Na wa oohh. See argument upon confusion.
One truth is that the Catholic church has stayed thousands of years lasted longer than every other christian denomination (close to 2000yrs). And will still last long more. You should all be concerned about making haven not creating suspicious threads/comments.

WHY DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LAST FOR 2000yrs and still strong?? Only God knows.

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TechRev: Na wa oohh. See argument upon confusion.
One truth is that the Catholic church has stayed thousands of years lasted longer than every other christian denomination (close to 2000yrs). And will still last long more. You should all be concerned about making haven not creating suspicious threads/comments.

WHY DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LAST FOR 2000yrs and still strong?? Only God knows.

How would you feel when you are arguing with someone and he/she tells you that his/her church is the only true church? Doesn't that kinda condemn other denominations and christians? I created this thread because most of these folks back up their claims with the passage I quoted in my OP.

I'm not a church goer, but I'm a Christ follower who believes He died for the sins of mankind and says he who believe in Him shall be saved (John 3:16).

So my friend, this thread is not in any way against anyone's faith in Christ or meant to bash anyone! You need to stop believing in the ideas that your 'Church is the most favoured or the only true Church' because your comment strongly suggests you are in support of that!

Question: "What is the
origin of the Catholic
Church?"
Answer: The Roman Catholic
Church contends that its
origin is the death,
resurrection, and ascension
of Jesus Christ in
approximately A.D. 30. The
Catholic Church proclaims
itself to be the church that
Jesus Christ died for, the
church that was established
and built by the apostles. Is
that the true origin of the
Catholic Church? On the
contrary. Even a cursory
reading of the New
Testament will reveal that the
Catholic Church does not
have its origin in the
teachings of Jesus or His
apostles. In the New
Testament, there is no
mention of the papacy,
worship/adoration of Mary
(or the immaculate
conception of Mary, the
perpetual virginity of Mary,
the assumption of Mary, or
Mary as co-redemptrix and
mediatrix), petitioning saints
in heaven for their prayers,
apostolic succession, the
ordinances of the church
functioning as sacraments,
infant baptism, confession of
sin to a priest, purgatory,
indulgences, or the equal
authority of church tradition
and Scripture. So, if the
origin of the Catholic Church
is not in the teachings of
Jesus and His apostles, as
recorded in the New
Testament, what is the true
origin of the Catholic Church?
For the first 280 years of
Christian history, Christianity
was banned by the Roman
Empire, and Christians were
terribly persecuted. This
changed after the
“conversion” of the Roman
Emperor Constantine.
Constantine “legalized”
Christianity with the Edict of
Milan in A.D. 313. Later, in
A.D. 325, Constantine called
the Council of Nicea in an
attempt to unify Christianity.
Constantine envisioned
Christianity as a religion that
could unite the Roman
Empire, which at that time
was beginning to fragment
and divide. While this may
have seemed to be a positive
development for the
Christian church, the results
were anything but positive.
Just as Constantine refused
to fully embrace the Christian
faith, but continued many of
his pagan beliefs and
practices, so the Christian
church that Constantine
promoted was a mixture of
true Christianity and Roman
paganism.
Constantine found that with
the Roman Empire being so
vast, expansive, and diverse,
not everyone would agree to
forsake his or her religious
beliefs to embrace
Christianity. So, Constantine
allowed, and even promoted,
the “Christianization” of
pagan beliefs. Completely
pagan and utterly unbiblical
beliefs were given new
“Christian” identities. Some
clear examples of this are as
follows:
(1) The Cult of Isis, an
Egyptian mother-goddess
religion, was absorbed into
Christianity by replacing Isis
with Mary. Many of the titles
that were used for Isis, such
as “Queen of Heaven,”
“Mother of God,” and
theotokos (“God-bearer”)
were attached to Mary. Mary
was given an exalted role in
the Christian faith, far
beyond what the Bible
ascribes to her, in order to
attract Isis worshippers to a
faith they would not
otherwise embrace. Many
temples to Isis were, in fact,
converted into temples
dedicated to Mary. The first
clear hints of Catholic
Mariology occur in the
writings of Origen, who lived
in Alexandria, Egypt, which
happened to be the focal
point of Isis worship.
(2) Mithraism was a religion
in the Roman Empire in the
1st through 5th centuries
A.D. It was very popular
among the Romans,
especially among Roman
soldiers, and was possibly
the religion of several Roman
emperors. While Mithraism
was never given “official”
status in the Roman Empire,
it was the de facto official
religion until Constantine and
succeeding Roman emperors
replaced Mithraism with
Christianity. One of the key
features of Mithraism was a
sacrificial meal, which
involved eating the flesh and
drinking the blood of a bull.
Mithras, the god of
Mithraism, was “present” in
the flesh and blood of the
bull, and when consumed,
granted salvation to those
who partook of the sacrificial
meal (this is known as
theophagy, the eating of
one’s god). Mithraism also
had seven “sacraments,”
making the similarities
between Mithraism and
Roman Catholicism too many
to ignore. Constantine and
his successors found an easy
substitute for the sacrificial
meal of Mithraism in the
concept of the Lord’s
Supper/Christian
communion. Sadly, some
early Christians had already
begun to attach mysticism to
the Lord’s Supper, rejecting
the biblical concept of a
simple and worshipful
remembrance of Christ’s
death and shed blood. The
Romanization of the Lord’s
Supper made the transition
to a sacrificial consumption
of Jesus Christ, now known
as the Catholic Mass/
Eucharist, complete.
(3) Most Roman emperors
(and citizens) were
henotheists. A henotheist is
one who believes in the
existence of many gods, but
focuses primarily on one
particular god or considers
one particular god supreme
over the other gods. For
example, the Roman god
Jupiter was supreme over
the Roman pantheon of
gods. Roman sailors were
often worshippers of
Neptune, the god of the
oceans. When the Catholic
Church absorbed Roman
paganism, it simply replaced
the pantheon of gods with
the saints. Just as the Roman
pantheon of gods had a god
of love, a god of peace, a god
of war, a god of strength, a
god of wisdom, etc., so the
Catholic Church has a saint
who is “in charge” over each
of these, and many other
categories. Just as many
Roman cities had a god
specific to the city, so the
Catholic Church provided
“patron saints” for the cities.
(4) The supremacy of the
Roman bishop (the papacy)
was created with the support
of the Roman emperors.
With the city of Rome being
the center of government for
the Roman Empire, and with
the Roman emperors living in
Rome, the city of Rome rose
to prominence in all facets of
life. Constantine and his
successors gave their
support to the bishop of
Rome as the supreme ruler
of the church. Of course, it is
best for the unity of the
Roman Empire that the
government and state
religion be centered in the
same location. While most
other bishops (and
Christians) resisted the idea
of the Roman bishop being
supreme, the Roman bishop
eventually rose to
supremacy, due to the power
and influence of the Roman
emperors. When the Roman
Empire collapsed, the popes
took on the title that had
previously belonged to the
Roman emperors –
Pontificus Maximus.
Many more examples could
be given. These four should
suffice in demonstrating the
true origin of the Catholic
Church. Of course the
Roman Catholic Church
denies the pagan origin of its
beliefs and practices. The
Catholic Church disguises its
pagan beliefs under layers of
complicated theology. The
Catholic Church excuses and
denies its pagan origin
beneath the mask of “church
tradition.” Recognizing that
many of its beliefs and
practices are utterly foreign
to Scripture, the Catholic
Church is forced to deny the
authority and sufficiency of
Scripture.
The origin of the Catholic
Church is the tragic
compromise of Christianity
with the pagan religions that
surrounded it. Instead of
proclaiming the gospel and
converting the pagans, the
Catholic Church
“Christianized” the pagan
religions, and “paganized”
Christianity. By blurring the
differences and erasing the
distinctions, yes, the Catholic
Church made itself attractive
to the people of the Roman
Empire. One result was the
Catholic Church becoming
the supreme religion in the
“Roman world” for centuries.
However, another result was
the most dominant form of
Christianity apostatizing from
the true gospel of Jesus
Christ and the true
proclamation of God’s Word.
Second Timothy 4:3-4
declares, “For the time will
come when men will not put
up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own
desires, they will gather
around them a great number
of teachers to say what their
itching ears want to hear.
They will turn their ears away
from the truth and turn aside
to myths.”
Recommended Resource:
Reasoning from the
Scriptures with Catholics by
Ron Rhodes
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italo:

The Catholic Church existed before the Bible and created it.

So you don't go to the Bible for the history of The Catholic Church, rather, you go to the Catholic Church for the history of the Bible.



The Holy Bible wasn't enough for the early Christians, infact it didn't even exist then... And it surely wasn't enough for St. Paul who said in 2Thess 2:15: "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter."

But apparently, you know better than St. Paul.

It's really nothing short of pride for any one or organization to claim to have a higher authority than the bible. That's a clear sign that you are not representing the church of Jesus Christ, but a cult.

The Bible does not need any human being or organization to endorse it. Even it had been abandoned, unknown to history for ages and dug up in the recent time by an atheist archeologist, the words of life within the text will resonate with the Holy Spirit present in us (for He was the one that inspired the texts) and we will know it is the word of God.

So quit all this posturing about the Catholic church being the custodian of the Bible. God does not share glory with anyone. Remember the Pharisees that lorded themselves as custodians of the truth because they were from Abraham's bloodline? Remember what John the Baptist said to them? He told them flat out that their blood line meant nothing, and that God could raise stones to become sons of Abraham (Matthew 3:9). So please take these points and really think on them.

seriallink:

How would you feel when you are arguing with someone and he/she tells you that his/her church is the only true church? Doesn't that kinda condemn other denominations and christians? I created this thread because most of these folks back up their claims with the passage I quoted in my OP.

I'm not a church goer, but I'm a Christ follower who believes He died for the sins of mankind and says he who believe in Him shall be saved (John 3:16).

So my friend, this thread is not in any way against anyone's faith in Christ or meant to bash anyone! You need to stop believing in the ideas that your 'Church is the most favoured or the only true Church' because your comment strongly suggests you are in support of that!

You infuriated these guys when you said they actually said other denominations are hell-bound and they truly dealt with you with good points.

I hate baseless argument, but favour arguments with good points which you failed to deliver.

Next time start a thread you can defend well..good 9te

Teenage Money: I rather join muslim than go to anyother church....


All tackling Catholic from every angle...

Well, that was hw Christ was tackled in his days....

@op, Which Church was in Existence b4 Catholic

If there is any, then that is the church... But if there isnt, u can now answer youur question urrself

Please hide your ignorance. there were churches before Christ came on earth and some of those churches are still in existence. All the temple of God mentioned in the bible are what?. Even Christ in Matt 21:12-13, made mention of my house have been turned into a den of thieves.
Are these not places of prayer that we referred to as churches of today.
Let us follow the weightier things which is living a holy life and showing of love instead of chasing churches. You will surely not be asked which church you attended while on earth but if you live a godly life.

most people just blindfold themselves with this thing called religion. it is the cause of 65% of the problems in the world.
as for the catholic church, most of you all need to consult history and see how this organisation grew up.
it is an organisation shrouded in dark monumental secrets and they would do anything, even kill, to keep their secrets.
we all get mad and angry when we see some muslim groups like BokoHaram try to force islam on people by means of violence and we get sad when we see them bomb those catholic churches. the catholic church is not innocent of such practices.
the Catholic church liquidated over 700,000 orthodox Serbians in Croatia, Yugoslavia, during the years 1940-1945.
consult history, she will reveal everything to those who want to know.

[size=20pt]20th Century Catholic Church Atrocities[/size]


Catholic extermination camps

Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!

In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them.



Catholic terror in Vietnam

In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam.

Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.

The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
"Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."
Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps.



Rwanda Massacres

In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.

Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.

In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..."



John Wycliffe

Wycliffe wanted people to worship God and Jesus according to the Bible. He saw that there was no good sense in taking one’s troubles to a priest, so the priest could make one feel better. Communication directly with God, via prayer, was not impossible, but required an understanding of the Bible, and the next entry outlines a specific grievance Wycliffe had with the Church on this subject. He was the first to translate the complete Bible into English, which did not endear him to the Catholic hierarchy. He died three days after suffering a stroke during Mass. 30 years later, the Council of Constance ended “the three popes’ reign” and elected Alexander V, who immediately denounced Wycliffe as a heretic, had as many of his books burned as could be found on the Continent and in England, excommunicated and consigned to everlasting flames from the moment of his death. In 1428, Pope Martin V had him dug up and burned at the stake.

Revolva: As for me I don't see any gardamm church as the true church because even the catholics have lots of skeleton in their cupboard -- so nobody holy pass - amd for all you nigerians going to masses receiving unholy communion -- I laff una , because you all don't know whjat you are doing ? Follow follow .. Some will say but I was born a catholic ,,, now ask me was your grandpapa a catholic lost africans

Holy Communion:

John 6
47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Many Disciples Desert Jesus

60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

The Catholics can accept it.

gzib:

Please hide your ignorance. there were churches before Christ came on earth and some of those churches are still in existence. All the temple of God mentioned in the bible are what?. Even Christ in Matt 21:12-13, made mention of my house have been turned into a den of thieves.
Are these not places of prayer that we referred to as churches of today.
Let us follow the weightier things which is living a holy life and showing of love instead of chasing churches. You will surely not be asked which church you attended while on earth but if you live a godly life.

''Behold you are Peter, Upon this Rock I will build MY CHURCH. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, whatever u bound on earth is bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth is loose in heaven'' Jesus Christ to Peter.

With the above, Jesus established His church. All the first christians and churches (the early church) came under Peter as their head. All other places of worship ended up under Judaism. Peter is the first head (1st Pope) and was crucified upside down. He was buried in Rome and his grave is where the Vatican has its Basilica.

Any church that Supports war, killing and politics is not a good church. I haven't mentioned any name. So put one and two together. A criminal politician just left detention, guess what! He went to church to do....guess what again!.....THANKSGIVING!!! The Bible refers to False religion as the "Harlot" faking to do God's will yet going against God's will. Do not KILL, Do Not STEAL......enough words.

[size=16pt]I think you all need to see this and get more insight on the catholic people and their darling popes. OMG! this world is older than we think and a lot of things has happened. especially in catholic history[/size].


http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-catholic-church-crimes-against-humanity/question-2156117/

says who? a church that worships images

THE TRUTH
The Catholic church is the only church founded by Jesus Christ himself
all other churches are as a result of one man selfish interest..this has continued till 2day
U will never hear dat Pope Benedict haff bought a private jet

Sometimes it baffles me when people spill their ignorance.........
The Roman catholic church wasn't the 1st church. The 1st ever church was in jerusalem, then it spread gradually from asia minor(some parts of morden day turkey) till it got to rome. And it was the apostel Paul who took the gospel there not peter. Peter was among the elders in the first church in jerusalem. ThE 1st organised(national) church was the gregorian church,in Armenia, whic is tsill in existence till today. It exisTed 30 yeArs before the romAn catholic church. What gave the romAn catholic church the advantage was that Rome was the world power at that time.

The clAim of the Roman catholic church founded by Peter is based on tradition not histOricAl facts........
Eraly organised churches even sprang out from africa within the period the Roman catholic church was founded, like the coptic church of egypt and that of ethopiA which are also still in existence

Peter was Among the heads of the 1st church hiCh was founded in Jerusalem few years after the death of JesuS CHrist.
Paul was the adventurer who took the Gospel to the romAns And its colonies. Paul was even a citizen of rome n a scholar

For creating these thread you are the most stupid on mother earth, please @Admin make una lock this thread ,and you the owner if you no get work, come my place make I give you clothes wash I go pay weell fool!

youngprofdguru: For creating these thread you are the most stupid on mother earth, please @Admin make una lock this thread ,and you the owner if you no get work, come my place make I give you clothes wash I go pay weell fool!

Damn! I can see you are pissed . Take it easy, it's a virtual world and you can not do anything about it! Even muslims with their intolerance are being challenged with crazier questions here on Nairaland. It's a good thread that's why it made the front page I'll leave you with this verse for calling me a fool:

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire

Edit: As for your offer, I laughed so hard! From your profile, I can tell you are a web designer! Web designers don't hire professionals like me; we are not in the same class! Look for folks in your class. I'm gainfully employed

try69:


You infuriated these guys when you said they actually said other denominations are hell-bound and they truly dealt with you with good points.

I hate baseless argument, but favour arguments with good points which you failed to deliver.

Next time start a thread you can defend well..good 9te

If you check carefully, you'll find out that I didn't create this thread to argue but to know other people's view on the verse I quoted in my OP, both Catholics and other denominations! So, the thread isn't a debate but a honest question.

The replies I received from some people were very okay and useful. Some of those who came at me with attacks and insults actually thought I created the thread to mock the Catholic Church because we've had several arguments about some Catholic doctrines in the past. Resorting to that verse as evidence that their Church is the only true Church completely condemns other denominations. As you can see, even some knowledgeable Catholics contributed good points.

Infact, this is exactly how I wanted the thread to be so I can show some ignorant Catholics to educate them; so, no biggie!! At least some of their knowledgeable brothers and sisters contributed and gave good interpretations to that verse!!

I reiterate, the thread wasn't started for a debate or for me to defend any side. Those who wanted to answer my question did with good points, so, no regrets!

You re just a jobless fool...u proudly say you dnt go to church yet u sit write rubbish...what do you nd d comment for anyway.....I c no reason y u guys shld try to skool this pagan who raised this tread cos you re not on d same page wit him...cnt u c he proudly justifies ignorantly y he doesn't go to church...fool.

baron212: You re just a jobless fool...u proudly say you dnt go to church yet u sit write rubbish...what do you nd d comment for anyway.....I c no reason y u guys shld try to skool this pagan who raised this tread cos you re not on d same page wit him...cnt u c he proudly justifies ignorantly y he doesn't go to church...fool.

You are the jobless cretin here my friend! What is wrong with you? I might be a pagan to you but not to God.

If you think you are good enough to engage pagans or atheists in debates, you should frequent the religion section.

Idiotic slowpoke, displaying ignorance and stúpidity on a public forum! Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Smh!!! So, I shouldn't ask a question on a public forum because fucktards like you exist? Arghhh'!!! Disgusting and childish comment!!!!

How old are you btw?

elampiro:

''Behold you are Peter, Upon this Rock I will build MY CHURCH. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, whatever u bound on earth is bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth is loose in heaven'' Jesus Christ to Peter.

With the above, Jesus established His church. All the first christians and churches (the early church) came under Peter as their head. All other places of worship ended up under Judaism. Peter is the first head (1st Pope) and was crucified upside down. He was buried in Rome and his grave is where the Vatican has its Basilica.

Don't speak of things you don't know please! Did Peter ever bow down to Mary? That is the simple question you just have to answer and am done!

seriallink: Which of the Churches was Christ referring to in the passage below:

Matthew 16:17-19 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I have observed that most Catholics believe that Jesus was actually referring to them in the passages I quoted above.

I want to know your views on this because most Catholics believe they are the one true Church and other Churches are hell bound. I'm not a Church goer and personally do not believe that going to Church is necessary or compulsory for salvation, but I'd still like to know your views on this!

Thank you.

If you are not a church goer as you PROUDLY posited, then why dabble into the affairs of church goers? Also, the argument is out of point, baseless, makes no sense. Only unconstructive minds will try to argue those baseless points with you.

unongu:

If you are not a church goer as you PROUDLY posited, then why dabble into the affairs of church goers? Also, the argument is out of point, baseless, makes no sense. Only unconstructive minds will try to argue those baseless points with you.

Must you comment if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute? And who says the thread is an argument or a debate? Smh for some folks!!!

So, because I'm not a Church goer you think I'm doomed? I believe in Christ, that makes me a Christian. I asked for people's view not a debate!!

baron212: You re just a jobless fool...u proudly say you dnt go to church yet u sit write rubbish...what do you nd d comment for anyway.....I c no reason y u guys shld try to skool this pagan who raised this tread cos you re not on d same page wit him...cnt u c he proudly justifies ignorantly y he doesn't go to church...fool.

you go to church don't you? then i hope you remember what the Bible says about any one that calls the other a fool.
you are just throwing stones at him because he dont go to church.
if this is the case, then christian journalists should be stoned if they talk about muslims and other religions.
and by the way, must every one go to church? is it a ticket to eternal life or heaven?

I am a proud Catholic gbam! When properity preaching and fake miracles exploded in Nigeria in the 70s, a lot of catholics left the church seeking for immediate solution to their problems as usually promised by these preachers and the catholic church population plummeted. Today most catholic churches can not cope with the reverse migration and have been creating more masses in each parish to be able to cope. I have never heard a catholic priest conderm other churches. In fact the appostles creed of the catholic church makes it clear that they believe in the holy catholic and appostolic churches. 2000 years of existence and over 1.2 billion people? Surely God has His hands here.

Yess d catholic church is the Mother Church, odas r offshoots

ikachi1: I am a proud Catholic gbam! When properity preaching and fake miracles exploded in Nigeria in the 70s, a lot of catholics left the church seeking for immediate solution to their problems as usually promised by these preachers and the catholic church population plummeted. Today most catholic churches can not cope with the reverse migration and have been creating more masses in each parish to be able to cope. I have never heard a catholic priest conderm other churches. In fact the appostles creed of the catholic church makes it clear that they believe in the holy catholic and appostolic churches. 2000 years of existence and over 1.2 billion people? Surely God has His hands here.

are you a catholic or a christian?
i bet you have not taken time to read the history of the Catholic Church and how they butchered and burned and tortured millions of people who refused christianity or the rule of the catholic church.
why are you bothered with the issue of what church other people choose to attend? is salvation a collective race?
having 3 billion people in the catholic church does not wash away their dirty and evil history or make them better than any other church .. well, the Bible said the road to hell is wide so there is no surprise if the number is that much in a church that sought to hide the bible from people and burnt the first copies of translated bible.
attend mass. a ceremony where you perform the same rituals in the same order every other day. and be in a state of grace before communion.
grace which is given by the priest after you say your confessions to him.
lastly, you lied. the catholic church doesnt have up to 1.2 Billion people. how many christians do we have in the world?

seriallink: Which of the Churches was Christ referring to in the passage below:

Matthew 16:17-19 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I have observed that most Catholics believe that Jesus was actually referring to them in the passages I quoted above.

I want to know your views on this because most Catholics believe they are the one true Church and other Churches are hell bound. I'm not a Church goer and personally do not believe that going to Church is necessary or compulsory for salvation, but I'd still like to know your views on this!

Thank you.

firstly, look for a church and attend any one will do. Second ask yourself, when did the church begine, where and how, then, why do think there are so many churches today claiming one GOD. Then answer this, muslims and christians who is wrong who is right?

The religion called christianity is a religion created out of paganism that's all I know so no body holy pass - ok you fools here praising what a white man did to fool you all are all bloody zomibes - I can go to church for just social reason that's all I don't trust any domination because they are also humans like me the same sin in me is in all of them. Just me and my oun faith and if there is a supreme being that created us I believe he is watching me ....