ayobase:

Too much grammars water down a message!

Mr_Anony:

God did not just appear, He is eternal, He has no beginning and no end. He just is

wiegraf:

When you see something complex, you assume lots of simple things combined together to ultimately form the complex. It is simple + simple = complex in nature, that is the way it universally is, with energy in all its forms mutating/combining to form more complex. God is as complex as it gets, yet if we are to assume something has always existed, wouldn't it be illogical to assume it acquired complexity from nowhere?

Ihedinobi:

This is not true. All science shows that the simple takes its character from the complex, not the other way around. The simple is entirely an "unraveling" of the complex.

DeeTeeMan: It seems most of this discussion seems to be boiling down to semantics rather than a good feel for the points each other is making. Words cannot describe everything and that is why semantics can be counter-productive in debates. A bit of more regard and respect for each other's point of view will really go a long way to having excellent debate on issues, generally.

wiegraf:

Sirniyeh: Hello everbody,
Nice meeting you again!
As I always say, nobody will speak beyond the level of his or her understaning. The word God or Allah, or Jesus, or witch is a name. The summary of it all is that, Spirit is Spirit. I dont believe in the name God or Jesus or allah, I relate personally with the spirit. Whichever name you give the spirit, it doesnt concern me.
Spirit is an invincible FORCE that revolves round the orbit of nature. I had read bible, quran, sixth and seventh book of moses, book of enouch, book of thoman, book of uretha(the one that exposes the hidden life of Jesus, how he proposed for marriage etc), i had read the book of mormon, book of god of egypt(I've forgotten the real name which xrays more about Adam and Eve, I have read many sacred texts of buddahism, hindus, and lots more.
I can categorically tell you that what you call God is that spirit inside of you. Thesame spirit entered jesus, etc some used that same spirit and became God(inventors-are they not creator?)
every individual is a God........i rest further mysteries here

Reyginus: What is this?SMH

Ihedinobi:

The following are by no means my concept of God. They're analogies of my assertion about the simple taking character from the complex.

Can you explain photons? What are they? How is it that an individual photon is massless but when matter is fully converted into energy, i.e. photons, this system of photons together retain the rest mass of the converted matter?

What is the uncertainty principle? Why such a principle at all?

Is an electron a particle or a wave?

wiegraf:

When you see something complex, you assume lots of simple things combined together to ultimately form the complex. It is simple + simple = complex in nature, that is the way it universally is, with energy in all its forms mutating/combining to form more complex. God is as complex as it gets, yet if we are to assume something has always existed, wouldn't it be illogical to assume it acquired complexity from nowhere?

Ihedinobi:

This is not true. All science shows that the simple takes its character from the complex, not the other way around. The simple is entirely an "unraveling" of the complex.

ifeness:

Which therefore means we are all one and all different parts of God. We all are God,we created everything around us- we are all co - creators. We chose to create this negative reality we call "Nigera"

Ihedinobi:

About the new energy, I was wrong about the article holding that view. It does not say so. What it does say though is that when scientists observe an apparent departure from the law of conservation of energy they necessarily hypothesize a new form of energy to correct their observation. Hence, dark energy, for example.

Ok. Having said so, I freely recognize your deification of energy. Now, on what basis do you hold that energy cannot be created or destroyed? That is, why do you believe that energy cannot be created or destroyed?

Edited.

Ihedinobi:

The following are by no means my concept of God. They're analogies of my assertion about the simple taking character from the complex.

Can you explain photons? What are they? How is it that an individual photon is massless but when matter is fully converted into energy, i.e. photons, this system of photons together retain the rest mass of the converted matter?

What is the uncertainty principle? Why such a principle at all?

Is an electron a particle or a wave?

mkmyers45: Dark Matter deals with dissociation of energy into expanding space and not the above...Energy cannot be created or destroyed because the total energy in the universe remains unchanged and perfect interplay of these energy is largely observable....and you cannot destroy or create energy

Kayoski:

this question has being bothering me 4 sometyme nw.nd i av found out dat its beyond human comprehension....so i jst want 2 get u guys views. Dis is for those who believe there is a God.

ifeness:

That is what you call an advanced mind fool. All you will ever know is the bible midget!

thehomer:

Well the Cosmological argument is flawed for that and other reasons. One yardstick to use is that if actual cosmologists aren't convinced by it, maybe just maybe you should be hesitant to adopt it so wholeheartedly.

Who says infinite space and infinite time actually exist?

wiegraf:

You refer to the properties of particles, not the content of the particles themselves. To be fair, the properties are sometimes particles in some form or the other (eg gravity, the forces). Either ways, you're still mistaken.

I would think matter is more complex than energy, isn't it? There are more ingredients in a particle with mass than in a massless one

Even for energy, they are all made of smaller, simpler particles, except for where the regress ends. They combine and create a bigger, more complex particles with more in them.

As for properties, uncertainty and wave/particle are scales, or degrees. In other words, you are both a wave and a solid object, and uncertainty still applies to you. The effects become lesser by orders of magnitude as you approach the macroscopic scale, but they never fully disappear, ever. So you still have these properties, just negligibly, along with a few others due to synergies*. There might be properties truly lost, I'm not sure, but I doubt it.

*Hence the whole einstein tale of him bitching to anyone who would listen about how the moon was there whether he was observing it or not, a response to his reservations over wave/particle and observer. He's been proven wrong... For now

mkmyers45: You are muddling it up..Matter/Mass is a property of all energy, and energy is a property of all mass, and the two properties are connected by a constant...as wiegraf pointed out All things are affected by uncertainty..

Ihedinobi:

Ok. Let's handle the simple/complex argument holistically.

I'm of the persuasion that the complex produces the simple, a devolution rather than evolution. By that I mean that if there's an absolute/final/ultimate reality, it must necessarily be more complex than every other reality contingent upon it.

I will deliberate leave the instances I gave initially to show this and use another which I consider a little more immediately conceivable.

Let's consider the seed and the tree. Which would you consider more complex and why?

mkmyers45: Dark Matter deals with dissociation of energy into expanding space and not the above...Energy cannot be created or destroyed because the total energy in the universe remains unchanged and perfect interplay of these energy is largely observable....and you cannot destroy or create energy

wiegraf:

Tree

Ihedinobi:

Ok. Why does it affect all things?

Ihedinobi:

Do you know of any failed attempts to do either? Why did such attempts fail?

Ihedinobi:

Why?