shumax:
Must you comment? your level is ignorance is amazing all over the world the military have business and leisure activities they engage in for you information every army as part of its professionalism must have every type of profession in its employ that is why some years ago when civil servants in the UK threathened to go on strike the govt as the army to get ready to take over the positions, hisssssssssss

Yes, i agree with you. Even in Nigeria, some years ago, when Medical Doctors went on strike, military medical personnels took over in some govt owned hospitals to save lives. When civil Air traffic controllers went on strike, the air force air traffic controllers took over the control of air traffic. Back to the biz of generating funds by the military, they've been in it right from colonial era. The air force base ikeja mammy market, abacha barracks mammy market abuja, police cooperative market in obalende/ikoyi, and other mammy markets around the country? What do u think they set up all these for? It's for generation of income. So if they decide to build hotels, they're only expanding their scope of income generation. Mind you they are allowed to generate their own income so far it's in a legal way. I'm with u all the way bro!

Mavor: Look at all these clowns above me commending such rubbish. In a democratic republic, the military has no business being in private business such as being a hotelier. Of course only in a jungle like Nigeria can people applaud such madness.

I don't see this as a problem. One of the best clubs/hotels in kaduna (NAF Club) along Rabah/Katuru Road is owned by the Nigerian Air Force but run and managed by a professional hotel manager (Nanet Hotels Ltd). The Nigerian Army also have one of the best guest houses in kaduna, that is, Command Guest House along WAFF Road. It is also managed by professional hotel managers. It's very possible the hotel in Enugu will also be given out to hotel managers to handle. It's a good development.

Cajetan speaks: Since you said I don't know anything about statisticians' job. I will like you to enumerate these duties, lets dissect them individually. And mind you, the Statistician General of Nigeria and all his special advicers studied economics.

The Stat-General of Nigeria, Dr. Yemi Kale (PhD, FSS) holds a first class Bsc Degree in Econs and Distinction in Msc Econs. He is a Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society, United Kingdom. This qualifies him so well to be a Statistician. He is therefore an Economist and a Statistician.

oluwa mikkie:
Get d hell out of here, na only them dey? Wey they go give them 500 billion. Are they d only sector in dis country?

i wonder o! We get other sectors wey their problems and neglet pass university own. Even ASUP problem sef pass ASUU own, and yet dem mellow down call of dem strke. Make ASUU let nigerian people hear word jo.

zaimeg:
Thanks for your contribution, I already do these things you mentioned. I have an income. I am not all about just getting any job. I did a DSA job with a bank until November last year. It is all about career pursuit, not money to survive. I still enjoy building electronic water tank monitors for people and getting paid. Maybe I should change the topic.

That means u even have a job. U don't need to look for a job that they won't pay u. Why should u be looking for a job that they will not be paying u? Did u go to school for free?. Pls change the name of the topic.

That's a good one. But why not start something that will make u self-employed on a small scale first? Something that can atleast put food on ur table? U're an elect/elect engineer, why not learn little things like handset repairs and configuration, laptop and desktop repairs and configuration, including software installation. Honestly with u engineering background u would do well in it. If u can be verygood in it then people will patronize u well, and u will make money, and probably expand the scope of the business. Stop waiting for white collar jobs that no longer come easily.

One of the biggest set backs in the Nigerian educational system is ASUU. They should be ashamed of themselves for helping the country to churn out low quality graduates. In the area of research they have also failed. Dr Issah Fagge should be asked how many quality and sensible research he has done in the past 10 years? Bunch of greedy employees!

KenGali:

My friend will you shut the hell up, you are full of knowledge yet can't assimilate a simple idea of change.



Nobody failed to realize there will be increase in fees, that is the essence of student loans to pay the fees. Government will not be funding people, but will be guaranteeing their loans. There is no issue of reversal.

There are several areas this is going to touch on by its implication.
1. Issue of Over production of Bachelors:
Only people who are really interested in design work will train for Bachelors. The employers will also be forced to review there demands for Bachelor holders. Hence moving towards the mid skilled manpower (2 years degrees) we require for proper economic growth.

2. Higher Quality Training in the Long run
-When you remove excessive demand for Bachelors on both the side of employers and employees, you will force the Universities into competitions to stay alive. They will become innovative on how to improve and attract students who in this case are there clients and main source of funding.
-On the part of the student, if the school needs your money for funding, they become more responsive to your needs. They avoid strikes, change inefficient systems in order to avoid loosing you and your money. Your lecturers will see a direct link between how they teach you and their payment, hence abuses will be minimized.

3. Research: Instead of dishing out money to non-researching lecturers, Universities will be forced to fight for extra funding from research grants, hence will look to retain lecturers with relevant research prowess. This will improve the relevance and utility of trainings, churning out graduates with the right kind of new ideas and abilities that will create jobs that will employ the more massive population with 2 year degrees.

This is coming from a graduate that must ve done a critical analysis on the economy. Ur post is the most intelligent post on this topic. Bachelor's degree ve been bastardized in Nigeria, that's why graduates are employed to do jobs of primary school leavers. Govt should concentrate more on achieving quality primary and secondary education by introducing vocational subjects in the curriculum from primary level. Technical/ vocational secondary education should also be given attention and encouraged. Govt should also encourage more people to acquire middle level qualifications like ND and NCE by removing all forms of discrimination against them, so that they can effectively drive the economy, by so doing there will be less need for people to acquire Bsc degrees to get jobs, and we will have very few people wit bachelor's degrees. This will even improve the quality of the Bachelor's degree and the quality of the academic work work done in the university. Government really need to review our educational system and policies. I'm with u bro!

KenGali:

My friend will you shut the hell up, you are full of knowledge yet can't assimilate a simple idea of change.



Nobody failed to realize there will be increase in fees, that is the essence of student loans to pay the fees. Government will not be funding people, but will be guaranteeing their loans. There is no issue of reversal.

There are several areas this is going to touch on by its implication.
1. Issue of Over production of Bachelors:
Only people who are really interested in design work will train for Bachelors. The employers will also be forced to review there demands for Bachelor holders. Hence moving towards the mid skilled manpower (2 years degrees) we require for proper economic growth.

2. Higher Quality Training in the Long run
-When you remove excessive demand for Bachelors on both the side of employers and employees, you will force the Universities into competitions to stay alive. They will become innovative on how to improve and attract students who in this case are there clients and main source of funding.
-On the part of the student, if the school needs your money for funding, they become more responsive to your needs. They avoid strikes, change inefficient systems in order to avoid loosing you and your money. Your lecturers will see a direct link between how they teach you and their payment, hence abuses will be minimized.

3. Research: Instead of dishing out money to non-researching lecturers, Universities will be forced to fight for extra funding from research grants, hence will look to retain lecturers with relevant research prowess. This will improve the relevance and utility of trainings, churning out graduates with the right kind of new ideas and abilities that will create jobs that will employ the more massive population with 2 year degrees.

This is coming from a graduate that must ve done a critical analysis on the economy. Ur post is the most intelligent post on this topic. Bachelor's degree ve been bastardized in Nigeria, that's why graduates are employed to do jobs of primary school leavers. Govt should concentrate more on achieving quality primary and secondary education by introducing vocational subjects in the curriculum from primary level. Technical/ vocational secondary education should also be given attention and encouraged. Govt should also encourage more people to acquire middle level qualifications like ND and NCE by removing all forms of discrimination against them, so that they can effectively drive the economy, by so doing there will be less need for people to acquire Bsc degrees to get jobs, and we will have very few people wit bachelor's degrees. This will even improve the quality of the Bachelor's degree and the quality of the academic work work done in the university. Government really need to review our educational system and policies. I'm with u bro!

segun4christ: Thank you so much my brother! Which institution are u and what level are u as well ?

I'm not a student. I'm a graduate of Statistics. I have my own firm where i work as a research consultant/statistician.

Funpeter: Have you done it? If yes, then how? And how far is the exam in lagos or where is the exam taken place? Tanks for your quick response

No, i've not done it, but i know about it. Just google their site and read. In Nigeria, Lagos is their exam center.

whatofyou: When manna falls from heaven into our camp, the tendency is for everyone to pack to his fill. Trouble comes quickly if only few are allowed to pack as much as they like from the abundance. FG cannot win this war by preaching something else and doing another. They cannot win this stalemate by telling ASUU to stop being greedy, yet they (FG) go about living big, teaching us how criminal it is to be poor in this age- we are all humans. ASUU has the ball in their court, and they do with it what they please.
ASUU, we the citizens will be wrong telling you that 'half a bread is better than none.' The road to the glory of our nation is rough-terrained. The foolish one sees nothing; the wise sees long-term.

If politics is easy let them leave their lecturing jobs and go join Ngige & co. After all Prof. Jerry Gana left his own in Geography Dept, ABU Zaria to join OBJ in 1999. Did u hear him complaining about govt not funding universities? Dr. Fagge pls call off this strike now; respect urselves. Is it because ur children are schooling in private universities and universities abroad? Pls pity the children of the masses.

whatofyou: When manna falls from heaven into our camp, the tendency is for everyone to pack to his fill. Trouble comes quickly if only few are allowed to pack as much as they like from the abundance. FG cannot win this war by preaching something else and doing another. They cannot win this stalemate by telling ASUU to stop being greedy, yet they (FG) go about living big, teaching us how criminal it is to be poor in this age- we are all humans. ASUU has the ball in their court, and they do with it what they please.
ASUU, we the citizens will be wrong telling you that 'half a bread is better than none.' The road to the glory of our nation is rough-terrained. The foolish one sees nothing; the wise sees long-term.

If politics is easy let them leave their lecturing jobs and go join Ngige & co. After all Prof. Jerry Gana left his in Geography Dept, ABU Zaria to join OBJ in 1999. Did u hear him complaining about govt not funding universities? Dr. Fagge pls call off this strike now; respect urselves. Is it because ur children are schooling in private universities and universities abroad? Pls pity the children of the masses.

3ace: Foolish people. You are always saying that the lecturers are only concerned about their own interest at the expense of the students. The question is why have you too not honoured the agreement you entered into in 2009? Did you sign the agreement under duress? If na wetin go benefits all dis useless politicians, dem go find a way to approve am. Nonsense!

Did Jonathan sign that agreement?

segun4christ: What are the professional courses available for statistics graduate ?

Go for the Royal Statistical Society. It's a world wide professional body for statisticians. U earn the Cstat status there. Use google to get to their site so that u can see their requirements.

frosbel: The TITHE as practised in churches today is a FRAUD no matter how you try to twist God's word to support this day light robbery and extortion.

I believe this whole fraud originated from Nigeria. Modern day Nigerian pastors are very smart.

Tithing is not a christian doctrine. It is a jewish doctrine. Did the apostles who started the early churches asked people to pay tithes? Or may be they forgot to? Their emphasis was on giving.

The problem is that most christians don't understand the difference btw christianity and judiasm. Jews live their lives by observing laws, principles, feasts, festivals, etc. Christians on the other hand are not expected to observe these; but to live the new life which is having faith in christ Jesus and doing his will. As a christian, Jesus has paid all my tithes already. He gives to me so that i can give to others, and not because He wants me to give back to Him. Even in the old testament God first gave to Abraham freely, not because Abraham gave to Him. So people should stop saying that if u don't tithe that God will not give to u. Judiasm emphasizes on tithing while christianity emphasizes on giving. Even Christ himself and the apostles who were the first christians did not emphasize on tithing, but on giving. As christians we are encouraged in the Bible to give to the poor, orphans, widows, destitutes, etc. Did someone here say that tithing is not an old testament law? Read Mathew 23:23 where Jesus called the pharisees hypocrites for paying all manner and kinds of tithes and failing to keep the weightier part of the law. He also said why cant they do these without leaving the others undone too. So if u want to live the jewish way of keeping laws then u must keep all the laws. If u must pay tithes then also observe the feast of passover, keeping the sabbath day holy, sacrificing animals and using their bloods for the atonement of sins, not eating certain animals like pig, becoming unclean when u touch even the hand of a woman who is in her period, therefore performing certain rites to become clean. There are many laws to be kept, and if u believe in keeping of these laws then u're not in Christ and cannot be called a christian. Christ died on the cross for us to be redeemed from the law. He has paid all ur tithes, settled all ur debts, taken away all ur sicknesses and weaknesses, so why do u still want to be observing laws and feasts like the jews?

The ones in zenith do it a lot too. They will say hello to u like 5 times and will leave their bits to escort u outside telling u stories and carrying ur bag or briefcase. U must give them something at the end of the day.

Find attached copy of the research work in pdf.

Djtm:
I don't know if they are given money for research or not. Even if they are, I'm sure it is always embezzled at senate (university senate) level and it doesn't get to the lecturers. I know only a few percentage of lecturers carry out research. I think the money doesn't get to the lecturers (i.e if it's actually being allocated) or even the department.

You are now talking. That was why i said they use the funds for other purposes other than research. There is a research work done by some nigerian academicians which i would love u to go thru. The research findings stated that "research funds are available for researchers to access, but because most nigerian academicians have nothing new to bake in the academic oven, these funds are not accessed and used for the intended purpose of researching and coming out with new inventions and techniques that will help solve societal problems". I will try and get the site and post here. Regards.

Djtm:
There are organizations sponsoring researches in Nigeria but any discovery will be in their name. You won't know until you see one. I didn't know too, until I met some of them. Read my earlier posts.

What are u still saying? Government provide research grants to universities every year. That is one of the mandates of the university, and it is their right that such funds is made available annually for them to carry out researches. If government were nnnt providing these funds ASUU would have included that as part of their reasons for going on strike. I still repeat, they collect these funds and use them for some other things and not research. Only very few lecturers in nigeria (less than 10% ) are actually engaged in research. I know of one in ABU, Prof Nok.

mo2raur:
You mean the other mtds he want me to mention...i dnt knw too.

Ok, i think i understand u better now. U want to find out other methods of solving these systems of equations, right? I'll see if i can get some for u. But still list the ones u have so that we don't duplicate. Can u lay ur hands on Advanced Engineering Maths by Kreyzig?

Djtm:
Lecturers have labs where they carry out research (@least in some schools). I know some lecturers who do. The problem is that these research are funded by foreign organizations and they pay them (the lecturers) monthly. Any breakthrough or discovery from those research will be in the organization's name. So you basically will not hear of any achievement until government starts funding research.
As for the dude who talked about government pouring millions of naira into universities, those 'millions' are not enough to run the system. I heard from someone who heard from the v.c of a school that the money they receive from the government is just a little above what they need to pay salaries. They receive 60% of the needed money and about 50% are used to pay salaries. They have to generate the rest themselves every year. Have you ever wondered why a school that will admit 5000 students will sell 80k post utme forms?
I heard from Gov Fashola himself that Lagos state's annual allocated budget is about 5% of that of Havard university.

i won't believe what u just said. Federal govt give research grants to federal universities that claim to be doing researches every year different from the money used in running the universities. If govt were not giving them research grants they would have probably gone on strike for that reason, or better still come out to tell nigerians that govt are not encouraging them financially on research. Because they have no research agenda they divert money meant for research into other uses.

delors: And with all the practicals and applications at Polytechnics, what do we have to show? Absolutely nothing. malaria fever kills everyday in Nigeria than anywhere in the world, yet our medical researchers have no solution (thanks to our herbalists who can cure with very bitter concoctions).
With polytechnics sprawling all over Nigeria, we are yet to produce a torch light. the last ones i saw were imported from china.
- Mention a Nigerian company that produces umbrella.
- mention one that produces tyres or even NYSC boots.
- Mention one construction or engineering company in Nigeria whose staff is 100% Nigerians and 100% locally trained...

But what is really the problem with the nigerian educational system? What about the millions of Naira govt allocates to universities and lecturers for research every year? Can they show us what they've achieved with it in terms of research? Only God knows the solution to Nigeria's problems.

Ajibel: Op, you and i share almost exactly the same thought. I think practicals should be encouraged to take bulk of school activities and leave students to do research on the internet on theory aspect. Most of what is being taught theoretically are available FREELY on the internet. Practicals should take a major chunk during exams and the education board should reduce OBJ questions of A, B ,C etc. It makes us lazy and encourages malpractice. I have more to say buh no one listens to me

More practical learning and less theory is done in the polytechnics. Are u saying that universities too should emphasize on more practical learning than theory too? I thought their mandate is to research and come out with designs?

mo2raur:
I think both, i'l list all the mthds and talk on LU Decompositn, QR, Power Mtd & Sro Mtd

can u list the methods u're talking about?

mo2raur:

Thanks For Your Rapid Response.... '
The Numerical Methods For Solving System Of Linear & NonLinear Equations'

Sorry for not responding on time. Are u to write the algorithms on the methods or u want to use them to solve problems in ur project? I can still remember some of the methods like gauss-siedel, newton-raphson, regula falsi, and bisection mthd.

Cajetan speaks: These few days I have received alot of PMs from NLanders that followed this debate, especially young grads of maths/stat. Its nice knowing that people actually followed and learnt alot from our debate.. ALUTA CONTINUA till men kick bucket. <thanks>

U try, guy. We all learn in each day and from each other. It was a good debate.

marcangelo:
wel, i'm currently in yr1 mathematics and statistics...although i didnt chose it because i culdnt get admission to engineering so i ended up there in admision list... Bt its beta dan stayin at home sha

it's always like that. Most of us that read mathematics or statistics actually wanted computer science or other engineering courses, but at the end of the day we still found it interesting. Just develop some love for it and put in ur best.

Numero uuuno: okay sir,we'll done
Keep up the Good work

No wahala. We shall keep u informed on developments in mathematics and statistics.

Most mathematicians/statisticians are great men; and most great men are mathematicians/statisticians.