anukulapo: Mark 16:17-18 KJV .
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; ...

Many have been questioned "are you born again with the evidence of speaking in tongues?"

The above scripture seems to be their reference and instances from the book of acts.

I wonder why they don't ask of other signs like "...with the evidence of casting out devils" or "...with the evidence of drinking deadly things and not being hurt?" And so on.

We know that "if any have not the spirit of christ, he's none of his"
Therefore,if the evidence of receiving the spirit is tongues,non tongue speakers are not going to be with christ for & in eternity?

Thanks. I await your clarifications.

Ihedinobi: Also, anukulapo, the 14th chapter is not that long. What passage did you mean?

anukulapo:

14th chapter of which book? Mark or romans?

anukulapo: Good explanation and to back up one of you points

"However, ignorance or not, the moral value of
the act remains the same. Those first two
students did in fact fail"

Luke 14:42-48...tips can also be gathered to buttress your point from there and from the parable of talents too

However,my last post have not been cleared.
Attn:all and goshen360
Thanks all.

ATMC: Tx bro goshen, i like u a lot, u know dt? U nd other brethren should clear me on this: when jesus said dt d sin against d holy spirit shall not be forgiven neither in this world nor in d world to come, does it mean dt there r sins dt can be forgiven in d world to come, cos of late i'm begining to believe dt there is forgiveness in d world to come except dt a certain sin wont be forgiven as such. This has made me to think about d roman catholics nd d church of jesus christ of d latter day's saint, who pray for d dead, how come about this revelation to them?

Mr_Anony:
I am curious about the possibility of sin, repentance and forgiveness in the world to come

Ihedinobi: Thanks, my brother (you're male, right?), for clearing that up. It was indeed an eye-opener.

Ubenedictus: actually it isnt only the catholic church and lata day saints that pray to the ''dead". All the churches that existed before 1500 pray to the ''dead'' and high anglicans and jews do the same. To talk about pray to the ''dead'' is insultive to a catholics becos the bible makes it clear that there are no "dead" in christ. If you 'left this word' a xtain then you are alive in christ you are not dead you are alive, infact you have an abundance of life. If you are a big fan of christain history then you have probably heard about the apostles creed the last part says ''i believe in the holy spirit, the holy catholic church the communion of saints the forgiveness of sins the resurrection of d body and life everlasting''. The phase i want talk about is 'the communion of saints' if you read you bible well you will find out that the saint are *believer on earth *those in heaven *and those undergoing 'salvation by fire. The doctrine of d communion of saint say that the believer on earth, the saints in heaven and those 'going thru fire' are one body of christ, one church. Just the way the all parts of a human body help each other, so must the part of christ body so the believer on earth(militant), in heaven(glorious) and those going thru purgation are in communion. That mean in christ well have access to one another even those who have left this world. Just the way a protestant can ask his pastor to pray for him a catholic can ask the saint and angels and humans to pray for him since they are all brethren in christ, a catholic can also pray directly to God. That is the almost complete doctrine of the communion of saints. The last part of the doctrine is purgatory after reading these passages of scripture and the witness of the apostles the early xtains also believed that some sins can be forgiven in the other world. The state or place of in which such sin are dealt with is call purgatory. To be continued.

ATMC: u missed something in my post. I wasn't referring to praying 'to' but 'for' the dead. They differ.
R u in essence saying there's such thing as purgatory?

ATMC: u missed something in my post. I wasn't referring to praying 'to' but 'for' the dead. They differ.
R u in essence saying there's such thing as purgatory?

Ubenedictus: in essence yes, im saying that even after death God may still be merciful and grant salvation 1cor 3:15 clarifys that even if a mans work is burnt up he will suffer loss yet he will be saved, but only as through fire. So simply put xtian who made little mistakes of imperfection before they died may still go to heaven but they must suffer loss and their imperfection must be cleansed because nothing defiled can enter into heaven. One can pray for them since we belong to one body in christ and ask God to quicken their purification and grant them rest in his kingdom. That is the last part of the doctrine of the communion of saints. The saints can join you in prayer and you can pray for those who havent yet experienced the beatific vision.
Peace be with u.

Ihedinobi:

Wrong, my brother. But since you said that the Bible is not your final authority, I won't pursue it. I'll only say that your interpretation of 1 Cor 3:15 is terribly wrong.

Ubenedictus: i said d word of God is my authority, besides i would luv to hear ur interpretation.
Peace.

Ihedinobi:

The problem here is that for me, the Bible = the Word of God, whereas that equation may not be strictly true for you, I do not know. If we have disagreement as to what to appeal to as final arbiter, then our discussion will be endless and meaningless.

For instance, to interpret that verse, I will compare other parts of the Bible to it. I will make no appeal outside of the Bible. My reason/logic will serve only point out how one part of the Bible upholds the other so that both say a coherent thing, it will not bring in new, independent information to buttress or excuse anything that is in the Bible.

That's why interpreting this verse is quite pointless. If you'll accept my position, I will interpret it and if you have a contrary view, you can show that the Bible supports it. But if you intend to appeal outside the Bible at any point, obviously, we'll never agree.

Ubenedictus: even d bible appeals to outside authority and d bible certainly tell christians to hold on to tradition. And yes i believe d bible is d word of God even though not every word God spoke is recorded. You can go on with ur explanation, i have no problem discussing using d bible.
Peace

Ihedinobi:

May I request that you join me at this thread, www.nairaland.com/1009653/grace-why-works-let-us#1009653.10 ? I am discussing on it with my brother, Mr Anony, Pastor AIO, and a few others.

Ubenedictus: im already there, that is a discussion on grace right?
Peace