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Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by truthislight: 8:11pm On Dec 15, 2012 |
sylve11: Italo I dey shame for u. Ijawkid just finished u and all u could do's constant repetition of words. Sorry to say, I am catholic and same time a christian, but when matters like 'Catholics worship Idols surfaces, I keep quiet and never speak a word'. If u can answer some of ijawkid's questions, then this whole protestant vs catholic would have been over. As a catholic, I don't support the idea of bowing down to Mary whom I don't even know her looks; the rest of my brethren can crucify me for saying this but I don't care. If the bible was compiled by catholic, then where's it in the bible we should bow before Mary's image? Ijawkid made valid points even though I don't take side with his doctrine. Ur questions are annoying. If Ijawkid and the rest of the protestant or pentecostal bow to worship their bible, that is their own cup of tea. Infact the way Christianity is going now, I don't truly _stand who are the true Christians anymore. God of the heavens and Christ Your Son I believe in. Private jets flying all around in the name of Christ.; as for who came 1st or 2nd is non of ma business, my only question is ' what is happening to Christianity as a body' or religion? *sad* Hmmm! You know what? The thief by Jesus side was qualified for paradise for speaking the truth, please, keep standing for the truth. Please. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by truthislight: 8:21pm On Dec 15, 2012 |
Enigma: Hmmm! Well, i kind of liked this. Not less than 95/100. Peace |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 10:28pm On Dec 15, 2012 |
Boomark:i thought u had at least a little bible sense to piece my comment together, but d above shows a fatal flaw in ur comprehension. So mayb i shuld give it to u in milk form. Wen i said yeah God built a building, the church, i was refering to 1 cor 3:7, the apostles as foundation was a direct ref to eph2:20. So learn to open ur head and think before u begin to type and dont give anyone a reason to call u dumb! And lastly d remains weren't used to build house of worship instead the early xtians built houses of worship upon d grave of each apostle, both to safeguard it and to symbolise d spiritual by d material. I wont be suprised if u dont undastand. I can't be a catholic because am not deluded to practice idolatry.you cant be a catholic becos u are interested in ur untruth. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 10:31pm On Dec 15, 2012 |
Boomark:hahaha, i remember a proverb, agama agama fell from d top of d iroko, looked both sides a no one praised him, he nod his head and praised him self. E no easy 1 Like |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 11:28pm On Dec 15, 2012 |
Enigma:or so because "the church" was named catholic church that means it is no longer d church christ establish abi? That is a strawman. That is no 1 strawman, i will addres d rest later |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Nobody: 4:02am On Dec 16, 2012 |
italo: Poo!! With all the gibberish you wrote up there, it's clear that you either lack reading comprehension skills or you a are very dishonest debater. Nonsense!!! You want to twist my words huh Mr. Twister? What is the difference between the bolded and what I wrote in my previous post? Smh!!! I won't waste my time replying your post again since you've resorted to your usual attitude of fighting over what you can't change! Going by the bolded part, it's glaring that sooner or later, Catholics like you will start calling other Christians infidels. Smh again and again!!! Being a dedicated Roman Catholic Church member doesn't guarantee your salvation. You have to work out your salvation yourself. Better start working on it now, don't say I didn't tell you!! Your Church can't save you or anyone, salvation is an individual thing; the earlier you get that into your brains the better for you!!! It's crystal clear that the delusion stated in the scripture below is for folks like you. 2Thessalonians 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 1 Like |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by italo: 8:15am On Dec 16, 2012 |
seriallink: "Dishonest?" That word belongs to you, as any sane person can testify. seriallink: You want to twist my words huh Mr. Twister? What is the difference between the bolded and what I wrote in my previous post? Daftie! The difference is that you are implying that ALL who reject some Catholic teachings are hellbound. I'm saying ONLY those who KNOW that the Catholic faith is the true faith and REJECT it are condemned, not ALL. What part of Nigeria are you from, let me post it in your local language. seriallink: Smh!!! I won't waste my time replying your post again since you've resorted to your usual attitude of fighting over what you can't change! Going by the bolded part, it's glaring that sooner or later, Catholics like you will start calling other Christians infidels. Smh again and again!!! You are the one fighting against what you can't change - The position of the Catholic Church and its doctrine. I am fighting against the error of protestantism which is constantly changing anyway. seriallink: Being a dedicated Roman Catholic Church member doesn't guarantee your salvation. You have to work out your salvation yourself. Better start working on it now, don't say I didn't tell you!! You are just manufacturing teachings that you wish the Catholic Church had, and debunking you fabricated teachings yourself. Tell that to your fellow protestants. You are the ones that say SOLA FIDE is sufficient, meaning all you have to do is have faith in Jesus (thereby becoming a member of what they call the church of Christ). You don't have to WORK out you salvation. Just accept Jesus as your personal Lord and saviour. It is the Catholic Church that holds firm and says you must WORK towards your salvation in addition to having faith. The Church possesses all the means for salvation through the sacraments but you have to use them to live and work out your faith. Now you are trying to force your false doctrine on us and accuse us of your crimes. Shameless hypocrisy! |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Nobody: 10:23am On Dec 16, 2012 |
^^^@Italo, A hypocrite like you callings folks hypocrites? I smh for you italo!!! You think I have the time to be running round in circles with you over issues like this? Look for brainwashed Catholic bigots like yourself to lecture on matters of christianity, not me!!! Nonsense! italo: ^^^^ Wow, dummy you!!! You should have made your point clearer, instead of using the 'Catholic Church' for your explanation! It's much more easier and clearer to say those who know the 'Supremacy of the Body of Christ (Christianity as a whole)' and reject it are damned!!! Example, spiritual satanists and other unbelievers! But when you say those who know that the catholic church is the only true church and reject it are doomed, it will mean you are referring to Christians of other denominations who do not practice the Catholic doctrines! ^^^^ Believe it or not, that wasn't my point of argument, I created that thread because some Catholics I have met and argued with resorted to Matthew 16-18-19 as proof that their Church is the only true Church and other denominations/Christians are damned! You may NOT think that way but that doesn't change the fact that some catholics understand that passage differently. So, before you start ranting and spewing bullcraps next time, try to make your point clearer. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Lovethywilbedon: 1:02pm On Dec 16, 2012 |
plappville:Perfect! YES, it is still the same UNIVERSAL/Catholic Church that was born on the Pentecost day that we have today because HISTORY(including the one written by Protestant Historians) did not record that THIS TRUE CHURCH DISAPPEARED at any time or change into something else other UNIVERSAL/Catholic. Remember that Christ said in Matthew16:18 that the gate of hell cannot overcome this church born on pentecost and latter became known as UNIVERSAL/Catholic. So it is either that Christ is "Lieing" when He made that statement or you are Lieing when you said that this TRUE CHURCH(UNIVERSAL/Catholic) changed her method, have a different doctrine and is now known for Idolatry. But guess what? You and I know THAT CHRIST CANNOT LIE, but I don't know IF YOU CAN LIE. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by FXKing2012(m): 4:36pm On Dec 16, 2012 |
I read a book about a little girl whose eyes was opened and saw hell. She saw a young boy who was in hell for being disobedient. She also saw a pope there. Pls these are not my words oooo, itz just a book I read. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by mygirrl: 10:27am On Dec 17, 2012 |
mkmyers45: Babylon is in either Iraq or Iran i'm not too sure, besides peter's ministry was concentrated in Jerusale. Paul was the one that spread the Gospel in Rome along with some other missionaries that went with him |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by italo: 8:24am On Dec 18, 2012 |
mygirrl: ...as far as you know...*smiles* |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by FXKing2012(m): 3:13pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
italo:watz funny |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by FXKing2012(m): 6:03am On Dec 28, 2012 |
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Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 1:25am On Jan 14, 2013 |
I promise a correction bt d holiday took my time so i'll give dem anyway Enigma:be careful, ignatuis wasn't in rome, he was d bishop of antioch! And he wrote dat d roman see presided in love ove d whole church! And up till today d church of antioch is still presided over by d roman see! And d successor of ignatuis is presided by d bishop of rome as was ignatius! coined the expression "catholic", he did not mean it as a denomination at all. He was trying to highlight the oneness of the Church; and he meant by catholic essentially universal.i totally agree! He was highlighting d oneness of d church! That is y anyone wu didnt abide by dat onenes was considerd a heretic and schimatic It is a pity that Roman Catholics reject this original meaning of catholic; that they dissociate themselves from the catholic Church, which is the universal Church, in order to advance their very very sad denominationalism!this is a fairytale! Wen ignatuis used d word catholic church he was refering to those wu held d onedoctrine of christ, all wu didnt weren't called catholics but instead name after d heresy they follow! It is true that about 200-250 years after Ignatius coined the word catholic with its original meaning, a particular appropriation of the word took place particularly in the time of Theodosius (and Damasus); even that does not compare with the misuse of the word today.u haven't shown how d word is misused today, did ignatuis or damascus call heretic catholics? Pls ansa! If dey didnt den y shuld catholics do so? As for the other denominations (other than Roman Catholic), each has its own problems including shortcomings on both orthodoxy and orthopraxy. So no one is perfect. It may appear paradoxical that the Church in its different faces or denominations has all these problems. Yet we need to bear a number of things in mind: the warnings from Jesus Himself and from the apostles that wolves etc will come into and be inside the Church! Second, even as for Christians who are trying to do right, there is one thing we must remember: one can only do it if one constantly submits to the Holy Spirit. I think this is where we miss it and this is a very significant cause of all these our difficulties.i don't have a problem wit d above, but it would be gud 4 u to learn how d word "catholic" was used by d early xtians, it was never used to describe a heretic or anyone wu held false doctrines! Peace |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 1:33am On Jan 14, 2013 |
Enigma:so u mean christ found all d churches dat started in d 16th century how funny, christ lived in d 1st century. Again how come d so called worldwide church u claim christ founded have very contradictory teachings! It seem u are saying christ failed. Sorry but protestanism isnt history christainity and if protestanism isn't then penticostalism doesnt stand a chance |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 1:37am On Jan 14, 2013 |
Boomark:now this is uncharitable! I dont twist pipo comments! And hey wu made u judge! U were d one wu said predestination isnt biblical right? |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 1:46am On Jan 14, 2013 |
seriallink:how would you knowc this is among d reason y i cant associate protestanism with history christianity. The above show an interesting ignorance of the historic creeds, mayb enigma knows dem and can xplain. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 1:51am On Jan 14, 2013 |
Enigma:here is d difference, paul could accuse peter of a seemingly wrong practice not of a wrong doctrine. The church christ established had conformity in doctrine dat is y d council of jerusalem was convocked, to proclaim "thus is what it is". Ur idea of d church of christ with contradictory doctrine is an illusion! |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 1:53am On Jan 14, 2013 |
Enigma:dis is more intarasting! Does dis mean dat enigma is ignorant of d historic creed so he cant even recognise it? |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 1:57am On Jan 14, 2013 |
Enigma:intarasting! Do u mind xplaining no4? |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 2:00am On Jan 14, 2013 |
plappville:and plapp is also ignorant of d historic creeds! How can protestants still claim to b historic christian wen dey cant even trace their roots? |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 2:02am On Jan 14, 2013 |
Boomark:old news! Ask enigma to teach u abt d 7th ecumenical council, if he know abt it. I doubt u will accept what i say! |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 2:03am On Jan 14, 2013 |
chasy16:it only annoys u because u cant say same 4 u denomination. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 2:12am On Jan 14, 2013 |
seriallink:d question i alway ask, where is it written dat all doctrine must be in d bible? |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 2:14am On Jan 14, 2013 |
truthislight:u neva disappoint me, ofcux u have started throwing scriptures around. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Boomark(m): 6:30am On Jan 14, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: now this is uncharitable! I dont twist pipo comments! And hey wu made u judge! U were d one wu said predestination isnt biblical right? The type of predestination i meant is the type a catholic ones told me. He said, "if any one commits suicide, God has destined him to die that day and by that means." Anytin that looks like this is certainly not in the bible. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Boomark(m): 7:00am On Jan 14, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: here is d difference, paul could accuse peter of a seemingly wrong practice not of a wrong doctrine. The church christ established had conformity in doctrine dat is y d council of jerusalem was convocked, to proclaim "thus is what it is". Ur idea of d church of christ with contradictory doctrine is an illusion! Enigma was right. The true doctrine of the church of Christ is Solely base on the scripture. The man made doctrines of the catholic, winners, assemblies, etc, are what contradicts one another. A catholic or a deeper life member will not tell you that their church doctrines contradicts itself. |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by DanielNoble(m): 7:09am On Jan 14, 2013 |
2good: your level if delusion is beyond imagination. Pentecostal movement originated from the Lutheran church created by a former Roman Catholic German monk called Martin Luther. Get a proper history education and stop reading your bibleare u a demon? Y would u ask some1 to stop reading his Bible? |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Boomark(m): 7:12am On Jan 14, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: d question i alway ask, where is it written dat all doctrine must be in d bible? the doctrine in the bible is more than enough for Christians to follow. That is the doctrine of the church Christ raised. Where did you get other doctrine you follow? |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by Boomark(m): 7:20am On Jan 14, 2013 |
DanielNoble: are u a demon? Y would u ask some1 to stop reading his Bible? That is what they encourage. SMH!!! |
Re: Pentecostal Christians Existed Before Roman Catholic by DanielNoble(m): 10:49am On Jan 14, 2013 |
IF YOU ARE DOING ANYTHING CHRIST AND HIS APOSTLES DID NOT TEACH THEN YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN!!! |
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