dejt4u:
so wat are u nw clamourin for? Since they are nt d same in any means, they shldnt be d same in certification.. Bsc,Ba,Btech nd Bedu can neva be d same thing as HND in Nigeria..

dejt4u:
so wat are u nw clamourin for? Since they are nt d same in any means, they shldnt be d same in certification.. Bsc,Ba,Btech nd Bedu can neva be d same thing as HND in Nigeria..

dejt4u: Op, dnt deceive urself..polythechnics nd universities curriculum in Nigeria is very different and dat is what is makin it unequivalent..
What shld be done nw is to upgrade ur curriculum in polytechnics

tosnat:

I heard of a guy that studied mechanical engineering at Yaba college of technology, he had upper credit at both national diploma and higher national diploma levels.thereafter,he moved to unilag via direct entry into part 3..news had it that he emerged overall best graduating student with a cgpa of 4.98 or so and was sent to M.I.T in the u.s....that's someone who wasn't able to bag distinction at yabatech...

The universities don't train, what's the essence of theoretical knowledge that isn't applied?..I observed the trend and noticed that graduate engineers seek refuge in the I.c.t industry.then I wonder,why study mechanical or electrical engineering and the run to infotech?..they start a new career, run after ccna,ccia and the likes..bros,they don't know the engineering they studied for five years...not that its their fault..its just that the system is faulty..theory for five years and when they grad,they tend to be unemployable..

Well,whatever we believe,the fact remains that the university certificate is more recognized.. Buh everyone has to understand that its not cos university graduates are better off...its just they way its been..I even had to stop my immediate younger brother from going to a polytechnic I graduated from..

tosnat:

The polytechnics are predisposed to admitting below average students..well said...but why do polytechnic students that find their way into the universities top their 'above average' counterparts in their various fields?..why do they emerge as better and best students despite the fact that they are below averagestudents?...why do they perform better in the industries?.. Why do university graduates turn morons at the industries?..why is it that the industries can't do without HND graduates?.. Particularly in the engineering and technology fields?...you are only fortunate to be in the uni...you aren't any better than those in the polytechnics..

Hnd-holder:
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? OPTIONS FOR NIGERIAN POLYTECHNICS Polytechnics around the world have been evolving while staying focused on their mission. One key evolutionary development is in nomenclature. Change of name of the institutions awarding degree level qualifications, such as the HND from Polytechnic to University, and also a change in the title of the qualifications obtained from HND/ Diploma to Degree. These changes accommodate the esteem needs of graduates of polytechnics and their teachers and makes for the recognition and ready comparison of the qualifications in line with the general expectations from the traditional tertiary education system popularized by the university. The question may be asked is there a need for these changes in nomenclature in Nigeria? We have a title conscious but performance deficient society that has made aggressive efforts to downgrade the polytechnics in Nigeria to sub-degree status and in the process frustrated many of the nation’s gifted youth. Were the story different, I personally think that HND holders from my generation are very proud of what they have achieved and would retain the name, preserve the heritage of the polytechnic system, and encourage their own children to follow the same path to excellence. But no more; not in the circumstances that we have today. No one would gladly send his own children to a polytechnic, except as a stopgap measure. And that is a real shame and a tragedy for Nigeria. One may ask what is the offence of the polytechnics? None really. Just the result of envy by people who are not sure of themselves, and feel safer with people who are like themselves. People don’t like you when you are confident! It is the psychology of insecurity and scarcity, not of abundance. But abundance is the result of purposeful and intelligent labour, not happenstance or manipulation.
For these reasons, let the polytechnics take on new nomenclature that leaves no one in doubt that system and its graduates are equal to the universities’ and any other of equal standing. Valuable time and lives must not be wasted on nomenclature and status issues again. Let people compete on the basis of capability, and performance, not on unfair advantage. ‘Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a hundred ideas contend’. Water will always find its level. Let polytechnics retain and deepen their National Diploma ND programmes and convert their HND programmes to degree, but retain the essential polytechnic character by deepening the practical content whilst enhancing the grasp of fundamentals.

valdprof: hehe .. A good varsity student can comfortably teach a poly lecturer

tosnat:

That's even a monotechnic...

tosnat: Yeah yeah...

Whats your discipline?

tosnat:

Six lines and absolutely splendid... But when will this work out in Nigeria?

tosnat: @zebra.. What about M.Eng with HND...what's its cons relative to B.Eng with M.eng?...please shed light.

Francomekus:
you will call it naive becos you are in poly. Mind you " It is not the quality of the desired object that gives us pleasure, but rather the energy of our appetites' and our appetites for university is greater than that of poly ( ask your fellow poly students). mind you also that poly has to do with the practical aspect and university has to do with theorytical aspect. someone who read engineering in poly is called a TECHNOLOGIST while someone who read it in university is called an ENGINEER. So Bsc and HND are not the same. i might be naive but you are selfish, thinking about how something will benefit only you. my poly friend told me plain that Bsc and HND cant be the same. Menh think straight 4 once.

Justosaus: Coke & pepsi na the same? U can't compare a 3yr HND course with a 4, or 5yr B.Sc. The admission & financial requirements, years of study, etc. Forget the facts that our universities are dilapidated, the polytechs aren't any better off.

Justosaus: Coke & pepsi na the same? U can't compare a 3yr HND course with a 4, or 5yr B.Sc. The admission & financial requirements, years of study, etc. Forget the facts that our universities are dilapidated, the polytechs aren't any better off.

valdprof: stop being pretentious . Someone could get 250 in jamb and yet would not be admitted in a uni , while another manchi that scored 160 or less would be admitted so easily in a poly..,. THAT ACCOUNTS FOR BSC-HND DICHOTOMY

Francomekus: ppl say that HND and Bsc should be same, should also help me tell government to make Bsc and Msc the same.
i wasted a year, some of my friends wasted 3,4,5 years just to get the university,and someone who cant wait for university, going to poly that same year will want HND to be same with Bsc. mehn wake up from that dream. i will also want OND to be same with HND.

Dcoolest: Wow!!!......am happy dat thr is a thread like dis......but am scared cos al here are experts, either graduates or undergraduates.....
I am a new statistics student in a poly in dis country....though we r yet to start lectures.....
I wil love to knw the books dat I should get to get myself prepared befor resumin....nd as I heard pple wit thr say dat statistics is a very tough course.....bah I fink u pple here wil be of help to me........
Kudos to u all.........

Idacrux: Tnx bro. But cant I go Ican,Niit among others.