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Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 5:52pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: Mate , some of us have Jobs, I type like a maniac and sometimes come back to edit my grammar. Grow up and show some respect to a sister. Stick to the points ! |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 5:54pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Lol Frosbel, what's eating you? I got time to listen, dude. And it gets boring when no one's talking. Regardless, when you have done your j.o.b for the day, do get to my question so that I'll see if your current state of mind can at all support a reasonable conversation. Lol |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by truthislight: 8:39pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
frosbel:^^^ Can you give further clarification on this? In Which bible is Jesus ever refered to as "almighty" God in is own right? Even of the "new creation" i have not seen any where the bible refers to christ as "almighty" Hmmm! Wonders shall never end! |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by plappville(f): 12:31pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: My broda, the bible told us that In the Image of God created He male and female, so God's image is upon man, consists, In his nature, not that of his body, for God has not a body. In Luke 24:39 Jesus clearly said a spirit does not have flesh and bones. God, therefore, being a spirit does not have physical form. and also Christ this verse says (John 4:24). By nature, God is a Spirit-being. So if you know that Man was created of the image of Angels as well, that one, na you sabi. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by plappville(f): 12:34pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: What was edited? |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 12:35pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
plappville: He is too 'intelligent' to understand such simple logic. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 3:16pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
plappville: Na wa o. Lady, either man was created in the Image of God where God = God + "his only begotten and the host of angels" or that verse is lying. Which is it? That is the conundrum that your explanation offers. As for all the "man was created in the image of God in his nature and not in his body" and "God is a spirit-being", they're unnecessary to the question I asked you and confuse your answer. I have not engaged you at length before, so I will tell you, lady, what I have told Frosbel champion of the campaign against the Trinity and it is this: to deny the Trinity, lady, you have to rewrite the whole Bible and redefine Christianity from beginning to end. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 3:18pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: what utter imcomprehensibkle nonsense To reject the Trinity is to reject Heresy. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 3:18pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: what utter incomprehensible nonsense To reject the Trinity is to reject Heresy. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 3:50pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
frosbel: Do you realize that your intellect is eroding on a daily basis? You're finding more and more things incomprehensible. Smh |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 3:55pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: My intellect is sound , even sounder than yours, I use it everyday to solve complex problems with good results |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 4:02pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
frosbel: Good for you, buddy. 1 Like |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by PastorKun(m): 7:04pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: It is actually you trinitarians that are trying to re write the bible as the pagan concept is clearly not in the bible neither does it have any basis in christianity. The doctrine actually contradicts the teachings of christ in the bible as christ made it clear the father is greater than he is. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by ijawkid(m): 7:19pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Pastor Kun: It still baffles me how trinitarians are saying Jesus is lying or was on some wine when he said the Father is greater than he(Jesus).... Simple statement...but paganism would make many argue over a fact that has been stamped..... December is coming soon....they'll soon celebrate the birth day of God... Pagans worship triad Gods and celebrate the birth days of these Gods so also trinitarians.... Infact the reason why the founders of the doctrine are so itchy to make Jesus the almighty or equal to Yahweh is so that it can corroborate with there pagan counterparts who celebrate the birthdays of there Gods...... Its all clear to me now... 1 Like |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 7:57pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
ijawkid: They would be making Jesus a liar for saying he is Yahweh; because he never claimed to be Yahweh anywhere in the Bible. It's all Paganism!! |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 8:17pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Pastor Kun: |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by debosky(m): 9:02pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Pastor Kun: I don't know about 'who is greater' and so on, but do you agree with the name given to Jesus as predicted in Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor,Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. What does this name 'Mighty God' mean to you? |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 9:07pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
debosky: Isaiah 9:6 “And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace….” (NIV) 1. Trinitarians should admit that this verse is translated improperly just from the fact that Jesus is never called the “Everlasting Father” anywhere else in Scripture. Indeed, Trinitarians correctly deny that Jesus is the “Everlasting Father.” It is a basic tenet of Trinitarian doctrine that Christians should “neither confound the Persons nor divide the Substance” (Athanasian Creed). Thus, if this verse is translated properly, then Trinitarian Christians have a real problem. However, the phrase is mistranslated. The word translated “everlasting” is actually “age,” and the correct translation is that Jesus will be called “father of the [coming] age.” In the culture of the Bible, anyone who began anything or was very important to something was called its “father.” For example, because Jabal was the first one to live in a tent and raise livestock, the Bible says, “he was the father of those who live in tents and raise livestock” (Gen. 4:20). Furthermore, because Jubal was the first inventor of musical instruments, he is called, “the father of all who play the harp and flute” (Gen. 4:21). Scripture is not using “father” in the sense of literal father or ancestor in these verses, because both these men were descendants of Cain, and all their descendants died in the Flood. “Father” was being used in the cultural understanding of either one who was the first to do something or someone who was important in some way. Because the Messiah will be the one to establish the age to come, raise the dead into it, and rule over it, he is called “the father of the coming age. ” 2. The phrase “Mighty God” can also be better translated. Although the word “God” in the Hebrew culture had a much wider range of application than it does in ours, the average reader does not know or understand that. Readers familiar with the Semitic languages know that a man who is acting with God’s authority can be called “god.” Although English makes a clear distinction between “God” and “god,” the Hebrew language, which has only capital letters, cannot. A better translation for the English reader would be “mighty hero,” or “divine hero.” Both Martin Luther and James Moffatt translated the phrase as “divine hero” in their Bibles. (For more on the flexible use of “God,” see the notes on Heb. 1:8. 3. A clear example that the word translated “God” in Isaiah 9:6 can be used of powerful earthly rulers is Ezekiel 31:11, referring to the Babylonian king. The Trinitarian bias of most translators can be clearly seen by comparing Isaiah 9:6 (el = “God”) with Ezekiel 31:11 (el = “ruler”). If calling the Messiah el made him God, then the Babylonian king would be God also. Isaiah is speaking of God’s Messiah and calling him a mighty ruler, which of course he will be. The phrase translated “Mighty God” in Isaiah 9:6 in the NIV in the Hebrew, el gibbor. That very phrase, in the plural form, is used Ezekiel 32:21 where dead “heroes” and mighty men are said, by the figure of speech personification, to speak to others. The phrase in Ezekiel is translated “mighty leaders” in the NIV, and “the strong among the mighty” in the KJV and NASB. The Hebrew phrase, when used in the singular, can refer to one “mighty leader” just as when used in the plural it can refer to many “mighty leaders.” 4. The context illuminates great truth about the verse, and also shows that there is no justification for believing that it refers to the Trinity, but rather to God’s appointed ruler. The opening verse of the chapter foretells a time when “there will be no more gloom for those in distress.” All war and death will cease, and “every warrior’s boot…will be destined for burning” (v. 5). How will this come to pass? The chapter goes on: “for to us a child is born and to us a son is given” (v. 6). There is no hint that this child will be “God,” and reputable Trinitarian scholars will assert that the Jews of the Old Testament knew nothing of an “incarnation.” For them, the Messiah was going to be a man anointed by God. He would start as a child, which of course Yahweh, their eternal God, could never be. And what a great ruler this man would grow to be: “the government will be on his shoulders. A[b]nd he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty Hero, Father of the Coming Age, Prince of Peace.”[/b] Furthermore, “he will reign on David’s throne (v. 7), which could never be said of God. God could never sit on David’s throne. But God’s Messiah, “the Son of David,” could (Matt. 9:27, et al). Thus, a study of the verse in its context reveals that it does not refer to the Trinity at all, but to the Messiah, the son of David and the Son of God. Buzzard, pp. 45 and 51 Farley, pp. 47-49 Morgridge, pp. 105 and 106 Snedeker, pp. 397-403 http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/isaiah-9-6 |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by debosky(m): 9:16pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Here Jesus clearly states that God gave him children , so he is their father. Care to explain how Jesus is 'Almighty' and a god in his own right? How many gods are there? Secondly, please comment on this: I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:11 If there is no Saviour besides Jehovah, can you explain what role Jesus plays, in the light of him being a 'god in his own right' and also Almighty? Is Jesus the saviour - the only saviour? Thirdly, please comment on this: I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name LORD[a] I was not known to them. Exodus 6:3 [a]Hebrew YHWH, traditionally Jehovah. God appeared to Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty - is this a different 'Almighty' from Jesus or the same one? This verse shows that God showed himself as God Almighty but not YHWH - does that not clearly state that God Almighty and YHWH are one and the same? I would appreciate your views on this brother, not references to long external articles but your views please. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Enigma(m): 9:21pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
^^^^ Excellent post And I add the below (even knowing the interpretation efforts of some people on the passage) Revelation 1:8 NASB*
*Don't know if NASB is acceptable; I used it simply because I'm aware people have issues with either KJV or NIV! |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by danwo: 9:30pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
My last post with one of my fav lyrics [size=14pt]Mary, did you know[/size] Mary, did you know that your baby boy will one day walk on water? Mary, did you know that your baby boy will save our sons and daughters? Did you know, that your baby boy has come to make you new? This child that you've delivered, will soon deliver you. Mary, did you know that your baby boy will give sight to a blind man? Mary, did you know your baby boy will calm a storm with his hand? Did you know, that your baby boy has walked where angels trod? When you kiss your little baby, you've kissed the face of God. The blind will see The deaf will hear The dead will live again. The lame will leap The dumb will speak The praises of The Lamb. Mary, did you know that your baby boy is Lord of all creation? Mary, did you know that your baby boy will one day rule the nations? Did you know, that your baby boy is heaven's perfect lamb? This sleeping child you're holding, is the great I AM. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Enigma(m): 9:32pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
@danwo Oga, I think I recognise numbers man but even if I'm wrong my warm greetings. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 9:37pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
danwo: My last post with one of my fav lyricsWHAT YOU MEAN YOUR LAST POST ? YOU GETTING RAPTURED TONIGHT ? |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by danwo: 9:37pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Enigma: @danwo Enigma! I doff my hat. "Wa ri emii ta" "I'm out!!" just like they say on Dragon's Den. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Enigma(m): 9:39pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
Peace, my bros. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 9:55pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
look at the trintarian worshippers falling over themselves to congratulate each other. They have scored a sucker punch or so they think , lol. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 10:00pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
ALL THESE TRINITY PEOPLE NEED TO BE THOROUGHLY LASHED WITH LANYARD FOR PEDDLING THAT HERESY. 1 Like |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by debosky(m): 10:03pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
frosbel: look at the trintarian worshippers falling over themselves to congratulate each other. I am not a 'trinitarian' - or any other such term. This tendency to brand people simply because they don't hold the same view as you is wrong. Let's have a serious discussion without name calling, based on the bible, not pre-conceived notions about what the other person's position is. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 10:04pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
[quote author=debosky] I meant to say Mighty , a point of correction. My bad The verse reads as follows : Isaiah 9:6 New King James Version (NKJV) 6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Secondly, please comment on this: Who initiated the plan of salvation, in other words who sent his Son to die for your sins And if it is God , what do we call him ? You guys need to slow down . Thirdly, please comment on this: Again the word used was Mighty not Almighty. Kindly consider the following verses, New International Version (©1984) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. New Living Translation (©2007) For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty [/b]God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [b]English Standard Version (©2001) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty [/b]God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [b]New American Standard Bible (©1995) For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty [/b]God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. [b]King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty [/b]God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [b]GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, [b]Mighty [/b]God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. I would appreciate your views on this brother, not references to long external articles but your views please What is wrong with references |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 10:07pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
debosky: My dear you guys believe in the Trinity , what shall I call you ? |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 10:07pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
danwo: I go die oooooo |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 10:08pm On Sep 25, 2012 |
I throw open a challenge to all Nairaland Trinitarians . Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where Jesus Christ is referred to as ALMIGHTY ? |
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