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Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by deols(f): 11:23am On Sep 28, 2012
cold:

I wonder what Maclatunji,Tbaba,Deols and their ilk who love to scream their selves hoarse on here have to say about this

now here wink
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by sirp2007: 11:23am On Sep 28, 2012
Y wont d saudis govt deny them 4rm entering d holy land when d women re covering their face nd no MAN 2 lead them abt,abi hw una expect d women to move abt.
As 4 d protesting MAN,l knw he is an escort,nd d woman can`t bring herself 2 agree tht d errand boy is anything,because ''oga''go ask so many questions later.LOL

tht`s by d way,the truth is that all those tht didnt meet d condition should come home nd our govt send apology letter to saudi govt 4 trying to violate saudis rule.We should learn to follow ORDER AND PROCEDURE in tis country if we are 2 be taken serious/ start moving 4ward.We should stop all tis it doesnt matter attitude.

Saudi is a decent arab kingdom and they re nt ready to sacrifice tht any more 4 ANYONE.
Its an insult 4 Mark to ask d president to talk to saudi king,does MARK think other countries re like nig where there are diff LAWS 4 diff pple? or where evrything is done on MAN KNOW MAN basis? has he 4gotten tht GEJ is an INFIDEL on tis issue?

If these women are true follower wht stops them 4 meeting d conditions of their HOLY LAND,u re going 2 pray to ur GOD,and u wont obey his law? even some SHRINES have rules of nt wearing shoes into their ground,any voilation of it will attract instant punishment.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by deols(f): 11:32am On Sep 28, 2012
I was expecting many ignorant comments. I found enough on the first page. Didnt bother reading the next pages. So, I may be saying something already said by somene else.

First, if you are not a Muslim or simply unaware of the principles of hajj, it will do you more good to just keep quiet while the know hows do the talking. This matter goes beyond diplomatic ties. It is a religious one.

Nigerians need to start doing things right so they wont keep facing such ridicule as this.
call it whatever you like, In Islam a Muslim woman is expected to travel in the company of a male relative. could be her brother, husband, son, nephew. But in Nigeria, the hajj board pairs people who never knew each other as husband and wife in order to deceive the Saudis. I never liked that practice and it shouldn't be encouraged by any Muslim. Only God knows how much immorality can ensue from such a practice.

The Nigerian government spends a lot of money sponsoring people for hajj(people who may not even pray five times a day) every year, doing less on the welfare of people who actually pay for hajj. they rent the farthest places away from haram and give one of the worst services to their citizens and then expect to get the respect of other nations?

When we start doing things right, we may then start asking to be treated right.

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Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by deols(f): 11:41am On Sep 28, 2012
Abujabir24: I am really impressed by the saudi govt. But the mistake in this thread was wen dey said the rules of the kingdom which is a lie. That is the rule of Islam not saudi. They have notice that so many nigerian women go to saudi in the name of performing hajj but instead they become lovepeddlers there wich has bothering d authorities for so long. The fact dat d man who returned wit dem isn't even ashamed of sayin d man is his wife shld have been imprisoned. Because am really sure he is lying.

You are right about those going there for some immoral acts but you can't be sure all of those deported were. They are only unlucky that the rules are taken strictly when they decided to go. Nigerians should start doing things right.

Some people who dont fall in the category of people who should go for hajj are allowed, if they can pay for it or if they are 'big' people. that should stop.

ALl the distribution of hajj seats and same for jerusalem pilgrimage, thereby wasting government resources should also stop. Hajj becomes compulsory only when you have the means.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by JikanHauwa: 11:55am On Sep 28, 2012
[quote author=deols]
I was expecting many ignorant comments. I found enough on the first page. Didnt bother reading the next pages. So, I may be saying something already said by somene else.

First, if you are not a Muslim or simply unaware of the principles of hajj, it will do you more good to just keep quiet while the know hows do the talking. This matter goes beyond diplomatic ties. It is a religious one.

Nigerians need to start doing things right so they wont keep facing such ridicule as this.
call it whatever you like, In Islam a Muslim woman is expected to travel in the company of a male relative. could be her brother, husband, son, nephew. But in Nigeria, the hajj board pairs people who never knew each other as husband and wife in order to deceive the Saudis. I never liked that practice and it shouldn't be encouraged by any Muslim. Only God knows how much immorality can ensue from such a practice.

The Nigerian government spends a lot of money sponsoring people for hajj(people who may not even pray five times a day) every year, doing less on the welfare of people who actually pay for hajj. they rent the farthest places away from haram and give one of the worst services to their citizens and then expect to get the respect of other nations?

When we start doing things right, we may then start asking to be treated right. My friend, what the Saudi Authorities did is insulting, uncivilise and racist to the say the least. Their is nothing like the Hajj commission deceptively pairing anybody..the Hajj commission can even act as a Mahram to intending pilgrims. Maybe a relative of yours wasnt involve. They intimidated and maltreated them. They hate us men, period. Nobody should depend Saudi here. They suck! We are not happy with them.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by achi4u(m): 11:55am On Sep 28, 2012
oradee: well,i do hope our Northern brothers do the honorable thing and protest on the streets like they did the film...abi their liver don fail them? grin

they can't do that...they see saudis as their godsgrin

NDI ARA
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by deols(f): 12:02pm On Sep 28, 2012
achi4u: they can't do that...they see saudis as their godsgrin

NDI ARA

you say what you have no knowledge of. I dare you to prove that
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by tosank: 12:07pm On Sep 28, 2012
dasparrow: @Post

Signs of the end times. Nation shall be against nation and kingdom against kingdom. I hope this issue is resolved quickly.

Another illiterate on the loose. I weep for Nigerians.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by deols(f): 12:19pm On Sep 28, 2012
My friend, what the Saudi Authorities did is insulting, uncivilise and racist to the say the least. Their is nothing like the Hajj commission deceptively pairing anybody..the Hajj commission can even act as a Mahram to intending pilgrims. Maybe a relative of yours wasnt involve. They intimidated and maltreated them. They hate us men, period. Nobody should depend Saudi here. They suck! We are not happy with them.

well, I heard of the pairing from people who have been paired. Can you explain how the hajj commission is allowed to act as Mahram? In what book is that written. I have also heard that a group of fifty women may not need one. But I'd require a reference before believing that.

No relative of mine was involved but I feel their pain as a Woman and a fellow Nigerian. In fact more Importantly as a fellow Muslim.

Maltreating them would be wrong. They did not commit any crime to warrant that. The Nigerian government should seriously address that.

I wasnt defending the Saudis. I am more concerned about earning the respect we so much yearn.

btw, do you work with the hajj commission? who are the 'we' you are talking about.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Nobody: 12:19pm On Sep 28, 2012
How does this affect the price of ...................................................A BUGGATI VEYRON grin
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by passionate88: 12:34pm On Sep 28, 2012
So naija muslim women dey go saudi go do shewey?.. E b like say ppl like maclantunji, deols, etc knw since bt dm kp quiet... Ehen.. Thank God say una pissful brothers dn dey expose una... Biko saudi.. Post d batch c right away, d batch b has all been deployed 2 their various place of .....
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Toktee(m): 12:35pm On Sep 28, 2012
deols:

you say what you have no knowledge of. I dare you to prove that
According to the report,they were sent home for violating the law of the land,not the law of God with whom they are there to serve,muslims all over the world believe that salvatiom comes from that tourist site called holy land,majority of muslim prostitutes go their for their trade,they see the quatari king as allah himself,whereby the arabs look at them as imferior breed,i pity muslims
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by deols(f): 12:43pm On Sep 28, 2012
Toktee: According to the report,they were sent home for violating the law of the land,not the law of God with whom they are there to serve,muslims all over the world believe that salvatiom comes from that tourist site called holy land,majority of muslim prostitutes go their for their trade,they see the quatari king as allah himself,whereby the arabs look at them as imferior breed,i pity muslims

you should be ashamed of yourself. Muslims don't believe salvation is from anywhere. The pilgrimage is an act of worship which becomes compulsory only if you have what it takes to perform it- health, wealth, common sense, etc.

stop saying nonsense. An average Muslim does not know the name of the Saudi king let alone that of Qatar.

the people going there for trade arent only Muslims. stop saying what you have no knowledge of.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by manbuchai: 12:46pm On Sep 28, 2012
deols:

well, I heard of the pairing from people who have been paired. Can you explain how the hajj commission is allowed to act as Mahram? In what book is that written. I have also heard that a group of fifty women may not need one. But I'd require a reference before believing that.

No relative of mine was involved but I feel their pain as a Woman and a fellow Nigerian. In fact more Importantly as a fellow Muslim.

Maltreating them would be wrong. They did not commit any crime to warrant that. The Nigerian government should seriously address that.

I wasnt defending the Saudis. I am more concerned about earning the respect we so much yearn.

btw, do you work with the hajj commission? who are the 'we' you are talking about.
Action speaks louder than words,urge them to embark on protests.There should be burning of Saudi flags by now and name calling by now.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by deols(f): 12:50pm On Sep 28, 2012
manbuchai:
Action speaks louder than words,urge them to embark on protests.There should be burning of Saudi flags by now and name calling by now.

you are having comprehension issues? I have not said the Saudis did wrong by the deportation. And the Op didnt mention the maltreatment of the Women. So, there's no reason I'd expect any rampage on this.

My call is to the government to start doing the right things. You can also join in asking for that grin
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Dipwater(m): 1:05pm On Sep 28, 2012
Haba this is a very big disgrace to the naija muslims and if they fail to learn their lessons 4rm this experience they wuld remain fo ols for life

This people do not like u and they cannot treat u as equals cuz they see blacks as people below their race. So my brothers let's learn to tolerate and luv ourselves

Its high time we doprt and do away with all this imported religion. If we must worship we shuld go back to our african Gods

David mark and the rest going there wuldnt change anything saudi is not naija where some idi ots are above the law. They just want to go and cheapen themselves

Lastly we shuld learn how to do thngs rite. Wheteva the hajj stipulates shuld be followed to the core
All this cutting corners shuld be stopped
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Josboy2: 1:08pm On Sep 28, 2012
They neva see anytin.Dem tink say Arabians respect them.Wuna nobi anything to them.Shine wuna eyes malos.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Beync(f): 1:23pm On Sep 28, 2012
u people better stop distractions.there are more important issues to attend to. All these while book harm has been bombing churches u hajis kept mute. mschew
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by manbuchai: 1:25pm On Sep 28, 2012
deols:

you are having comprehension issues? I have not said the Saudis did wrong by the deportation. And the Op didnt mention the maltreatment of the Women. So, there's no reason I'd expect any rampage on this.

My call is to the government to start doing the right things. You can also join in asking for that grin

I heard you sir,why dont you spend thesame energy in preaching peace in your region.Honestly i wouldnt be against the muslim north if they stage protest and demonstrations each time a church is bombed or when innocent civilians are killed.What pains me most is whenever there is a terrorist attack against people of southern origin,they keep quiet or rejoice secretly.Tell me,how does the cartoon in far away Denmark or the film about mohamed affect their personal lives that warrant them protesting.
Now the Saudi government has humiliated them,i expected them to react because it affected some of them personaly.We Africans are blessed,but we have failed in many areas because of religion,hatred,corruption etc.Spread the message of Pan Africanism or Black power wherever or whenever you have the chance.Brotherly/sisterly love should come first before religion,for what use are we praying to God if we hate or kill our own brothers/sisters.If i were to rule Nigeria,i would abolish,state of origin in place of state of residence.Encourage inter-tribal marriage and if possible relegate religion to the background.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by fortyfeet(m): 1:27pm On Sep 28, 2012
Any lesson from this?
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by fortyfeet(m): 1:34pm On Sep 28, 2012
Josboy2: They neva see anytin.Dem tink say Arabians respect them.Wuna nobi anything to them.Shine wuna eyes malos.
May think, nigeria flag is still lowered in saudi arabia. This is just to make the nigerian muslims bitter so as not to relent in their struggle for muslim presidency in nigeria. OIC AGENDA
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Nobody: 1:37pm On Sep 28, 2012
I THINK NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT SHOULD JUST CANCEL THIS HAJJ OF A THING.ITS A BIG WASTE OF OUR MONEY AND RESOURCES
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Nobody: 1:42pm On Sep 28, 2012
deols:

you should be ashamed of yourself. Muslims don't believe salvation is from anywhere. The pilgrimage is an act of worship which becomes compulsory only if you have what it takes to perform it- health, wealth, common sense, etc.

stop saying nonsense. An average Muslim does not know the name of the Saudi king let alone that of Qatar.

the people going there for trade arent only Muslims. stop saying what you have no knowledge of.





THIS IS NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT MONEY. IF ONLY NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT WILL STOP SPONSORING THESE RELIGIOUS COWS AND WOULD-BE TERRORIST TO THEIR SO-CALLED HOLY LAND.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by allahisevil: 1:44pm On Sep 28, 2012
if the nigerian muslims are not unintelligent what is stopping them from erecting a mighty black rock in sokoto where they can throw stones at devil. muslims in nigeria are not creative. they are id.iots tongue

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Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by sbeezy8: 1:48pm On Sep 28, 2012
deols:

well, I heard of the pairing from people who have been paired. Can you explain how the hajj commission is allowed to act as Mahram? In what book is that written. I have also heard that a group of fifty women may not need one. But I'd require a reference before believing that.

No relative of mine was involved but I feel their pain as a Woman and a fellow Nigerian. In fact more Importantly as a fellow Muslim.

Maltreating them would be wrong. They did not commit any crime to warrant that. The Nigerian government should seriously address that.

I wasnt defending the Saudis. I am more concerned about earning the respect we so much yearn.

btw, do you work with the hajj commission? who are the 'we' you are talking about.

Women were there with their husbands- and who is to say they are lying?

The below is an audio interview of a woman who said that they split men from women and did not allow the wives to meet up with their husbands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19745203
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by phreakabit(m): 1:48pm On Sep 28, 2012
[size=20pt]Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims.[/size]

Islam hates "Africans". RFLMAO @Maclatunji
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Nobody: 1:52pm On Sep 28, 2012
phreakabit: [size=20pt]Saudi-Ara

Islam hates "Africans".

Africans in turn kill each other in the name of Islam.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by phreakabit(m): 1:53pm On Sep 28, 2012
Aigbofa:

Africans in turn kill each other in the name of Islam.

So so true.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by sbeezy8: 2:01pm On Sep 28, 2012
phreakabit:

Islam hates "Africans". RFLMAO @Maclatunji

Islam doesnt hate Africans- non africans muslims do!
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Ayaba03(f): 2:13pm On Sep 28, 2012
Nigerians, wot a big blow on ur face u are hr sayn all sort of rubbish. Are u d only ppl in d world. Talk of robbery: nigeria, traffickn:nigeria, corruption:nigeria, just name all sort of bad attitude, its all hr in nigeria. Y cant ddnt dey detain oda women or deport dem back to dr country as dey do fr our female pilgrims its because nigerians are known fr dose attitude. Some are just blabbern dr tongue anyhw. Think! Think!! Think!!!
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by seyibrown(f): 2:16pm On Sep 28, 2012
Hajj is only one of the 5 Pillars of Islam. You don't have to be government sponsored to go. If you can't afford it, you don't have to go. The amount spent on these unnecessary religious pilgrimages could be used to better the lives of the ordinary Nigerian. Let those who can afford to go out of their own pocket go.

We have plenty of devils in Nigeria that need stoning why go to Saudi to stone the Devil when you are gonna come back home to find him waiting at home. Poor Devil's been getting stoned for donkey years.... grin grin Even the rich ones that go to Mecca/Jerusalem out of their own pockets still come back home to loot Nigeria!

Maybe we will find out in the end the real reasons why this deportations took place amongst the various reasons being given.
Re: BOTCHED DIPLOMACY AS Saudi-Arabia Deports 510 More Nigerian Women Pilgrims!! by Paulonminyi: 2:44pm On Sep 28, 2012
D reason of dis is simple,NIGERIANS re treated lik dat bcoz nigeria is nt part of ISLAMIC nation bt dere re forcin theirsef as muslems. Make dem comebak jor.

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