Mixty:

Hogwash
If that's the case, why is it that there are far more job opportunities for university graduates? Why are more BSc holders getting more well-paying jobs than HND folks? Why are HND holders crying about the few job and scholarship opportunities available to them.
BSc remains superior to HND. If you don't like that, well,...I can't help your case.

they get the jobs and scholarships because university graduates are all in-charge and not because uni grads are better than the poly grads.

Nigerian universities have been using their profs to churn out unskilled and unemployable graduates since 1914, while the polytechnics with their HND/Bsc/PGD and Msc lecturers have been churning out skillful, highly technical, and employable graduates. Which one is better? All stakeholders in the universities should accept this fact and think of how to resuscitate the system rather than claiming superiority when such does not exist.

This discrimination against HND in Nigeria is too much. Govt need to do something fast so as not to kill technological education in Nigeria.

UnimkeAk:


I don't really care which certificate is superior, I think it should be rated on the same level(that should be on going or already done by now)
But the population has led us to believe that Bsc is superior, this is what the majority thinks.
I don't really blame them, given the curriculum,plus other factors and number of years, you can clearly see that the Bsc guys have a wider curriculum base and You get to learn more.

I ve got a B.Eng in Civil Engr. Iv got frnds and colleagues with HND.
After school or while still in sch, if u don't undergo personal self development, then u'll be toast.. Period.
So tis not really about the Bsc/Hnd thing, its about developments in our line of work.

You're correct bro. One really needs to develop himself in whatever field u are to be able to make significant impact in that field. For the curriculum i think they are almost the same, it's the emphasis that differs. In engineering the uni guys take more maths courses than the poly guys while the poly guys take more technical courses than the uni guys. In other courses like statistics and accounting, the poly guys do more technical/practical courses than the uni. Knew this from my own personal research.

carik:



Will you ever understand that it was meant to serve different purpose but they are EQUIVALENT!

Don't bother urself, most of them ve problems understanding simple logic and maths. EQUIVALENCE is a word in logic and mathematics and the meaning is what most people here take for EQUALITY, whereas they are different but similar again. If they knew the meaning they probably won't be arguing.

Why is this always happening to GEJ? The other time it was his brother. Na wa o. Accept my condolence, GEJ. May her soul rest in peace.

Na wa o.

Coldplay007:
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Assignment on what topic? I could be of help.

billz009:
Anyday...Anytym...Anywhere....BSC is the best...y r people lyk this...if poly had been d best choice 4 you...y did u chose Uni...NO BE JAMB Bleep YOU UP!?...aagrrh!!...ACCEPT THE FACT...even in advanced countries...colleges r supreme to technical...so can some1 tel me why Nigeria wil be exempted...as a matter of fact...i can metion 10 poly that offer admission without jamb...so wat r u telling me?...abeg o...nd again...dey talk bullshit of practical...well...since u had no chance to be there...u can't knw wat am talking abt...#REP FUOYE!!

just the same way i can mention universities that give admission without JAMB too. Some people got admission thru Remedial/PreDegree programs without JAMB. It affects both sides bro.

UnimkeAk:


Don't be delusional brother, I'm not saying its right but that's the condition on ground presently in the labour market.

BSc is Superior to hnd.

In my lill knowledge, I tink (I stand to be corrected) Hnd guys are the technologist , say builders while the Bsc guys are the brains / designers.. So hnd are the oompa loompas of Bsc guys.

U're not correct. Say, Bsc guys are supposed to be designers. But today in Nigeria they graduate without being able to design for the HND guys who now design for themselves. Or u think in HND Engineering courses they are not taught how to design?

geedot:
Ðo you watch football at A̶̲̥̅̊ℓℓ?
The league you relegate to from the Premier league is called Championship!

ok, thanx.

geedot:
ℓ actually rep UI!
ℓ don't think this topic is really worth arguing ☺̴̩̩̥̩̩̩π.
Its Jυƨτ like comparing the English Premier League to The English Championship!
Why re you this bitter bro?
And mind you, no school in Nigeria would admit 100% of heя student based ☺̴̩̩̥̩̩̩π favoritism! A̶̲̥̅̊ℓℓ schools re trying to maintain a standard ₩hich is bound to drop drastically if they were to admit that way..
And who told you polytechnics admits strictly ☺̴̩̩̥̩̩̩π merit? Its far worse there;trust me

is there anything like English Championship? Were u trying to say European Championship?

Blurr:
Hnd superior to Bsc? @op wtf u saying?...
What an ironic post!

He's not talking about how people rate the certificate, rather he's saying that products of polytechnics are technically smarter than products of universities who read the same or similar course which i tend to agree with him based on experience. There are areas where the uni graduates do better, eg. in consulting firms where composure and confidence is required to attend to a client or audience. Most uni graduates are good orators.

Blurr:
Hnd superior to Bsc? @op wtf u saying?...
What an ironic post!

it may be true cos most graduates in Nigeria today, especially the ones from Nigerian universities are very incompetent and unemployable. They graduate without having any skills that can make them self reliant, that's why they always depend on govt to provide jobs for them where they can be claiming superiority over others with less contribution to the success of the work. They are unproductive.

At this point i think I agree with th OP on this because despite the lack of professors in d polytechnics as claimed by some uni graduates, inadequate funds, and all that, the polytechnic graduates still come out well skilled and knowledgeable to handle jobs and tasks, while the uni graduates come out naive and unskilled waiting to be trained on how to carry out the job or task.

carik:
Misplaced priorities

That's it.

Osahon7:
Mr Man! Polytechincs don't offer engineering! They offer Engineering technology...Poly graduates are technicians not Engineers! That's the problem with dis country! Everybody tinks he/she is Head..just know ur place in the society and dis country will move forward

Yes Mr man too, i never said poly graduates in engineering were engineers. Point of correction here, they are called engineering technologist when they graduate with HND and not technicians. ND holders are the technicians. They all play their roles excellently well as technologists and technicians because of the training they got in the polytechnics unlike the uni engineers that hardly come up with designs. Funny enough in Nigeria today the technologists design by themselves since the engineers can't come up with robust designs for them.

deeplow:
I wont even argue with anything you have written, but I saw a polytechnic graduate at a police station in Lagos today. She wrote a statement, and the I.P.O, who is an ordinary primary school leaving certificate holder, told her she wrote nonsense. She couldn't spell mother, couldn't spell simple english words. I was embarrassed.

Also, I have been to many polytechnics and interacted with some of them. While I agree that there are brilliant polytechnic students, I believe they make up just about 15 percent of the total population of the school.

if you assemble 20 students( uni and poly), you dont have to spend more than 5 minutes with them before you can single out the polytechnic students. From the way they dress, speak, behave. e.t.c . Anyway, just had to get that off my chest. My advice to anybody seeking admission, try to get a University Education at all cost.

I think u're drifting from the main argument. The argument is about who comes out better with knowledge and skills ready to work, and not about dressing, swag and all that. I've seen uni students and graduates who also can't write simple applications free from spelling errors, it happens to both uni and poly graduates in Nigeria.

QSheba:
If HND was superior to Bsc why did you apply to a uni in the first place

it is! Based on the knowledge and skills the poly graduates come out with, i believe it is. Apart from courses like medicine, vet medicine, pharmacy, law, and other courses that are restricted to uni alone, i think poly graduates come out better than uni graduates in courses such as engineering, architecture, surveying, comp sci, statistics, accounting, mgt, bus admin, etc that are offered in both uni and poly.

Why do so many uni graduates brag with their professors? Why do they see them as gods? These same people that have not been able to develop nor improve anything in Nigeria.

Mixty:

Stop consoling yourself. In your hearts of heart, you know that BSc is better. For every one successful HND holder, there are 1000+ successful BSc holders.

it should be about what u can do and not the paper qualification. The polytechnics train people to use their brains and hands to work. Why is it that uni graduates are always scared of their polytechnic counterparts in the same field if i may ask? I've witnessed this on several occasions. Why is it that poly graduates do better in certification exams if they were not well taught or trained? I think the uni education in Nigeria is just been over hyped by people who only have uni experience and have had nothing to do in the polytechnic before. Mind u I have passed thru both. Person wey say na him mama soup sweet pass neva taste anoda person mama own be dat.

Rexsul:
So y r Polytechnic lecturers University graduates? I wonda hw some pple Think

Not all of them. Some are polytechnic graduates.

Jelani Aliyu of General Motors USA attended a polytechnic in Nigeria and graduated with ND after turning down admission to study Architecture in a university. Nigerian polytechnics train people to be technically sound.

kayusbrown:


On the worth of certificate, PGD is required for further studies only in Nigeria. The admission of HND holders into Postgraduate Diploma programme while at the same time maintaining that HND is not equivalent to a bachelor's degree further exposes the hypocrisy of our educational policy. As for the USA, your assertion exposes you as ignorant of the realities like someone earlier opined. All academic qualifications obtained outside the US must pass through an evaluation process by a recognized credentials evaluation agency before they become tenable for postgraduate studies in the United States. One of such credentials evaluation agency is World Educational Services (www.wes.org). All those who I know have had their HND evaluated by WES were found eligible for direct admission to master's degree programs because their HND was found equivalent to bachelor's degree. The mistake most prospective students make when sending their HND for evaluation is sending the HND transcript alone. The HND qualification is based on the ND (a prerequisite) so both the ND and HND are evaluated together to determine the academic worth of the HND holder. It is the ND alone that is equivalent to Associate Degree in the US or BTEC-HND in the UK. So for those who are well-informed, they know the discrimination is only entrenched here.

Pls tell them. I'm so surprised that most of them are ignorant of the worth of the Nigerian ND+HND in the US based on WES evaluation.

sweetgala:


That is what some of this cowardly idiots here who would never serve in the army do not know.
An order which is not lawful can not be obeyed, and if obeyed that soldier bears the full consequence of his actions.

Honestly in a sane country the CO should ve been the fist to be court-marshalled. Soldiers are expected to be given atleast 3 loaded magazines each, and u give them just one magazine each and order them to go and fight BH. Is that not suicidal? That order is not a lawful one. As long as the soldiers know that they are entitled to atleast 90 rounds each they won't obey such an order. If they were given the right qty of rounds and they refused to obey that would ve been a different issue. Let them get good lawyers to defend them pls, it's there in the Armed Forces Act, section 56(1).

No10:
. You weren't there. You only heard from one side of the story. Beside,whether they were given empty cartridges they are obligated to obey orders. That's why it is the military.

No, it's not true, it's not just any order. The military Act, section 56(1) says a lawful command. If the order or command is not lawful don't expect any sensible soldier to obey such order cos they are not robots. Let dem get good lawyers to appeal their dismissal jo. God will fight for them.

deewon56:
Amen..compliment of d season once again

Thanx bro. How ur side?

Walexz02:

Mind them not my brother, i have stoped argueying with any tom and harry when this issue pops up.. What i ask of them is to give a levelled playing ground and truth shall be known.
Btw, compliments of the season

thanx bro! Compliments of the season too! Happy newyear. Things will work to our favor this 2015 by God's grace, Amen.

Walexz02:
^^
I think the ones who reason well are now coming back to their senses especially some private sectors.. Nigerians would soon realize and come back to what they have missed and still missing.

imagine how university engineering graduates look down at their counterparts from the polytechnics. They claim they are the designers while the poly guys only implement their designs, and yet none of them has designed anything economically meaningful. Here we have Jelani Aliyu, a polytechnic trained graduate designing for one of the world's leading automobile companies. Now, who is decieving Nigerians?

Look at Jelani Aliyu who designs cars for General Motors in the US. He left the university to study in the polytechnic because the university curriculum was too theoretical and doesn't meet his needs. He wanted something practical and opted for polytechnic education. Today Nigerian polytechnic products are honored and respected by Americans and the rest of the world, while Nigerians look down at them.

elbee56:


You are just too timid, which school did you even graduate from that makes you doubt what WES confirmed. Hmmmm
This is a BSc holder o

Don't blame him alone. Many graduates in Nigeria do not know what WES stands for or what they do.

deedav:
Greetings to all great statisticians in the house!!!!

Statistics is a great field, I believe it equips one with the ability to see logically, think logically, take logical decisions and even critique illogicality.
Depending on which sector one wishes to dive into, there's that crystal clear need for one not only to understand data but understand the workings, operations and mechanism in that sector which bring about the data in other for one to be relevant and be more proficient and effective.

Statistics is the larger body, it now boils down to you discerning where you fit in the broad field of human life be it in Engineering, Public Health, Behavioural sciences, Actuarial sciences, Population Studies etc.

thank you!

I studied Demography and Social Statistics.

Good my broda. I'm a practising statistician too.