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Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by plappville(f): 10:24am On Sep 27, 2012 |
ijawkid: @all trinitarians.... GOOD JOB SO FAR BROS !! |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by truthislight: 10:54am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Goshen360: When Adam was confronted with his sin, he immediately passed the blame onto the woman, who immediately passed the blame onto the serpent. Yet, when the Serpent (Satan) was confronted with his sin, he offered no excuse. The closer you are to truth (i.e., God) the less you can make excuses. Satan, though not right with God, does walk in the very presence of God (Job 1:6-7). Because he walks in the very presence of such great light, there is nowhere to hide the truth and thus pass the buck. Just to add to the serpent issue. Adam in the garden was not asked to eat meat but was later asked to eat meat after the flood of noah, that God did explained the new standard to noah does not change the fact that when man was perfect and connected(close) to God he had no need to eat other animal. This is a change to human perfection and his food, why is it not then possible for a change to the serpent also? It is not because the serpent is close to the ground but rather a change in the nature of the serpent and it food. Peace. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by truthislight: 11:00am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Goshen360: the bible did not call the holy spirit God. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by truthislight: 11:04am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Goshen360: the bible did not seperat the holy spirit and call it God, the holy spirit is Yahweh's power in action. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by debosky(m): 12:45pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
truthislight: Grander scale implies only the size is different - however the difference is far more fundamental. grand-scale adjective: of large proportion, extent, magnitude, etc.: grand-scale efforts; a grand-scale approach. In essence, grand-scale refers ONLY to the extent - e.g. Moses saved Israelites from physical bondage, Jesus saved Mankind from physical bondage. However, we know that Jesus does something Moses can never do - He gives eternal life. Eternal life is [b]not the exact same thing [/b]as what Moses did! truthislight: There is only one Saviour - Jehovah. He is THE Saviour - if Jesus is also THE Saviour then he is God! |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by debosky(m): 12:48pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
truthislight: You tell me. Point out where this "name" has been used anywhere in the bible except for in reference to God Almighty - excluding the one in question of course. I posit that if there is no other reference in the bible to first and the last except to God ALmighty, then there is no basis for making a 'contextual' interpretation in this sole case. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by ijawkid(m): 12:51pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
debosky: If moses is saviour ,then moses is God too.... Put on your thinking caps and forsake the trinity..... It won't kill you to embrace truths that are staring @ you.... Let me coach you a little... Jesus is called an"" apostle""...... All the 12 are also called apostles.... Are the apostles Jesus?? Or is Jesus the same with peter,john etc?? |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by debosky(m): 1:03pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
ijawkid: Stop being foolish - I am talking about THE SAVIOUR, not one of many.
You need to coach yourself first. An apostle is different from The apostle, just as The Saviour is different from A Saviour. There can be numerous 'a saviours' but only one 'The saviour'. You do not comprehend what 'exactly the same' but on a 'grander scale' means, you do not comprehend the difference between 'a saviour' and 'The saviour'. You are completely unable to understand these are basic grammatical differences so I will refrain from proceeding with you to prevent further circular arguments. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 1:19pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
debosky: Debosky , while you at it with your comrade, can you kindly help me understand how God will call God my God |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Enigma(m): 1:26pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
frosbel: Debosky , while you at it with your comrade, can you kindly help me understand how God will call God my God Look in here ----- carefully. You might just see the answer or at least beginnings of it. Hebrews 1 (NIV) 8 But about the Son he {i.e. God The Father} says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. Please note these two things carefully. 1. God the Father called The Son Jesus "O God". 2. The passage also says to Jesus ---- "God, your God". |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 1:29pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Enigma: Question not for you, mind your business I wait for Bro. Debosky to reply. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Enigma(m): 1:33pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
frosbel, frosbel, frosbel For your own sake ------- are you really interested in what the Bible says at all? Are you interested in what God The Father Himself says? Are you interested in what Jesus Christ says? If God The Father says something are you so conceited to treat what God the Father says with levity? |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by debosky(m): 1:41pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
frosbel: Do you understand how Mighty 'god' will call God my God? |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 1:46pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
debosky: Mighty god is not Almighty god. I thought this was explained to you a few pages away |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by debosky(m): 1:48pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
frosbel: I didn't say they were the same thing did I? I simply asked, do you understand the above? Please humour me - once you answer I will answer your question. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 1:49pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Enigma: frosbel, frosbel, frosbel You my friend do not seem to be interested one iota in what god says, you are clutching at straws on a number of random verses which have been explained time and time again , but you seem to cherish repetition , I have no time for that. For one you insult our God by dividing him into 3 parts, all equal but somehow 3 different persons Come out of that Trinity Coma and receive the light. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 1:51pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
debosky: Humour you ? Your comments alone are enough to write the script for a comedy . |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Enigma(m): 1:51pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
@ frosbel Hebrews 1:8 (GWT) But God said about his Son, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice. Words of God the Father ------ not Enigma's words . . . . . . . |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by debosky(m): 1:52pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
frosbel: I go comot cane for you oh - answer jor! |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by ijawkid(m): 1:56pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
debosky: Your just running away from truth...... Its in front of you...keep running...it'll surely catch up with you..... Keep deluding yourself with the pagan triology.... When I eat well I'll come handle u.... |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by ijawkid(m): 1:59pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Enigma: @ frosbel It might surprise you to know that there are about 3 ways in which that verse was translated from the original texts... But trinitarians chose one because they want to hold on to that pagan formular... But the next verse (9) says that God that was annointed has a God.... And many scriptures have proven that Jesus has a Father and God....and that we share the same God with Jesus.... You guys need to throw away the trinity dogma... Its spurious and useless.... Please pick up a GOODnews bible and look up the foot note for hebrews 1:8... When you do that come back and let's discuss...... |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 3:02pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Enigma: @ frosbel Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." There is some uncertainty as to the precise translation of this verse. Two possibilities exist: "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever" (A.V.) "God is thy throne for ever and ever" (R.S.V. mg.) Since only the first of these translations is useful for the trinitarian, it will be assumed that this is the correct translation. "Therefore God, even thy God" (vs. 9) is evidence that Christ is not the "Eternal Son". Since the Father is the God of Jesus, then clearly Jesus is not himself "Very God". (See also John 20:17). Hebrews 1:8 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6. In this Psalm the Hebrew word "elohim" is translated "God". The word "elohim" is used of Moses relationship with Pharaoh: "And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god {elohim} to Pharaoh". (Exod. 7:1). It also is used of the judges of Israel. (Psa. 82:6 cf. John 10:34; Exod. 22:9, 28).Persons who are divinely appointed and made strong by Yahweh are referred to as "God", but this does not imply they are persons within the Godhead. In "the world to come" (Hebrews 2:5), the Son will be called "The mighty God" (Isaiah 9:6), although "now we see not yet all things put under him." (Hebrews 2:8 ). In the Kingdom Age, the Son will reign with the power and authority of his Father. (1 Cor. 15:24-28 ). The writer to the Hebrews points out, however, that the "more excellent name" obtained by the Son is by virtue of his personal worthiness and elevation by his Father, and not by the Son re-claiming divested powers of the Godhead, as trinitarians assert: "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Hebrews 1:9). |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 3:33pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
frosbel: ijawkid: True to type, guys. ....lol...... |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 3:33pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: The one who lacks original thought is back again Don't leave in a hurry , your thinking caps might just arrive in time to assist you . |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Nobody: 3:51pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
frosbel: Mehn...... You weren't dreaming about me through last night, were you? Watch obsession o...... before you start stalking some people lol |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Okijajuju1(m): 3:53pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
TRINITY.. 1st God.. MONEY!! 2nd God.. P[u]ssy And I dont mean cats.. 3rd God.. WEED .. Amen!! |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by truthislight: 6:00pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
debosky: WHY not try Col 1:18 that he is the first in all things does not means there is no Yahweh. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by truthislight: 10:32pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
debosky: is this how you proof the TRINTY the central doctrine of christiandom? *sigh* should not a central doctrine be written all over the scriptures? Do we need to used touch light to look for it in the broad day light? |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by PastorKun(m): 6:53am On Sep 28, 2012 |
truthislight: |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by PastorKun(m): 6:55am On Sep 28, 2012 |
truthislight: The bolded sums it up beautifully. |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by brainpulse: 7:56am On Sep 28, 2012 |
frosbel: Blasphemer please show me in the bible where Jesus was refered to as god (small g) |
Re: Poll : Are You A Trinitarian Or ONE GOD Believer - All Welcome To Vote by Enigma(m): 9:03am On Sep 28, 2012 |
brainpulse: Or, for that matter, as "a god"? Ah, let me remind our friends of just one of the scriptures referring to Jesus as God; this one using the words of God the Father Himself. Hebrews 1 (NIV) 8 But about the Son he {i.e. God The Father} says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. (Edited) |
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