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Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Frostyzone(m): 7:51am On Nov 12, 2012
Every Nigerian Website I paid a visit to, there is always a high probability that I will encounter the "I" word.

Some bloggers dedicate unreasonable amount of space in their blog, spewing out stories and theories about a certain new age secret cult called Illuminati.

According to some, their aim is to control and dominate the world.

While some believe that by getting initiated, members will automatically became rich and famous. They even went as far as listing out many popular names in Nigerian entertainment industry and Diaspora.

So the ongoing trend is thus;Whenever a musician or actor has a career breakthrough, and became suddenly famous, then he or she must have joined Illuminati.

The beauty of their respective singles or acting, that in a rational point of view may have given them that extra push in the right direction, doesn't come into play anymore.

Before, the Nigerian Population have always been divided in terms of popular beliefs, urban myths, etc. There were the rationales(those that doesn't believe outrageous stories/theories without proof) and the Erratic(those that believe in alien abduction and such theories)

Sadly, it's not so any longer. At the moment, almost everyone is presently a conspiracy theorist, foretelling the end of the world.

Rationalism seems to to have taken the back seat compared to the current fore-runner;illuminati saga.

I did some research and discovered a sad truth; Illuminati theories are fueled by religion.

Almost every religious persons believe in the Illuminati stories compared to atheist non believers.

My question is simple; Where do you stand? Does your faith or lack of faith play a huge part in your decision making?

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Niflheim(m): 9:58am On Nov 12, 2012
@frostyzone,remember that illiteracy is the number one problem of the average nigerian,............................my father was a rosicrucian and he had some funny books in the house and so while reading one book i jumped to another,ILLUMINATI is something that i have been reading about since 2003,but nigerians prefer amateur youtube videos for their facts.it is not new age because it was founded in 1776,they were suppressed by the bavarian government who took most of them out,not knowing that many were hiding under the umbrella of the freemasons and the rosicrucians!!!

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Niflheim(m): 10:17am On Nov 12, 2012
They were later revived in 1904,some 137 years later(if you knew what 137 means in quantum physics),and started giving birth to 'orbitally arranged invisible bastard groups',like the vril society in germany and thule gesellschaft(adolf hitler was a member)............................stars in america would join other lower cults and nigerians would shout 'ILLUMINATI!!!'.........................Prodigy,the rapper from mobb deep went to join 'the nuwabians',a black man cult in new york and foolish nigerians shouted 'ILLUMINATI'.....................................wyclef,nas,busta rhymes,pras and lauren hill,and all members of the Wu Tang Clan, joined another black man cult called the '5 percenters' and nigerians erroneously shouted 'ILLUMINATI!!!'

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Niflheim(m): 10:32am On Nov 12, 2012
Remember what I said about one cult infiltrating another?..................the British came to nigeria and heard about native ogboni,who meet in the bush,speak yoruba and wear white bedsheet,so they decided to form a new ogboni,whereby they can understand the language and control the members!!!So they got reverend ogunbiyi to form the 'reformed ogboni confraternity',because the anglican church is a freemason lodge masquerading as a church and the british kings and queens are grand masters and grand patrons.the 1st president of R.O.F. was eventually adetokunbo ademola,who studied in oxford,and oxford university has a masonic lodge for students and professors called 'the Apollo University Lodge'.The one at cambridge is called the 'Isaac Newton Lodge'.

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Niflheim(m): 10:40am On Nov 12, 2012
The agenda is greed power and control,so that is why i laugh when nigerians say that Kanye West and Lady Gaga are members.To understand 'ILLUMINATI',you need to understand only one thing in life.......................................'CHESS'!!!Kanye and Lady Gaga are like the rock groups of the 60s,the beatles,the doors,the rolling stones............................THEY ARE PAWNS!!!

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Niflheim(m): 10:54am On Nov 12, 2012
Remember how john lennön(the beatles) was shot after an interview in which he stated that the CIA and the US ARMY,is responsible for importation of drugs in America?....................but the foolish christians claim that it was because he claimed to be more popular than christ,yet the christ interview was in 1966 and he died 1980,14 years later, unlike the CIA interview that was months before his death!!!The pastors who started this false rumour represent the BISHOPS on the Chess Board who see in only one direction and so can only move on one colour on the board!!!................................the us army are the 'KNIGHTS'!!!

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Frostyzone(m): 10:56am On Nov 12, 2012
Niflheim: The agenda is greed power and control,so that is why i laugh when nigerians say that Kanye West and Lady Gaga are members.To understand 'ILLUMINATI',you need to understand only one thing in life.......................................'CHESS'!!!Kanye and Lady Gaga are like the rock groups of the 60s,the beatles,the doors,the rolling stones............................THEY ARE PAWNS!!!
Niflheim: Remember what I said about one cult infiltrating another?..................the British came to nigeria and heard about native ogboni,who meet in the bush,speak yoruba and wear white bedsheet,so they decided to form a new ogboni,whereby they can understand the language and control the members!!!So they got reverend ogunbiyi to form the 'reformed ogboni confraternity',because the anglican church is a freemason lodge masquerading as a church and the british kings and queens are grand masters and grand patrons.the 1st president of R.O.F. was eventually adetokunbo ademola,who studied in oxford,and oxford university has a masonic lodge for students and professors called 'the Apollo University Lodge'.The one at cambridge is called the 'Isaac Newton Lodge'.
Niflheim: They were later revived in 1904,some 137 years later(if you knew what 137 means in quantum physics),and started giving birth to 'orbitally arranged invisible bastard groups',like the vril society in germany and thule gesellschaft(adolf hitler was a member)............................stars in america would join other lower cults and nigerians would shout 'ILLUMINATI!!!'.........................Prodigy,the rapper from mobb deep went to join 'the nuwabians',a black man cult in new york and foolish nigerians shouted 'ILLUMINATI'.....................................wyclef,nas,busta rhymes,pras and lauren hill,and all members of the Wu Tang Clan, joined another black man cult called the '5 percenters' and nigerians erroneously shouted 'ILLUMINATI!!!'
Niflheim: @frostyzone,remember that illiteracy is the number one problem of the average nigerian,............................my father was a rosicrucian and he had some funny books in the house and so while reading one book i jumped to another,ILLUMINATI is something that i have been reading about since 2003,but nigerians prefer amateur youtube videos for their facts.it is not new age because it was founded in 1776,they were suppressed by the bavarian government who took most of them out,not knowing that many were hiding under the umbrella of the freemasons and the rosicrucians!!!
So In summation, you were saying that those Illuminati theories are real and actually happening?
Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by pastormustwacc: 11:34am On Nov 12, 2012
Frostyzone:
So In summation, you were saying you that those Illuminati theories are real and actually happening?
Very real. And yes, from my own research, they are old world orders and have been for a very long time like Niflheim said. His posts and my research point to the same thing.
And also remember, there is no smoke without fire.
Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Frostyzone(m): 11:53am On Nov 12, 2012
pastormustwacc:
And also remember, there is no smoke without fire.
You sounded just like the typical conspiracy theorist I wrote about earlier...lol.

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Niflheim(m): 12:13pm On Nov 12, 2012
@frostyzöne,do not forget what i said about nigerians packaging rubbish in their songs as if they know anything about 'ILLUMINATI',imagine a common thief like 'charlie boy',claiming to head illuminati!!!................these are practical jokes,but historians and investigative journalists in europe,have written extensively on 'The Perfectibilists'(their other name),only for nigerians who only read 'Eze goes to School' and 'Ikebe Super' to claim knowledge of 'the Olympians'(another name for the group)!!!

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Nobody: 12:31pm On Nov 12, 2012
A thread for Igbo smokers...

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Frostyzone(m): 12:38pm On Nov 12, 2012
musKeeto: A thread for Igbo smokers...
Lol.
Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by pastormustwacc: 3:01pm On Nov 12, 2012
Frostyzone:
You sounded just like the typical conspiracy theorist I wrote about earlier...lol.
I am not surprised you feel that way. But tell me something, if i for instance tell you that i can levitate an object straight from the ground into the air, how do you prove it? By asking me to demonstrate it, and if i refuse to demonstrate it for my own reasons - then it becomes a lie.

That is the very reason you cannot demonstrate conspiracy theories from the real thing. Do your own search for the truth yourself (anyhow you can do it), and lets see what you get - rather than sitting down on the keyboard calling everyone a conspiracy theorist simply because they do not conform to your thinking.

I am not forcing my views on you, that is never my way - but you created a thread asking for people's opinions, and you condemn people that share their views. Then you need not have created the thread at all. Anyway, that is all i have to contribute to the thread.

This reminds me of the view of God exists and does not exist, some people still believe that there are no supernatural powers on this world - simply because they have not been a victim - they discard other people's accounts and call it story story, it is your immagination etc

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Niflheim(m): 3:59pm On Nov 12, 2012
One last thing, anybody who tells you about nigerian celebrities in the illuminati or about joining to become rich is a liar....................................why will they look for wretched nigerians to join their group?why should they share their money with the profane?

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Frostyzone(m): 6:29pm On Nov 12, 2012
Niflheim: One last thing, anybody who tells you about nigerian celebrities in the illuminati or about joining to become rich is a liar....................................why will they look for wretched nigerians to join their group?why should they share their money with the profane?
Bwahahahahaha....No break my back with laughter, abeg!

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Frostyzone(m): 6:30pm On Nov 12, 2012
pastormustwacc:
I am not surprised you feel that way. But tell me something, if i for instance tell you that i can levitate an object straight from the ground into the air, how do you prove it? By asking me to demonstrate it, and if i refuse to demonstrate it for my own reasons - then it becomes a lie.

That is the very reason you cannot demonstrate conspiracy theories from the real thing. Do your own search for the truth yourself (anyhow you can do it), and lets see what you get - rather than sitting down on the keyboard calling everyone a conspiracy theorist simply because they do not conform to your thinking.

I am not forcing my views on you, that is never my way - but you created a thread asking for people's opinions, and you condemn people that share their views. Then you need not have created the thread at all. Anyway, that is all i have to contribute to the thread.

This reminds me of the view of God exists and does not exist, some people still believe that there are no supernatural powers on this world - simply because they have not been a victim - they discard other people's accounts and call it story story, it is your immagination etc
Noted.
Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by pastormustwacc: 7:15pm On Nov 12, 2012
Frostyzone:
Noted.
Thank you very much, that is a very satisfactory response, and has covered for the first one. In this world, it is better to have an open-mind till you actually find out the truth for yourself about whether a thing is or not.

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by wiegraf: 7:36pm On Nov 12, 2012
pastormustwacc:
Thank you very much, that is a very satisfactory response, and has covered for the first one. In this world, it is better to have an open-mind till you actually find out the truth for yourself about whether a thing is or not.



Your point on asking for opinions then bashing them is of course valid. But on the matter of being open-minded, being open-minded does not mean you should accept any nonsense you hear. It does not mean you should not be critical.

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by pastormustwacc: 8:16pm On Nov 12, 2012
^^^You need to prove the stuff is actually nonsense before you judge or condemn - that is what i meant by open-minded, it does not mean to be foolish or gullible.

When you create a thread with an already fixed mindset that illuminati does not exist, it shows you are a close-minded person, and you are trying to convince people that it does not exist, and rubbish people that claim it exists. You want to enter FEMA camp before being convinced?

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by mkmyers45(m): 9:43pm On Nov 12, 2012
Niflheim: One last thing, anybody who tells you about nigerian celebrities in the illuminati or about joining to become rich is a liar....................................why will they look for wretched nigerians to join their group?why should they share their money with the profane?
People do not know..The Illuminati and the Masons are not the same...Masons is just an esocretic organization while the Illuminated are much much thicker.

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by wiegraf: 10:08pm On Nov 12, 2012
pastormustwacc: ^^^You need to prove the stuff is actually nonsense before you judge or condemn - that is what i meant by open-minded, it does not mean to be foolish or gullible.
Only if the stuff has already been proven. Else, depending on the nature of the claim and the situation, being critical may be necessary

pastormustwacc:
When you create a thread with an already fixed mindset that illuminati does not exist, it shows you are a close-minded person, and you are trying to convince people that it does not exist, and rubbish people that claim it exists. You want to enter FEMA camp before being convinced?

No it doesn't. It would be close-minded if after being presented with valid objective evidence (or logic in some cases) one still refuses to change his views. Or at least admit he might be wrong and would have to research/reflect on the issue. If someone claims he's from FEMA yet provides no evidence for this but says you should follow him to camp for whatever reason, especially when no disaster has taken place, you should be critical.

Opening threads just to flame though is usually pointless, except for fun

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by pastormustwacc: 10:12pm On Nov 12, 2012
You are most welcome. However, this will not get us anywhere. I hate arguments of it is, it is not - a sheer waste of time.
*And so, I rest my case*
Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by wiegraf: 10:39pm On Nov 12, 2012
pastormustwacc: You are most welcome. However, this will not get us anywhere. I hate arguments of it is, it is not - a sheer waste of time.
*And so, I rest my case*

Is this for me? This isn't "it is, it is not". It is rather clear. All unproven claims are open to scrutiny. But you can rest your case
Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by pastormustwacc: 11:09pm On Nov 12, 2012
wiegraf:

Is this for me? This isn't "it is, it is not". It is rather clear. All unproven claims are open to scrutiny. But you can rest your case
That is a better and more polite way to say it, than to piss on someone's head for stating their beliefs. But if you are looking for anyone to come out and start giving you hard evidences, you are wasting your time - or looking for needle in a haysack - or sitting on a looong thing.

A little digression, do you believe witchcraft/satan exists? Do you believe that God exists? Can you show me any hard evidence? I do turn to atheist o!

*And once again, I will go on recess*

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by wiegraf: 12:13am On Nov 13, 2012
pastormustwacc:
That is a better and more polite way to say it, than to piss on someone's head for stating their beliefs. But if you are looking for anyone to come out and start giving you hard evidences, you are wasting your time - or looking for needle in a haysack - or sitting on a looong thing.

A little digression, do you believe witchcraft/satan exists? Do you believe that God exists? Can you show me any hard evidence? I do turn to atheist o!

*And once again, I will go on recess*

You won't go anywhere, you're intensly curious so you'll stick around
Your post doesn't make sense to me, but meh. I'll just say that any claim made without any evidence can obviously be discarded without evidence, as Hitchens would say. Or even better, I present to you the physicist wolfgang pauli, from wiki:

"Regarding physics, Pauli was famously a perfectionist. This extended not just to his own work, but also to the work of his colleagues. As a result, he became known in the physics community as the "conscience of physics," the critic to whom his colleagues were accountable. He could be scathing in his dismissal of any theory he found lacking, often labelling it ganz falsch, utterly wrong.

However, this was not his most severe criticism, which he reserved for theories or theses so unclearly presented as to be untestable or unevaluatable and, thus, not properly belonging within the realm of science, even though posing as such. They were worse than wrong because they could not be proven wrong. Famously, he once said of such an unclear paper: Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch! "Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!" "

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by blackmale(m): 12:29am On Nov 13, 2012
i don,t believe its a cult,,, its all nonsense, pple re just making big deal out of it

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Brainrex(m): 12:34am On Nov 13, 2012
is it not the same google.com?
Another joke thread :/
Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by safarigirl(f): 12:39am On Nov 13, 2012
My dad told me Illuminati has been in existence for a long while (Angels and Demons kinda refined the idea). He said they used to be a group of scientists whose theories as at the time were beginning to make people regard the church less, hence the Roman Catholic church chose to teach them a leson by marking them.

the word illuminati means to illuminate i.e, bring to light, and they aimed to 'expose' the 'deceit' of the church by disproving every theory the church ever held sacred, like niflheim said, they went into hiding when their members were being persecuted and killed. I don't know the rest of the story, but there's this tale that they sought assistance from the devil and exchanged their souls for this, hence the recent illuminati theory.

I watched this interview of a man who was telling the story of the illuminati, and he laughed at the rumours that artistes were members of the said cult, saying Illuminati dealt with business moguls and scientists, and not musicians.

I personally feel that the likes of Jay-Z and co are just feeding on the Illuminati craze, cos the more they do things related to the cult, the more people are intrigued and interested, and every artiste wants to keep his/her act interesting. You've gotta give it the Gagarious Gaga though, she's really putting her all into it

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Nobody: 12:42am On Nov 13, 2012
Angels & Demons (Dan Brown) pretty much explained it all. In fact, that was the first time I heard about the Illuminati, before all the ridiculous came up.

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by Nobody: 12:45am On Nov 13, 2012
I side with them as much as I side with Christianity


Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by trolling(m): 12:49am On Nov 13, 2012
it all depends on who illuminates you.i can call myself illuminati because i kmow who enligthens me light,you guys should know there are two two 'lights',THE GREATER and the lesser,one can be seen and the other infrared or invisible to the Unclad eyes,I'ma leave it right here i could go on and on.Anyways im new to this site,lets rub minds

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Re: Where Do You Stand With Illuminati Theories? by lanreni: 12:53am On Nov 13, 2012
i can send tons of articles & videos of deep research into the illuminati.send email to 07088338644,but it for d open-minded only.they are founded on 13bloodlines.every other secret society have since been incorporated,afterall,they have a common purpose.eg catholics(i have proofs),jesuits,egyptian cults,masons,mormons,church of satan,satanists,brotherhoods,etc.for e.g obama,bush,etc belong to the brotherhood of skull & bones.

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