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CareerRe: Nigerian Statisticians/Analysts Forum by zebra(m): 9:22pm On Aug 26, 2014
U can always get me on nairaland.
CareerRe: Nigerian Statisticians/Analysts Forum by zebra(m): 9:18pm On Aug 26, 2014
aoeforgod: 15yrs ? Yepa, all hail the grt statisticians. Pls I would like to av ur contact would like to ask you some questions.
i worked in d banking sector for 8 yrs, left and working as a consultant statistician since 2011.
CareerRe: Nigerian Statisticians/Analysts Forum by zebra(m): 6:23pm On Aug 26, 2014
aoeforgod: Yh he is bt av not received any lecture frm him.
He was my lecturer in zaria 15 years ago. He's aged now. Very good in design of experiments.
CareerRe: Nigerian Statisticians/Analysts Forum by zebra(m): 9:03pm On Aug 25, 2014
aoeforgod: Association of statistics students (ASSON) Funaab chapter. Proudly assonite
How is Prof Asiribo? Is he still in FUNAAB?
CareerRe: Nigerian Statisticians/Analysts Forum by zebra(m): 6:59pm On Aug 25, 2014
maryannah: Great Statisticians!!
I just love figures!
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 8:07pm On Jan 09, 2014
speedyboi: and he is not saying the truth! I just checked those courses and they looked like specialization courses for Agric Engineering! If i hear say someone did it in 200 level. 200level includes courses in 'General Engineering' picked from various departments and offered by every Engineering student in 200level - that's what you guys did in ND1.....perhaps. It's in 300l that the students go different ways and concentrate on their departments - And that's what that guy is doing in ND2.

All uni graduates on thread, sorry for busting your bubbles. I'm just a person who doesn't try to peddle lies just to support what's mine. I support how things should be done! It doesn't matter if I'm even on the other side.


====>I just had to come back to this thread grin grin grin grin.....Just to catch any uni student that tries to lie! grin grin grin grin grin. I'm supporting Poly graduates! #TeamPolyIsEquivalent tongue tongue tongue
Thanx for saying the truth; though it's a bitter pill to swallow.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 12:11pm On Jan 08, 2014
Walexsammy: ...equivalent?.......lols, I tot we are talking abt HND here?, more ova am nt even talking of some courses we did in year 1
ND2 is 200 levels in d polytechnic system. I did linear algebra in ND2 in poly and in d university i also did it in 200 levels. I did math mthds I in ND2 and also did same mth mthds I in 200 levels in the uni.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 3:52pm On Jan 07, 2014
Walexsammy: lols, everytin u did in ND 1 and 2, I did in jst my year 2 and ure still argueing?
tell him the truth
Christianity EtcRe: Top 10 Richest Pastors In The World by zebra(m): 9:45am On Jan 07, 2014
blink182: 50% from Nigeria, religion is big business in this country.
No. Christianity is big biz in nigeria.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 7:00pm On Jan 05, 2014
Walexz02: you see your life? did I made mention that I took the courses during my hnd programme huh
they are cousres taken for ND programme.. you guys should fuccking stop being bias and face reality ok?
i'm tired of the bias posts i read here too. I wonder why some people cannot say the truth.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 6:31pm On Jan 04, 2014
speedyboi: First and foremost, Technologists do not work on field. Electricians and Technicians are not suppose to wire a house. Their job is to repair a damaged house wiring.

And the reason for specialization is just to aid Division of Labour and not for you to forget everyother thing! It's not a 'jack of all trade' bull, that's the right thing. What they call 'jack of all trade' is if I start to go and learn trade or one unrelated stuff with Engineering.

And you seem to concentrate on just ND students. We may spend 5 years in a Nigerian university, but HND holders also spent 4 years. 4 years is what Engineering takes normally. Nigerian universities just use first year to review secondary school subjects (yea, everything I did in 100l, I've already been taught in Secondary school) and to also drop students after the first year. Engineering starts in 200l in a Nigerian university, while it starts from ND1 in a Nigerian Polytechnic. So you are saying they were teaching them basics from ND1 to HND2 (4years)? seems you don't know what you are saying again.


It's just discrimination and stupi/d ego. Just like Nigerian Doctors have with other professionals in medicine. FINISH!
Thanx for this truth.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 8:56pm On Jan 02, 2014
@ayobase: Universities in Nigeria train engineers while polytechnics train engineering technologists. The mandate of universities in Nigeria is to train engineers and not engineering technologists. Pls.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 8:44pm On Jan 02, 2014
ayobase: Federal University of TECHNOLOGY is am ENGINEERING school aight?

And do u know that Technology is embedded in Engineering. Broad it is!

Maybe I should ask u question...are u implying that the Engineering students do no practical at all or how?

I still don't know what a Technologist, technician or electrician could do that an Engineer wouldn't be able to or not having idea of.

Only Electrical/Electronics Engineering has Power, Control, Electronics, and Comminication embedded. And what do u expect of such an Engineer.

What do u make out of our Swep I, Swep 2 and SIWES. Play?

Mechanical Engineering has its branches also, so also CHemical, Civil and the likes!

5yrs in University for a particular course. Do u really think it worth it to compare an OND holder, even HND holder!
U're still missing the point. Ur swep and siwes are to ensure u get practical training on design and not practical training on implementation of designs. U're not trained to operate machines and handle tools, the ND and HND holders are trained for that. Pls use google to see the difference btw engineering and engineering technology. Nawa o, another different argument again.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 3:53pm On Jan 02, 2014
Olril18: what a fool u are!!
nonsense post!!
u know what??,send all ur children to polytecnic
id.iot!
Stop insulting people. That's not the purpose of this thread. There are better and polite ways to express dissatisfaction or disagreeing with other peoples' opinions.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 3:49pm On Jan 02, 2014
Olril18: u are just contradicting urself..
Where is d contradiction in my post? I hope u know what u're saying sha?
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 9:21am On Jan 02, 2014
ayobase: I'm disappointed in you. Sorry to say.

U accepted the fact that an ideal HND holders is better than ideal B.Eng holder in terms of practical?
Pls donot be disappointed in me yet. The poly HND guys are technologist (applied engineers) while the BEng guys are engineers (theoretical engineers or designers), how then do u expect the technologists not to be better than the engineers in hands-on practical work? Like some of u have agreed before, technologists are trained to work with their hands while also using their brains, while engineers use their brains to work on designs. Why then do u expect them not to be good on what they are trained on? What i know is that the university engineering guys do more maths courses than the poly guys, that's one of the major differences btw them. U can google to see the difference btw engineering and engineering technology urself.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op):
It's not too stressful to get a Bsc compared to HND in Nigeria. U always have less courses to do in d uni, especially in d final year compared to the polytechnics in Nigeria. Why? I'm talking from experience. I did 8 courses plus project in my HND final semester, while i did only 4 courses plus project in my Bsc final semester. Can someone else also confirm this?
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 1:18pm On Jan 01, 2014
georgiobob: Ohhh naija, let us don't discourage HND holders, let HND holders learn from BSC holders and vice versa and either should develop themselves personally, and also improve the reading culture.
Truth
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 11:19am On Jan 01, 2014
A lot of people today do not want polytechnic education not because it's not good, but because of the discrimination against it by university graduates. The main question is why are the university graduates always afraid of the polytechnic graduates? Where are they always quick to say that poly HND is not equivalent to a Degree, even when it was meant to be so? Why are poly HND graduates who are given the opportunity to compete with Degree holders always meet expectations of doing well? Why is it that Nigerian HND holders who are doing Masters programs in some foreign countries with their Nigerian Bsc holders are also doing well and coping with the programs?
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 8:32pm On Dec 31, 2013
peter4d2: Hnd n bsc can neva be on d same level cos sum pple claim 2 hv had d priviledge of attendin both n still feel dat their OND rather HNd is far beta dan their degrees. My 1st year in school,we did a course called GNS 103 sociology n treated a topic also slated functionality d reason bin dat there must alwayz be an hieracy in all spheres of lyf like why a senator must earn n drive beta cars than its counterpart house of reps followin same way, why a professor must earn n drive beta cars too than a doctor lukin @ d education system but here u want 2 b treated with d same level has a degree holder hnd folks get real its is inevitable truth we r far beta n rwcongnised.
Recognized for what? For developing the country technologically? Pls we care to know.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 12:02pm On Dec 31, 2013
aydrees09: Does any poly offer Law ?
Yes, Diploma in Law. Hassan Usman Polytechnic, katsina.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 9:27am On Dec 31, 2013
gbengress1: After running through several posts on this topic, some things were crystal clear;
1. The Op is an HND holder
2.HND holders majorly base their arguments on US standards and informal statistics.
Now to my contribution, it is rather unfortunate that most people just jump into illogical conclusions that polytechnic graduates perform better in ICAN and other accounting related professional exams without any official statistics.
For your information, best students in the university are mostly chartered before the completion 4year programmes in the university.
More so, most of you always give much credence to YABATECH accounting graduates to the extent of even saying they are better than university graduates. YABATECH students can testify to the fact that they have hosted two consecutive accounting competitions involving polytechnics and universities which universities have always emerged as the winner. The most funniest part of it is that, the top 3 schools in the competitions were always universities.
During my days in the uni, polytechnic school has never emerge as the winner of any accounting quiz competition.
Point of correction, the OP holds HND and Bsc in statistics.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 9:26am On Dec 31, 2013
gbengress1: After running through several posts on this topic, some things were crystal clear;
1. The Op is an HND holder
2.HND holders majorly base their arguments on US standards and informal statistics.
Now to my contribution, it is rather unfortunate that most people just jump into illogical conclusions that polytechnic graduates perform better in ICAN and other accounting related professional exams without any official statistics.
For your information, best students in the university are mostly chartered before the completion 4year programmes in the university.
More so, most of you always give much credence to YABATECH accounting graduates to the extent of even saying they are better than university graduates. YABATECH students can testify to the fact that they have hosted two consecutive accounting competitions involving polytechnics and universities which universities have always emerged as the winner. The most funniest part of it is that, the top 3 schools in the competitions were always universities.
During my days in the uni, polytechnic school has never emerge as the winner of any accounting quiz competition.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 9:02am On Dec 31, 2013
I think without an empirical evidence we will never get to the end of this. There is a difference btw what the poly and varsity learn or teach, agreed. But is this difference significant? That should be the basis. Now let's do a statistical test to establish if the difference btw HND and Bsc is significant enough to say that the HND is not up to the level of a Bsc. Let someone list all the courses from year 1 in say mech engineering to year 5 and all courses from ND1 to HND2 in mech eng'ng also. Let's also do same for accounting, then statistics. Atleast all these courses are offered in both poly and uni in nigeria. We can compare and later test for significance. How do u guys see it? I can help with courses in Bsc statistics and ND/HND Statistics. Who else can help out in mech eng, and accounting? From what i experienced in statistics in both schools, the difference is mostly in the pure maths courses taken. Uni do more maths courses while the poly do more stats courses. Infact there are some stats courses we didn't do inthe Bsc stats program but did in the HND Stats program. Funny as it may sound i had a Doctor and a prof as part time lecturers when i was in the polytechnic.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 3:41am On Dec 31, 2013
I think without an empirical evidence we will never get to the end of this. There is a difference btw what the poly and varsity learn or teach, agreed. But is this difference significant? That should be the basis. Now let's do a statistical test to establish if the difference btw HND and Bsc is significant enough to say that the HND is not up to the level of a Bsc. Let someone list all the courses from year 1 in say mech engineering to year 5 and all courses from ND1 to HND2 in mech eng'ng also. Let's also do same for accounting, then statistics. Atleast all these courses are offered in both poly and uni in nigeria. We can compare and later test for significance. How do u guys see it?
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 12:31am On Dec 31, 2013
destino24: I guess it sounds too difficult to be possible at that level, huh? Well, it's true

I don't need to lie to score cheap points
Take it easy guy! Engineering students do algebra in 100 levels and not advanced algebra.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 11:15pm On Dec 30, 2013
rckdude: I doubt if he knows. That guy dey fall HND holders hand jare.
He told u guys he was a given a direct MS in the US with his HND, and u're asking him of PGD. He meant that he didn't have to do a PGD.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 9:09pm On Dec 30, 2013
Soyedele1: Mr Zebra, Na Fight? I guess You dont have Prof to lecture you grin grin grin

I feel your pains!! cheesy cheesy cheesy
Who dey fight who here? Sorry i'm 99% sure i went to the university before u, so why shld i feel any pains?
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 8:53pm On Dec 30, 2013
rckdude: Then I guess it won't be hard for you to state your school, faculty and department. Would it?
No mind that big liar. No be only 15 profs, na 51.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 8:47pm On Dec 30, 2013
rckdude: What university did u attend? I graduated from unilag; accounting, I was taught by just 2 profs, one just became a prof dt same year he taught us and I can count the number of times they came to class. We had more lecture 1 and 2 as our lecturers. We had no qualified lecturer to teach us Group accounts applying IFRS and my dpt engages tthe services of a renowned lecturer from yabatech to teach us on advanced FA. Am a proud akokite but we don't necessary have anything over yabatech in the accounting discipline.
Yes, even in ABU too. Most of our lecturers were Msc and PhD holders with probably 2 profs. Most of the profs were supervising Msc and PhD students and only sent graduate assistants under them to lecture for them. How many profs dey Mathematics dept ABU, zaria sef?
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 8:22pm On Dec 30, 2013
destino24: OP, where are you?
I dey one side dey watch.
EducationRe: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by zebra(op): 10:51am On Dec 30, 2013
zutu: B engr all the way!! I hate poly with passion.
u mean u hate technologists? It means u're not a good engineer. Do u do engineering work without technologists? Do u implement ur designs by urself? U have to work with them, they are part of the engineering team.

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