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Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Jeboy(m): 11:20pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
@Gbawe I used to respect you before but the way you are attempting to be blind to d truth just because you want to call a dog a bad name. Its not fair. I remembered the TI rating improvement was the first post I created in Nairaland and people did not bother to comment because it was good news. Now you prefer to escalate evil because it will boost your ego. You want TI to give you rating for 2012 year when we have not finished 3rd Quarter of 2012. The TI rating with anti-corruption improvement we re talking about is for 2011. He might have mistaken dis years anti-corruption work for last years landmark improvement for TI rating but dat does not remove the fact that it so improved while he is charge. Gbawe and Co would have been happy if the indicators were pointing d country in bad light. You guys don't behave like progressives at all. Is that how people scan through Fashola govt to look for loopholes? This cheap black mail won't take you guys anywhere. Criticize and be a worthy opposition for the sake of progress and not blackmail. If there's anything d rating has done, it has proved most of your claims that corruption heightens in GEJ era or GEJ also influenced their 2011 report. Una no dey try at all thinking you re doing GEJ disservice but not knowing you re killing d image of dis country. I bow for una oh 2 Likes |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Megabyts(m): 11:22pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
Oga GEJ where are the fuel subsidy paliative buses? Abi na lie you talk? 1 Like |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Megabyts(m): 11:22pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
Oga GEJ where are the fuel subsidy paliative buses? Abi na lie you talk? |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by LeJeun3: 11:24pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
samm_miey: Can sumbody pls tel me somethin?....what's so unique in garri dat virtualy al&sundry r so freak abt it in nairaland?smh Guess U just arrived Nigeria! Something even Baba delights in, you are feeling repulsed by? Ah ha SMH at You. |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Gbawe: 11:37pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
taharqa: It is either you are too intellectually lazy to seach for knowledge or you are engaged in a ploy to deceive others you assume are too gullible to use google. Read below to see the views of the USA about GEJ's Government. http://saharareporters.com/news-page/us-government-dismisses-nigeria%E2%80%99s-war-against-corruption-hot-air US Government Dismisses Nigeria’s War Against Corruption As Hot Air |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Gbawe: 11:40pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
Jeboy: @Gbawe Did your President lie or not? Simple. He claimed achievements that are simply not true or corroborated by anyone. If many Nigerians don't suffer from 'Stockholm syndrome' then that development should worry us immensely. 2 Likes |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Jeboy(m): 11:50pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
Below is d link I of the TI rating new post on Naiaraland but as usual because people are not concern about gud news, it was scanty. Maybe if we have commented and analysed it as an issue who would have been inform here. Why do we like to celebrate bad news? www.nairaland.com/1048176/fg-anti-corruption-initiative-finally-paying 1 Like |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by sindyko(m): 11:52pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
He's an extremist who's try to praise his administration, trying to mounted cumbersome lies which his govt hasn't got to d dvlopment. Propaganda jst to promot is govt, in dis contemporary where no secret is hidden(PRESIDENT) liar. Though lies and corrupt can never b extracted out of our blood, however it was transmited 4rm one generation to other but degenerating. A canker disease (mean) blood wil always tell. |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Blueboy0402: 12:03am On Oct 02, 2012 |
@ Poster, what is the meaning of this? Is this the first time GEJ is telling lies? Is GEJ the only politician that has ever lied? Though I'm not holding brief for GEJ but can you mention one politician that has never lied? Please enjoy the annivasery and stop all this rubbish. |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by dayokanu(m): 12:04am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Jeboy: Below is d link I of the TI rating new post on Naiaraland but as usual because people are not concern about gud news, it was scanty. Maybe if we have commented and analysed it as an issue who would have been inform here. Why do we like to celebrate bad news? Did our ranking from Transparency international Improve under Jonathan? Simple question 1 Like |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by lekanwj(m): 12:14am On Oct 02, 2012 |
I am not surprised at all. This man is substandard |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Jeboy(m): 12:14am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Ok let's continue to celebrate bad news. Wether u like it or not if GEJ and his family members are applying for visas frm foreign embassies, they will give dem 1st class priority even after been in govt. but na me and you and our children will be finding it difficult to get common dubai visas. Then you will know you re really doing urself and ur children disservice and not GEJ. For your info, he won't alwayz be there. He took over frm some1 and somebody else will take over frm him. |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by lekanwj(m): 12:16am On Oct 02, 2012 |
dayokanu: Obviously not |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Jeboy(m): 12:20am On Oct 02, 2012 |
@ Dayokanu Read d full article below and find for yourself d answers to d question you asked. Last time I checked on history GEJ was d president in year 2011 abi na Yar Adua? The survey on global corruption perceptions for 2011 versus 2001 showed that the third best improvement in the world was in Nigeria, with its score improving by 1.5 points. In the scoring, Nigeria follows the United States of America, which scored 2 points, while Bangladesh scored the highest by 2.3 points. Also in the survey, the corruption perception score showed that Nigeria displaced Zambia, Mauritius, Uganda, Cameroon, Ghana, Kenya, Botswana, Senegal, Cote d’Ivore, Malawi, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Egypt, Namibia, and Tunisia. Barely one year ago, the Co-ordinating Minister for the Economy and Minister of Finance, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, had vowed to tackle corruption in the country, saying the move would help the ministry to effectively deliver on its mandate. Okonjo-Iweala was appointed last year by President Goodluck Jonathan to restore some order to Nigeria’s public finance. A former World Bank managing director, she is battling to reform one of the world’s most corrupt nations, without support from the shadowy “godfathers” who wield power from behind the scenes. Nigeria scored higher than countries like Poland, South Korea, Indonesia, Japan, Belgium, Romania, Latvia, Bolivia, Estonia, Slovenia, Germany, Turkey, Hong Kong, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, India, Norway, Azerbaijani, Ecuador, Australia, France, Sweden, Costa Rica, Slovakia, Vietnam, and Kenya. Other countries Nigeria scored higher than are Taiwan, Ukraine, Thailand, Pakistan, Russia, China, Croatia, Nicaragua, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Ireland, Kazakhstan, Austria, Singapore, Lithuania, Denmark, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Luxembourg, Portugal, Moldova, Brazil, Canada, the Philippines, Chile, Columbia, Jordan, Panama, Finland, Argentina, the Dominican Republic, the United Kingdom, Uruguay, Bulgaria, Malaysia, Peru, Mexico, Hungary, Spain, Greece, Venezuela, Iceland, Uzbekistan, Italy, Israel, and Trinidad and Tobago. The survey further showed that nine Sub-Sahara Africa (SSA) countries have seen improving scores against five SSA countries that saw a decline (Namibia and South Africa) from high scores previously. Two North African countries saw a big decline – and that may have contributed to the regime change which saw autocrats deposed in those countries. “The middle class in Tunisia was particularly incensed by the corruption in their country,” said Charlie Robertson, Managing Director, Global Chief Economist, Renaissance Capital. 1 Like |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Nobody: 12:57am On Oct 02, 2012 |
taharqa: Ummm, dude, in which America is this "Hot Topic" you just told us about happening? |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Faheedat: 1:57am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Great people Great country,it is not easy all over the world and even THE RICH ALSO CRY GOD BLESS NIGERIA |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by taharqa: 2:19am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Gbawe: First, do not reference Sahara Reporters to me if you want to credible argue any points with me- a hold their reports with the tiniest pint of salt. On the Us Report you were refering to, I think the comment below I made yesterday's morning in another thread will suffice to show my reaction to the report and the issue of corruption in Nigeria:
The US report emphasizes two things in my view: 1st, it asserts that there were still substantial levels of corruption in all levels, tiers of govt and society; and just as I had emphasized in the bolded part of my comment above corruption is widespread in every strata of society and govt(including many of the peeps viewing this thread and of course many of you guys criticizing)- it would be silly that any one would even attempt to deny that and shows the level of work that needs doing going forward. The President didnt deny that. The Report didnt seem to specifically suggest however that corruption increase during GEJ time( if am wrong feel free to correct); and the point I previously made about the Americans and other International bodies withdrawing from Yar'adua's 'War against Corruption' and only re-engaging when GEJ took over and made some changes, stands. http://ngmix.net/lib/vendor/web/articles/5/26.html 2nd, and more importantly in my view is that fact that the Report apparently fingered the JUDICIARY and the Judicial Processes as the greatest reason why the Anti-corruption effort of govt has not gone far, esp as regards the very slow process of concluding corruption case( which I also emphasized im my comment- 2nd bolded part). This is EXTREMELY key. That report even mentioned the case of your master, Tinubu( and let me add El Rufai) Two two are some of the most virulent critic and opponent of the present govt, yet both of their cases have almost stalled in the courts even after about 3 years of adjudication, ditto other cases that have been in court since. Why? Should Tinubu and El Rufai corruption cases, even if not others been expeditiously determined? Some persons keep mentioned OBJ penchant for arresting certain persons and taking them to court and eve eventually obtaining 'judgements' against them, without telling people that any such few 'convictions' are PLEA BARGAINS in which the culprits effectively goes scot-free. If GEJ wants to play to the gallery he can arrest all the 'arrestables' and still there will be little or no convictions from our courts except Plea bargaining is also used. So what is the problem? It is our very slow and so easily manipulative Judicial system and process, and there is very LITTLE GEJ can really do in this respect except to urge the CJN to appoint Special Judges that would concentrate on corruption cases so that many of the many adjuctions that Lawyers have used to delay corruption cases to virtual perpetuity added to the slow process itself will abate, and cases would be decided under a year. THIS IS THE MOST CRITICAL THING NEEDED IN OUR WAR AGAINST CORRUPTION NOOOWWWW . GEJ, the NBA, and other CSOs have urged the CJN to name these Judges, she had agreed still she has not fulfilled the promise. You may blame GEJ for now till forever( and Yes there are still much GEJ can and should do) but the aspect of the Judicial process is the most important. How many of the people making a lot of these noise abut the fight against corruption have remembered to urge her to named the judges? This govt is the most OPEN govt in Nigeria's history( signing of the FOI bill that other presidents refused to sign nor push; opening up the budget processes etc); we should use the opportunity to keep the govt on its heels but should not cos we want to 'get' at GEJ emphasize all our attention on him leaving other arms and tiers of govt. For instance when last did any of us remember we had Governors and LGs in this country?( I swear the govs who were the butt of our previous attention would be laughing their azzes out and thanking their stars that we have apparently 'forgotten' then). PS: I believe that GEJ on moral grounds should declare his assets PUBLICLY and cause the ministers to do so(even if I think that this isnt the most critical thing out there since Yar'adua did so and yet almost completely stalled the anti-corruption war- classic example of chasing shadows, no?) Here are two things that GEJ did in the last week on this corruption issue that was reported yesterday and today. Again, why he needs to do more he needs our help. http://premiumtimesng.com/news/102151-jonathan-commits-to-tough-un-anti-corruption-terrorism-reforms.html http://www.punchng.com/business/nigeria-is-winning-war-against-corruption-jonathan/ |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by rman: 2:50am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Jeboy: @ Dayokanu 2001 vs 2011 is ten years. GEJ shouldn't claim credit for that 2 Likes |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Nobody: 5:41am On Oct 02, 2012 |
GEJ lied. How can he take credit for a 10 year period.?The same fellow who never misses an opportunity to remind us that his government inherited so many problems from previous administrations wants to use indices generated by the same people he tries so hard to disown.The fellow is plainly dishonest. I'd be more interested in figures from 2010 when he was sworn in. The results clearly show no improvement in terms of index (2.4) and a dip in ranking by 9 places from 134 to 143 over the year in question.It gets worse if you view the result from 2009 (Yar Adua)where we had an index rating of 2.5 and even from 2008 where our score was 2.7. Where is the improvement under Goidluck's regime that he is claiming? https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdERaRzgxaUcwYXVRZFpaR3ZrekREb2c&hl=en&authkey=CIretNoB |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by airfinance(m): 6:04am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Igbo |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by 001solar(m): 6:33am On Oct 02, 2012 |
segunjowo: GEJ is a g**t.I stopped believing in him one week after he'd assumed the office of the president after Yaradua's demise. The guy is a no brainer, because only a no brainer lies to the followers in a country he leads! It is quite unfortunate that Nigerians didn't realize this man can NEVER lead us to the promise land from the onset, hence the 'self'acclaimed 'massive vote' he got from the poll 2011. If, after all these lies and the level of poverty this land currently is, the man attempt to seek re-election come 2015 and you(not me) vote for him, then you are on a long thing.PDP has failed us both at the local level, state level, and at Federal level NIGERIAN make una wake up money wey dem gpo give u durin election no foit reach u for dat 4 yrs wey dem go spend for seat oooo make we al take our stand oooo |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by micklplus(m): 6:40am On Oct 02, 2012 |
StarBoard: GEJ lied. Thank you |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by texazzpete(m): 6:44am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Jeboy: @Gbawe I think you have mental problems. Transparency international's index shows Nigeria worsening between 2010 to 2011 under GEJ The article you've been spamming shows Nigeria's corruption perception improving between 2001 and 2011. Those 10 years include OBJ, Yar'Adua and now GEJ. How can you attribute any of the good news to GEJ when we've seen Nigeria retrogressing in the last year according to TI's index? Anyone with a brain knows that the 2001 - 2011 net improvement comes from a perception of improved anti-corruption focus under the tenure of Nuhu Ribadu as EFCC boss. |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by boladez(m): 6:46am On Oct 02, 2012 |
I was so critical of this President until his comment on the Fuel subsidy removal protests. Clearly the guy has good intentions but he has surrounded himself with thieves, political jobbers, rogues, liars and human beings without principles or any form of values. People who can eat and steal from anybody and everybody. Jonathan has good intentions but ambitious... he has NO capacity to run a complex nation like Nigeria. He is without vision, intellectually lazy and does not have the experience to manage resources and people. Based on his thirst for power, He is being used unwittingly by some cunning (not smart) people and he is not aware. He has been cut off from reality. A clear testimony was the new presidential security guards he commissioned on Monday. If you look at the history of leaders who are ambitious and surround themselves with sycophants - they beef up their own security and try to build an empire around themselves. See Abacha, Saddam, Hitler. They end up being chased by phantom enemies and they eventually go into self destruct mode. Jona is unfortunately on the way to self destruction and I hope he comes to realisation early enough so that he can be saved. His speech did not attack Nigerians as ALL his previous speeches to the nation. All the achievements he laid claims to are not measurable or quantifiable other than the improvement in power. (Which again may be argued to obe the effects of the investments by the Obj government). He took over from Yaraslow in FEB 2010 and struggles to showcase his achievements 2 years and 7 months after! what a shame on this nation. The truth is either this guy changes his entire cabinet and special assistants or he will be impeached or plunge this country into anarchy. If anyone know him please tell him he has lost touch with reality and some of us feel sorry for him. 1 Like |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Omen100(m): 6:48am On Oct 02, 2012 |
oradee: is Nairaland loosing sponsors? ive noticed that its site doesnt have as much adverts as it used to from them top notch companies...hope all is well?!? How come you just noticed it now? She started losing it the very day seun posted " I, President jonathan ebele goodluck will be the best president Nigeria will ever had" & there is a saying that said that, the best are always reserved for the later, now because of jonathan, seun is broke. |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by debbydominic(f): 6:52am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Nigeria we hail thee! |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by misreal(m): 7:04am On Oct 02, 2012 |
kurga: Fighting corruption is he? He should start with reducing how much is allocated to him in the budget. A staggering N1B for just feeding. So much for fighting corruptioni dnt undastand u sef.do u want ur president to be living like slave |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by ignis: 7:14am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Law prince: I wonder where Agent Beef and co are hiding. Let them come and defend this glaring lie.This is called white lie, it dont av to be defended |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by misreal(m): 7:16am On Oct 02, 2012 |
moderatorr: Haters will always find something.my brother no be small tin oh |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Gbawe: 7:18am On Oct 02, 2012 |
texazzpete: This is why I said earlier that one must worry about the 'Stockholm syndrome' many Nigerians suffer from that prevents them accepting the truth or even using logical thinking to see what is obvious. How can GEJ, regarding corruption, be judged by any period outside when he has been substantive President i.e February 2010 till now which is almost 3 years? Dishonest, incompetent, failing and desperate leaders do this throughout the world. When they have no genuine achievements to display, they attempt to invent some, claim achievement that do not exist at all or actually lie that there is improvement when everyone can tell that things are worse. Corruption now walks around with total impunity in Nigeria. Under GEJ's watch, fuel subsidy payment , with a big element of scam, became incredibly swollen and the highest it has ever been !!!! Things like that just show that some Nigerians like to deceive themselves. |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by tylarry(f): 7:23am On Oct 02, 2012 |
When are we going to Learn to appreciate our president? |
Re: Jonathan Lied In Independence Anniversary Broadcast. by Stallion77(f): 7:29am On Oct 02, 2012 |
Amazes me how oppositions/critics would go any length to affect dumb people's perception... He told the truth. GEJ told the truth. http://www.naijapundit.com/news/president-jonathan-told-the-truth-on-nigeria-s-corruption-rating |
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