, instead of joigning the club of the corrupt politicians and even granting perdon to the most corrupt politicians internationnally recognized.
Frankly, don't live me and GEJ in the same room, it would not end up well at all.

15billion usd! Do you want to bankrupt nigeria.

all4naija: Don't be offend at my opinion on this particular gun. I thought at first is was some toy used by Nollywood or SA movies studio. I don't see anything worth praising in this Halo-4-like game gun.

However, the SA guns are in no way going to be better than the ones Nigeria government will be purchasing because they are coming from the developed nations' advanced technology. It is waste of time flaunting this toy as though it can withstand the developed nations product.

Please, call in Russia or US to help you guys out with modern weaponry. Until then this one doesn't impress me at all.

That shows just how ill informed you are. Firslty it not a new rifel but a modernized R4. It has a new optics, grip, but and barrel. All so the frame is made of newer light weight matrials. The underbarrel frenade launcher is the same has the american M203.


And nigeria army fields local AK 47 copies. Only speciol units get the nice stuff.

That R4 has a effect range of ±500m 200m beyond that of the standard nigerian assult rifel.

patriot4: All the non SA outfits insist you got badly beaten. So I think the question doesn't make sense.

Those reports are not current. And all they say is we lost 13 with 27 wounded. And give nothing more of use. Actually they only reporting what the SANDF and SA media has siad. With there own spin. You do know the first report of SA vechiels in seleka hand was from SA media. Yet you not calling that propergander.


The numbers of over 500 rebels dead from SA hands has not been refueted. Not even seleka who actually convirmend it. So please mr french fool. Stop peddaling you lies.

What we post was a interview with a rebel. Yet you call it propergander. Both you and the americans are the biggest fools I have ever seen.

patriot4: How come it is only on SA news paper ?
In everybody's right mind, this is propaganda.

I don't know. Why don't you ask media outlets from oth countries.

How so. It a interviw with a rebel. Those are his words.

saengine: This might have been posted before.

Project African Warrior, upgrade of the R4 assault rifle by SA company Denel Land Systems



https://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9035/21a0910o9999h062cp1.jpg

http://www.soldiermod.com/summer-08/prog-african-warrior.html


They not in genrial use yet. They still have not decided on what nust stay and what must go.

agaugust: South African army Rifles that could not defeat old AK-47 rifles of the seleka rebels in CAR. nice weapons in nice photos that's the only thing south African military knows how to do....photography.


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Even though there is so much proof against it you still trying to say the same bull.


Proof of just how ignorate americans can be.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

From the mouth of rebel fighters. Tet some french fool doubts me.

patriot4: I think I am going to let this conversation to rest because you are not being consstent and I have no time to waste.

You trying to agrue against a report you rufuse to read. And you blameing me. That why I call you a fool.

patriot4: The fact that the rebels are cruising your military vehicles and that you were asking for safe passage is a reflection of the truth. You got badly beaten. Why don't you give me a UN or a foreign credible outfit saying you killed 500 rebels ( I would like to attract everybodies' attention on the fact that first you said SA killed 400 rebels, then you said 1000 and now you are saying 500). It seems to me that you fit the definition of a pathological liar.

All coverd in the report.

patriot4: Once again a sout african news outfit. Give me an independent news outfit then I my take you seriously.
But for now you have only been posting propaganda from SA media. I do not mean all SA media is propaganda but the fact that every other news outfit in the world contradicts these "informations" from these SA media, brings me to the conclusion you are posting propaganda.

That shows you know nothing of SA media groups and how they are anti goverment.

patriot4: You are quite a joker ! Everybody is saying the opposit of heitman's claims, yet you say no one is disproving his report ? Why don't he prove his report, why should it fall on others to disprove his report. Who has time for this rubbish ? And Seleka never admitted losing that much men. It seems to me that the estimâtes say SELEKA lost less than 50 men in the entire conflict that lasted for months, and verry few in Bangui.

That is the most foolsh think yet from you.

No report has come out since this one. And this is a 40 page report.

Long befor this a seleka captian admited that he lost half of his 500 strong group alone to SA forces.

Yet some frenchman acts has though those people have been refuted. Show me where some one has come out and siad we did not kill over 500 seleka rebels. Because there is no one who has siad that. Not even seleka them selfs.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/22/african-heads-of-state-begged-zuma-for-troops

"Even this man who has declared himself a leader [in CAR] said: 'Those people who were here from South Africa showed us a miracle; we killed 13 of them, but 600 of ours fell'," she said.

patriot4: I am not reading a report from Helmoed heitman, he is the chief of your army propaganda department.

No one has disproven his report. Not even seleka. Though they cliamed to have lost 600 men to acstion with south africa.

patriot4: Then post the link again ! Right from the first time I asked you to post your link you said you already posted a link. If you already post it then it should be verry easy to post it again. But of course that link doesn't exist or it is coming straight from South african propaganda team, which tells why you keep saying you already posted it.

http://mampoer.co.za/helmoed-heitman/the-battle-in-bangui


There is your link. Now instead of calling it propergander read the report.

On nigeria MTLB.

Nigeria has 67 MTLBs[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Soviet_MT-LB.JPEG/300px-Soviet_MT-LB.JPEG[/img]

For those that do not know. That is a MTLB

Nigeria has the APC version that can carry 11 passangers and 2 crew. It is armend with a MG(it can take a 14.5mm but I don't know what nigeria armend them with). Max armour on the front is up to 14.5mm(actually not bad) but only 7.62mm on the side.

With a 61km road speed and 500km road range it is ok. It all so amphiobos.


The real thing I wanted to point out though is that it was piad for by America. That right it was gifted. And they are second hand polish models at that to.

gamerepub:
This is playmode,i have posted twice to debunk that lie you told about your navy and airforce but for some reason my username was banned

Dude you can lie to people who are not on the ground but can't lie to some who lives in SA and has access to SA news on the go.I will try to post my reply again and hopefully i won't get banned.

You know how many times that so called damged beyond repair sub saild. It saild 1000km from durban to simmons town after the hit. Spent 1 week out the water and was put back in to servises.

SAAF has 6 qulfied gripen pilots at all times in 2 squdron. That dose not mean they have 6 pilots. 2sqdron has a number of unqulfied pilots who are conducting traning. And the 6 qulfied pilots rotate in and out with pilots taking leave and going on courses.

SA sent 8 qulfied gripen pilots to sweeden for war games.


You can not disprove facts.

agaugust: .

south africa, home of the devil

where humans are roasted alive in fire, and they have a government, police and army !

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Intritingly enough we have pretty much delt with that problom. We where able to pull back from the brink of all out civil war and all sides submited to ANC rull(bare a few sidled radicals such has the Boermag)

All so that took place during white minory rull and the still in power natsional party provided the IFP with support. The hop being to bring the ANC down. The NP knew that the ANC would win a elecstion but they sttod. Chance against the IFP. So they used the IFP to try and weaken the ANC.

agaugust: Calling me a fool is already vulgar language. So what's worse than that ?

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Fool is not vulgar. If you worked in a milltary enviroment you have heard far worse things.

agaugust: You are the one who insulted me so much that your posts were hidden twice and you got banned. You have called me a fool many times when you read painful truths about south African military failures.

You are the one that writes insults to people when they prove you wrong.

Good you got banned again as usual. I hope you learnt your lesson.

Those posts where dircected at playmode. And where not insulting.

I call you a fool because you are a fool. I am not insulting you. If you wish I can. I don't need to swear or youse vulgar langue to do so either.

agaugust: your own brain puts losers and failures on top. I guess you are a loser/failure too


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You the one who resorts to insults and lies when he is prooven wrong. Yet you want to call some one a looser and a failure.

KidStranglehold: The strongest military in Africa goes to Egypt and South Africa(even though they got their butts whooped by the Angolans and Cubans ) Those are the strongest military's in Africa IMO. IIRC Egypt has the largest.

And no time did angolan or cuban forces ever deafet us in battel.