brocab:
Well the bible is the Word of God-so you work it out?
Haven't you heard? {Matthew 24:35} Jesus said: Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away.
{John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God-every time we read the bible we are Hearing God speaking to us.
So yes" God speaking to us-is the same as Jesus speaking to us. Don't you believe Jesus when He Said: I and the Father are One.
Do you believe in the Trinity-not because the Trinity Word isn't written in the bible-as a Catholic-do you personally believe, In the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One' in all?

The Catholic doctrine of Trinity is the foundation of Christianity: you tamper with that, you destroy Christianity.


Don't be fanatical. In the Bible, God spoke and men spoke. In men's claims were errors ,biases and misrepresentations especially in the Old testament hence the need for the word of God to come in flesh in Jesus. God does not contradict Himself but men do or else how do you explain " an eye for an eye" and Christ doctrine of " turning the other cheek", and many Phariseessical practices claiming God ordained them?

johnw74:


Christ is the author and finisher of the "one faith", not of multible faiths, which leaves the rcc and other churches of heresy, cults and sects etc. out


Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit. In the same way you were called to share one hope.
Eph 4:5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

there is one body(the True Church) who r those who pray to God, and not to idols and others, u r not part of it
there is one Spirit, who lives in the body's of True Bible believers, u do not have Him
there is one hope, the hope of salvation through Faith in the Christ of the Bible, u do not have it
there is one Lord, the Lord of all the Father have given Him, He is not your Lord
there is one faith, the faith given by God to believers through knowing the true Christ
there is one baptism, it is by immersion for the true Church(body of Christ) and not by sprinkling of water as with some pagans

Not even Christ love most merciful would say that " He is not your Lord" . Hmmmm by their fruits you shall know them.

Babacele:
But you said those whose murder the Torah claimed were God ordained should be killed .

more lies from lying baba, post where I said that confusion,
that confusion is typically yours

Babacele:
It was a typo error , it was Deuteronomy 7:1-2 and other verses where Humans murdered in the name of God.



-
Deuteronomy, chapter 7
1: "When the LORD your God
brings you into the land which
you are entering to take
possession of it, and clears away
many nations before you, the
Hittites, the Gir'gashites, the
Amorites, the Canaanites, the
Per'izzites, the Hivites, and the
Jeb'usites, seven nations greater
and mightier than yourselves,
2: and when the LORD your God
gives them over to you, and you
defeat them; then you must utterly
destroy them; you shall make no
covenant with them, and show no
mercy to them.

Deuteronomy 7:1-2

God tells Israel to destroy the people in the land that He has given them

I agree with whatever God says, but you baba say God is wrong or the Bible is wrong, or both,
do u know what u r saying? it doesn't look like it oh confused one

Yes God does know-He also explains it in the bible-One must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God.
Are you born again?

Babacele:
Jesus, the word of God, said in Mathew 8:3-
“Truly I tell
you, He said, “unless you change
and become like little children, you
will never enter the kingdom of
heaven. ,"


Sorry, Mr Pentecostal you don't hold the visa to heaven ,only God knows who goes.

Babacele:
Jesus, the word of God, said in Mathew 8:3-
“Truly I tell
you, He said, “unless you change
and become like little children, you
will never enter the kingdom of
heaven. ,"


Sorry, Mr Pentecostal you don't hold the visa to heaven ,only God knows who goes.

Bro knows u won't go to Heaven when you don't agree with God, as in: His telling Israel to kill those in the land that He has given them.

And bro knows that u won't go to heaven when u don't believe God's inspired word.

How is it u don't believe the Bible but u use it when it suits u,
thats what false jw and other cults and sects do as well.

If you don't believe God is speaking to us through the bible-then of course God isn't speaking through you Catholic's at all..

Babacele:
The Catholic doctrine of Trinity is the foundation of Christianity: you tamper with that, you destroy Christianity.


Don't be fanatical. In the Bible, God spoke and men spoke. In men's claims were errors ,biases and misrepresentations especially in the Old testament hence the need for the word of God to come in flesh in Jesus. God does not contradict Himself but men do or else how do you explain " an eye for an eye" and Christ doctrine of " turning the other cheek", and many Phariseessical practices claiming God ordained them?

Yeh ok keep on asking Mary to pray for you-what good is that to you.
And I will keep on praying to Micky Mouse, and Donald Duck.

emmanuelex1:
I am sorry not to accept you idea. I will still continuing praying to Jesus but I will stil continue to ask a Mary to pray for me.

brocab:
If you don't believe God is speaking to us through the bible-then of course God isn't speaking through you Catholic's at all..

you hate the truth.

Babacele:
Not even Christ love most merciful would say that " He is not your Lord" . Hmmmm by their fruits you shall know them.

u say God was wrong in having Israel kill those in the land that he gave them,
u say the Bible-God's inspired Holy Scriptures is wrong,

by your own words, truly Jesus Christ is not your Lord, oh blind one

u say Mary should be prayed to
u say Mary is greater than Jesus because she told him to turn water into wine
u have a priest-a man forgive your sins
u pray before statues and pictures of Mary

the list is endless



These verses are speaking of the rcc

The latter times are the times since Christ

(1Ti 4:1)  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

(1Ti 4:2)  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

(1Ti 4:3)  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Your unbibical doctrines are from seducing spirits-devils
speaking lies in hypocrisy, well u baba r a good example of that
priests are forbidden to marry
does your church still have days where u r 2 abstain from meats

Your lies I hate-but the truth is, God speaks to us through the bible.

Babacele:
you hate the truth.

johnw74:


Bro knows u won't go to Heaven when you don't agree with God, as in: His telling Israel to kill those in the land that He has given them.

And bro knows that u won't go to heaven when u don't believe God's inspired word.

How is it u don't believe the Bible but u use it when it suits u,
thats what false jw and other cults and sects do as well.

the same way Daesh claim God sent them to go unleash terror on the world. That bokoharam Christianity. But the word of God ,Jesus, says whatever you sow,you shall reap.

Babacele:
the same way Daesh claim God sent them to go unleash terror on the world. That bokoharam Christianity. But the word of God ,Jesus, says whatever you sow,you shall reap.

duh, what has daesh and bokoharam got to do with the true God
slow down and think, and try not be so confused.

{Hebrews 11:24-26} Moses chose to believed God. {Exodus 20} Moses received the 10 commandments.
Abraham received the promise. {Romans 4:16} {Genesis 15:6} Abram believed in the Lord, and he counted to Him for righteousness.
This is how we all come to know the invisible God-God calls us into His kingdom. Let us not get carried away with ourselves-but think about it-were you called into the kingdom of God? Or did you just come-because your priest gave your parents permission?

Babacele:
what Bible did Abraham read or scriptures that Moses read before God revealed Himself to them?
Quote any portion of the bible to disprove me as you wont to.

Salvation comes through Lord Jesus not through any scripture . Jesus is the word and not the Torah or anybody's impression about God including politics and biases.

Jesus is the ultimate despite all the inspired books.

Truth must be told nomater how bitter ,Jesus said " you were told of old an eye for eye " - meaning it is written in your scripture - but " I am telling you now No, turn the other cheek" .

Same thing played out when the crowd practicing sharia wanted to stone the adulterous woman to death while flaunting the scriptural law from Moses which was clearly biased against women but Jesus said No , and said ' Moses gave you the laws according to the hardiness of your hearts ' after upbraiding them about sin and all left in their shame.
.

Jesus said when I go, I will send you the holy spirit to guide you on all I have thought you , and not to go and read the Torah.

Paul too said if the old was perfect ,there would nt have been need for the Good News.

Christ is the perfect word of God: the author and finisher of our faiths.

Babacele:
you hate the truth.

ha ha, that's all u can say to the truth of bro's post

brocab:
If you don't believe God is speaking to us through the bible-then of course God isn't speaking through you Catholic's at all..

baba, more on rcc and Mary



Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing?


No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look.

There is only one God, and you are to serve no other gods (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8}.
Jesus is both God and man (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9; 1 John 4:1-4).
Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor. 15:14).
Salvation is by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 3:1-2; 5:1-4).
The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus according to the scriptures (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:8-9).
God is a Trinity (Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 13:14).
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:25).

So, someone who is a true Christian will believe these things and not violate them. Roman Catholicism violates two of them (#1 and #4). First of all, by its practice of promoting Mary (and the Saints) to the level of God-like capabilities, they break the commandment to have no other gods before the true and living God. In Roman Catholicism, they say that Mary is the mediatrix (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 969); Mary made atonement for the sins of man (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, page 213); Mary is the subject of preaching and worship (Vatican Council II, p. 420); etc.

Also, Catholicism violates the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone. Paul the apostle, for example, tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." But Roman Catholicism denies that and says, " . . . so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments," (CCC, par 2068). Also, consider this:

"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).

So, even though Roman Catholicism claims to be Christian and that it is the one true church, it violates the essentials of the Christian faith. It goes beyond what is written in God's word (1 Cor. 4:6). It denies the sole and true sovereignty of the living God by promoting prayer to and the worship of Mary. Also, it denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone. It is not a Christian church.

by Matt Slick
Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing?

You must read, it was the Word that created the universe-and everything in it.
And who is the Word? "Jesus" and who was it, that gave His inspired disciples the Spirit of God to write the scriptures.
And why was the scriptures written? So we ourselves, centuries later will know the truth about the invisible God.

Babacele:
what Bible did Abraham read or scriptures that Moses read before God revealed Himself to them?
Quote any portion of the bible to disprove me as you wont to.

Salvation comes through Lord Jesus not through any scripture . Jesus is the word and not the Torah or anybody's impression about God including politics and biases.

Jesus is the ultimate despite all the inspired books.

Truth must be told nomater how bitter ,Jesus said " you were told of old an eye for eye " - meaning it is written in your scripture - but " I am telling you now No, turn the other cheek" .

Same thing played out when the crowd practicing sharia wanted to stone the adulterous woman to death while flaunting the scriptural law from Moses which was clearly biased against women but Jesus said No , and said ' Moses gave you the laws according to the hardiness of your hearts ' after upbraiding them about sin and all left in their shame.
.

Jesus said when I go, I will send you the holy spirit to guide you on all I have thought you , and not to go and read the Torah.

Paul too said if the old was perfect ,there would nt have been need for the Good News.

Christ is the perfect word of God: the author and finisher of our faiths.

johnw74:


more lies from lying baba, post where I said that confusion,
that confusion is typically yours



Deuteronomy 7:1-2

God tells Israel to destroy the people in the land that He has given them

I agree with whatever God says, but you baba say God is wrong or the Bible is wrong, or both,
do u know what u r saying? it doesn't look like it oh confused one

the same God says thou shall not kill? didn't he say those who kill by sword will die by sword? don't contradict Him please. God is not the same as the Bible ; it's blasphemous.

Bro, God through Timothy is talking about the rcc here,
priests are forbidden to marry, and there are days where rc's are to abstain from meats


1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

brocab:
{Hebrews 11:24-26} Moses chose to believed God. {Exodus 20} Moses received the 10 commandments.
Abraham received the promise. {Romans 4:16} {Genesis 15:6} Abram believed in the Lord, and he counted to Him for righteousness.
This is how we all come to know the invisible God-God calls us into His kingdom. Let us not get carried away with ourselves-but think about it-were you called into the kingdom of God? Or did you just come-because your priest gave your parents permission?

what book did Abraham,the father of faith read, before he received the promise of God? Absolutely none. Has that God changed? not at all.
Did Moses read any scriptures before God chose him too?

Your English is poor, if God isn't the same as the Bible- and when we hear God speaking through His Word that is written in the bible-you are telling us, it isn't God speaking to us?
Then is Mary speaking to you-is she asking you to pray to her-so she will pray for you?

Babacele:
the same God says thou shall not kill? didn't he say those who kill by sword will die by sword? don't contradict Him please. God is not the same as the Bible ; it's blasphemous.

Babacele:
the same God says thou shall not kill? didn't he say those who kill by sword will die by sword? don't contradict Him please. God is not the same as the Bible ; it's blasphemous.

u don't believ the bible and say it is blasphemous,
and yet u think u r a Christian, now that's confusion with a capital C.


God told us-humans not to kill, so obey Him.

God told Israel to kill those in the land that He had given them, He is God-not human, so obey Him,

I would obey God, u baba would not,
but then u r only christian in name.

johnw74:
baba, more on rcc and Mary



Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing?


No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look.

There is only one God, and you are to serve no other gods (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8}.
Jesus is both God and man (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9; 1 John 4:1-4).
Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor. 15:14).
Salvation is by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 3:1-2; 5:1-4).
The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus according to the scriptures (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:8-9).
God is a Trinity (Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 13:14).
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:25).

So, someone who is a true Christian will believe these things and not violate them. Roman Catholicism violates two of them (#1 and #4). First of all, by its practice of promoting Mary (and the Saints) to the level of God-like capabilities, they break the commandment to have no other gods before the true and living God. In Roman Catholicism, they say that Mary is the mediatrix (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 969); Mary made atonement for the sins of man (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, page 213); Mary is the subject of preaching and worship (Vatican Council II, p. 420); etc.

Also, Catholicism violates the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone. Paul the apostle, for example, tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." But Roman Catholicism denies that and says, " . . . so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments," (CCC, par 2068). Also, consider this:

"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).

So, even though Roman Catholicism claims to be Christian and that it is the one true church, it violates the essentials of the Christian faith. It goes beyond what is written in God's word (1 Cor. 4:6). It denies the sole and true sovereignty of the living God by promoting prayer to and the worship of Mary. Also, it denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone. It is not a Christian church.

by Matt Slick
Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing?

allow God to judge us but I tell you for 2000 years no gate of Hades has prevailed against the church as Christ predicted.

johnw74:


u don't believ the bible and say it is blasphemous,
and yet u think u r a Christian, now that's confusion with a capital C.


God told us-humans not to kill, so obey Him.

God told Israel to kill those in the land that He had given them, He is God-not human, so obey Him,

I would obey God, u baba would not,
but then u r only christian in name.

what a fanatical contraction! ...even when Jesus has spoken? Christian indeed.

Babacele:
allow God to judge us but I tell you for 2000 years no gate of Hades has prevailed against the church as Christ predicted.

baba, U obviously r not reading the articles i post which would show u how u r being fooled,
but the choice is yours to make, heaven or the lake of fire:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

johnw74:


baba, U obviously r not reading the articles i post which would show u how u r being fooled,
but the choice is yours to make, heaven or the lake of fire:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

and the book is in your hands....please help me check my granny's name Mr God.

Again you aren't listening-God calls us into His kingdom-when the Spirit of God calls us-we believe, Moses believed, Abraham believed, the disciples believed and Mary believed, we all believe.
You have no idea-the written Word of God is written in all those who have chosen to believe, to have the Spirit of God come upon you-is something "no-one can explain-but man we know the differences it makes.
The bible is given to us, as a tool used to guild us, to learn more, about our Father in Heaven. And God has written the bible-so we know it is God speaking through the bible.

Babacele:
what book did Abraham,the father of faith read, before he received the promise of God? Absolutely none. Has that God changed? not at all.
Did Moses read any scriptures before God chose him too?

Babacele:
what a fanatical contraction! ...even when Jesus has spoken? Christian indeed.

no, not fanatical or contradiction, it's believing the Bible,
u don't, is why God has allowed your god(satan) to blind u:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

johnw74:


u don't believ the bible and say it is blasphemous,
and yet u think u r a Christian, now that's confusion with a capital C.


God told us-humans not to kill, so obey Him.

God told Israel to kill those in the land that He had given them, He is God-not human, so obey Him,

I would obey God, u baba would not,
but then u r only christian in name.

"Moses gave you the laws because of the hardiness of your hearts" , .... ..but because you hate the truth you prefer to stick to Daesh.

Babacele:
"Moses gave you the laws because of the hardiness of your hearts" , .... ..but because you hate the truth you prefer to stick to Daesh.

lying comes naturally to you, oh great accuser baba:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

brocab:
Again you aren't listening-God calls us into His kingdom-when the Spirit of God calls us-we believe, Moses believed, Abraham believed, the disciples believed and Mary believed, we all believe.
You have no idea-the written Word of God is written in all those who have chosen to believe, to have the Spirit of God come upon you-is something "no-one can explain-but man we know the differences it makes.
The bible is given to us, as a tool used to guild us, to learn more, about our Father in Heaven.

what written word did they read before they believed? werent the Pharisees reading the scriptures but didn't Christ expose their hypocrisy? Christ is the word of God.

You are spiritually dead-you still don't understand, only because you never received the Spirit of the Lord.
You have come to know Christ another way, a way you won't see the Kingdom of God..

Babacele:
what written word did they read before they believed? werent the Pharisees reading the scriptures but didn't Christ expose their hypocrisy? Christ is the word of God.

Babacele:
what written word did they read before they believed? werent the Pharisees reading the scriptures but didn't Christ expose their hypocrisy? Christ is the word of God.

The pharisees hypocricy was in the things they said, not of things in the scriptures
Christ never once said a word against the Holy Scriptures, of course u baba just lie over and over again