debosky:

It is under dispute by ijawkid - did Moses do exactly the same thing as what Jesus did as saviour? That is the question here. You may claim I am 'twisting' words here, but I am not - I have simply quoted what Ijawkid has said.

Simple yes or not to the above question will suffice.

Ihedinobi:

Poor Frosbel. Please tell me that it isn't just now that you're realizing how utterly out of your depths you are in this discussion. You batted way out of your league attacking the Trinity. That's why you keep foundering, dude. But of course you won't quit punishing yourself, will you?

6 The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place."

12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

debosky:

I don't know whether the ability to comprehend posts is now optional.

This is what ijawkid said:



If it is the EXACTLY THE SAME thing but on a grander scale, then Moses provided eternal life just as Jesus did, but Jesus provided it to more people.

ijawkid:

It seems u forgot when I told you that Jesus's assignment is one that is done on a greater scale....

You had a problem with the title saviour so I had to make it clear to you that despite the fact that other saviours had been chosen in d past,it doesn't negate Yahweh being the saviour of all.....didn't I tell u exactly what I just wrote??

My final point was that all the agents Yahweh used including Jesus @ one point in time or the other were chosen and appointed by Yahweh....

None,I repeat none assumed that post on there own or with there own power...

Yahweh always does the choosing and the anointing.....

If u can't understand this basic truth then I don't know what to tell u anymore....

I gave u the example of aaron and Jesus(who are both high priests,but Jesus's assignment weightier)...

I even quoted hebrews 5:4 $ 5

4 And no one takes this
honor on himself, but he receives it when
called by God, just as Aaron was.
5 In the same way, Christ did not take on
himself the glory of becoming a high priest.
But God said to him,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.”

......
Jesus assignment is weightier and ofcus he is greater than all the other saviours Yahweh had chosen in the past....but Yahweh is greater than all of them(including Jesus).....

Yahweh does the choosing....

Do u get it mr trinitarian??.....

Yahweh is greater than Jesus,Jesus is greater than man.....

Yahweh appointed Jesus as saviour...if Yahweh didn't,Jesus wouldn't be....

If u forget this principle always go back to 1 corinthians 11:3.....

Quote from a Brother in Christ


The "trinity" is an insult to Jesus. That is how it destroys, at least in the mind, the Divine Plan's all encompassing doctrine of the Ransom. That is wHy the "trinity" is not only an impossibility, but is a poisonous philosophy contrary to the Bible Plan of Redemption of mankind. It robs the Father of His sovereignty and uniquness as sole Creator and God alone. [II Kings 19:15] It robs Him of His Fatherhood. [Matt 6:9] It brings Him down from heaven, from where He is, outside His own Creation.

It robs Jesus as well. It robs him of his sonship. It robs him of his role as our "High Priest." A priest ministers unto God. "For every High Priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God....so also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but He that said unto him, 'thou art my son, to day have I begotten thee." [Hebrews 5:1-5] Thusly, it also robs him of the success of his mission on earth, which not only was the redemption of all mankind, but as stated in the verse, and repeated so many times by our Lord Jesus, his mission was to glorify HIS God. [John 21:19] And obviously, since Jesus HAS a God, [Matthew 27:46] he cannot also BE that God, and so it robs him of his role of servant, ever subject to his God. [I Cor 15:24-28]

It also robs the Bible of its force, destroying the beautiful archetypical pictures of the Heavenly Father and His only-begotten Son, such as Pharaoah and Joseph, [Genesis 41:41-44] Abraham and Isaac, [Genesis 22:2] and Moses and Aaron, [Exodus 7:1] to name a few.

And finally, it robs us, of our opportunity to know the True God, and the true Jesus whom He sent. [John 17:3] And most devastatingly, (if it were true), it would rob us of our opportunity to live again, by denying the "Ransom," putting an un-dieable "God on the cross" in place of our Redeemer, our REAL "corresponding price" for Adam, "the MAN Christ Jesus," who alone perfectly balanced the scales of Divine Justice, to the satisfaction of the Creator, his and ours. [John 20:17]

Enigma:


Well, honestly the below is not meant as punishment for my friend frosbel, honestly. Well hmmm, maybe . . .

In any event, I'd like to put the passages together for his further consideration. (I am using NIV which I think he said he preferred)


Revelation 22

Ihedinobi:

lol.... You know why I keep reading? It's because you guys are comical and because my brothers are seriously educating me.

You say there is one God and no trinity, then to prove it, you show us how there are myriad gods of which Yahweh and Jesus are two. The difference is simply that Yahweh is Almighty, Jesus is Mighty and the other gods are.........

Ok. You quote the Scripture say that there is only one Savior and it is Yahweh then you begin to make a case for a host of saviors of which Jesus is an excelling one.

You accuse holders of the Trinity of attempting to rewrite the Bible and proceed to "correct" every bit of Scripture that pokes huge holes in your ridiculous arguments.

Shall I go on? You guys are incredibly confused. And all because you cannot accept a God that does not fit into your finite imagination. Too bad, man, too bad.

I like the entertainment though. Please don't stop.

Ihedinobi:

lol @bolded. Badt guy ni

frosbel:

As someone remarked in another post where you were hanging on to the coattails of Mr. Annoy , You are incapable of original thought.

Be careful before you are considered a clown in this enviroment.

Night !

frosbel:

As someone remarked in another post where you were hanging on to the coattails of Mr. Annoy , You are incapable of original thought.

Be careful before you are considered a clown in this enviroment.

Night !

frosbel:

As someone remarked in another post where you were hanging on to the coattails of Mr. Annoy , You are incapable of original thought.

Be careful before you are considered a clown in this enviroment.

Night !

Ihedinobi:

Don't keep trying to convince yourself that what you consider me to be costs me thought at all. It doesn't, dude. I really couldn't care less if you thought I was a rampaging maniac or an annoying retard. I am me, not what Frosbel thinks I am

And unlike you, I've got very intelligent and growing brothers. Sometimes they speak so well that the best I can do is shut up and listen. You keep trying to get me to speak, Frosbel. You want another beating up? We've squared off against each other before and I wasn't even an aggressor then. You proved then that you are very slow in thought. You are in search of notoriety. I don't care for that. But back when we faced each other, Frosbel, wet behind the ears as I was, you still foundered just as you're doing here and now. Your best comebacks were "you're using human knowledge and not quoting scripture", remember?

I'm not gonna join the fray just cos you want it. I love the sidelines. They're great positions for education.

frosbel:


I repeat , you are incapable of original thought.

Goshen360: New International Version (©1984)
For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth. 2 Corinthians 13:8

Fight it from night till dawn......we cannot do anything AGAINST the truth.....una well done!

Goshen360: New Living Translation (©2007)
For we cannot oppose the truth, but must always stand for the truth. 2 Corinthians 13:8.

And the truth remains.....God is God, Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Spirit is God. This is the bible truth.

ijawkid:

My brother.....how far??

Where u go since??....

Welcome bro.....how things??

ijawkid:

Sorry o my brother...

Which of them is the almighty??

Are they all co-eaual??isn't 1 greater than the other??

Because na d wahala wey dey here since....

Bible say Yahweh na almighty,trinitarians say na lie na Jesus....Jesus use him own mouth say I be servant of Yahweh,trinitarians say na lie na him be God gan gan.....

Them argue so tay them forget to add the holy spirit as almighty....

I feel the holy spirit(if its a person) is always been cheated when it comes to this trinity wahala........

Goshen360: New International Version (©1984)
For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth. 2 Corinthians 13:8

Fight it from night till dawn......we cannot do anything AGAINST the truth.....una well done!

frosbel:

What Truth , you mean the farce of the Pagan Trinity

frosbel:


I repeat , you are incapable of original thought.

truthislight:
Imagine! You that dont want people to be deceived have quoted a language that they cant read!
How deceitful you are!

Those that are expert in the greek language have gone through that scripture over and over and did come to the conclussion that the kjv is in error and decided what is right, but it is those that cant cant speak greek that u have brought it to again.
Do they speak Greek or they speak 1. English, 2. Hausa, 3. Igbo, 4. Yoruba.

Still the old same deceit.

frosbel:
A copy and paste Job with the intention of appearing a step above the rest intellectually

debosky:

I don't know whether the ability to comprehend posts is now optional.

This is what ijawkid said:



If it is the EXACTLY THE SAME thing but on a grander scale, then Moses provided eternal life just as Jesus did, but Jesus provided it to more people.

debosky:

It is under dispute by ijawkid - did Moses do exactly the same thing as what Jesus did as saviour? That is the question here. You may claim I am 'twisting' words here, but I am not - I have simply quoted what Ijawkid has said.

Simple yes or not to the above question will suffice.

debosky:

I did read it, did you state how many 'firsts and lasts' there were in scripture?

More importantly, I have shown that, in the OT, the term first and last referred to Jehovah alone - so why is that term suddenly different in Revelations?

aletheia:

Hehehe. Clearly the "cut-and-paste" jibes are getting to you. In any case, if you weren't so lazy mentally you could easily verify all that I had written in respect of the Textus Receptus Greek text and your Roman Catholic Church favored Westcort-Hott versions. My what a hypocrite you are! It turns out that the Bible translations you prefer are based off of manuscripts sponsored by Constantine and kept by the Roman Catholic Church.

I challenge you to show that everything I wrote in that post is a cut-and-paste job or be shown to be a liar.

Goshen360:

My dearest brother. I will NEVER continue this debate with you. Like I said in my comment above, If the bible calls the Father God, Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit God.....I don't think I have problem with that sir. If it is the word "Trinity" that doesn't appear in the bible, that's fine but for me to fight against bible truth, I will NEVER do it.

1. Do you believe that God is ONE?

2. Do you believe that The Father is God?

3. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God?

4. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is God?

6 The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place."

12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”