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Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by MrAnony1(m): 7:46pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
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Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by MrAnony1(m): 7:48pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
musKeeto:was he now? I asked you a question. What was the name of the religion Abraham practiced? |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by mazaje(m): 7:48pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: If this is true then theist will be more moral than atheist, the fact that theist are NOT more moral than atheist says your theory is false. . .The fear of authority(societal) and the penalty associated with crime is what makes people desist from crime. . .The benefits of fairness and honesty is what makes people people display such virtues. . . |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by MrAnony1(m): 7:51pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
mazaje:I think you should read down through the discussion and come up to speed. |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by mazaje(m): 7:52pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: But many atheist have told the truth even when it cost them their lives. . .If your assertion is true then religious people will be more truthful than atheist no?. . .NOTHING I know shows that. . . |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by mazaje(m): 7:53pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: ALL I have written are pertinent to the discussion. . . |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 8:00pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Mr_Anony:And I asked you a question. Was Abraham an atheist? |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by MrAnony1(m): 8:06pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
mazaje:Good, now you've come up to speed. . . . . The question you now have to answer as an atheist is: What is the logic behind losing your life because you insist that something is true? .... .. ... ... especially when you believe that death is the the ultimate tragedy and there is nothing to gain for insisting on it. Do you hate your life that much? |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by MrAnony1(m): 8:08pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
musKeeto:No he was not. Now answer my question: What was the name of Abraham's religion? |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 9:22pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Good. We've ascertained he believed in a God. I was addressing this post. Mr_Anony: None of my business what religion he adhered to. He believed in a God who believed in him too. So this post Mr_Anony:Is quite untrue as religious or non religious people may be honest when it's convenient. As for matter of trust, well that depends on the circumstances. |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 9:28pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Good. We've ascertained he believed in a God. I was addressing this post. Mr_Anony: None of my business what religion he adhered to. He believed in a God who believed in him too. So this post Mr_Anony:Is quite untrue as religious or non religious people may be honest when it's convenient. As for matter of trust, well that depends on the circumstances. |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 9:37pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Morality doesnt come from God. the basis for human morality from evolution and logic. We define good based on our logic, survival and harm. We evolve instincts to survive and these insticts forms part of a primal morality. An animalistic morality Why do we instinctively cuddle babies and breastfeed them? It is an evolutionary instinct to keep them warm and make the survive. We also do calculations. logical calculations. Why is it evil for a company not to disclose its influential holdings in subsidiaries? Because it logically follows that they can use those subsidiaries to do shady business at the expense of customers and shareholders. Anony is a tool. He doesnt know jack shytt about morality. Only deluded people claim that morality is from God. We can see what religious peeps are doing today to destroy that notion |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 9:38pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Muskeeto, you are needed here; https://www.nairaland.com/1144911/atheist-agenda-2013-all-atheists |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by mazaje(m): 10:45pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Many reasons. . .For justice to prevail. . .Nope but for the fact that you want justice to prevail and you want to contribute to the betterment of the world around you. . .It seems you don't have an idea of what disintrested goodness is. . .So the only reason you are good is because you expect reward when you die. . .Really?. . .Hmmmm. . . |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 12:06pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
mazaje: Majaze, you are also needed on this thread please; Logicboy03: Muskeeto, you are needed here; |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by MrAnony1(m): 12:53pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
musKeeto: Good. We've ascertained he believed in a God. I was addressing this post.In all this, you have missed something important.... 1. You cannot tell what religion Abraham was practicing, and what his religious requirements were yet you are suggesting that he was somehow not practicing it. How come? 2.More to the point I believe you are trying to make: Abraham in his covenant with God didn't have a "thou shalt not lie" clause therefore he wasn't bound so to speak to tell Abimelech that Sarah was his wife. The point I am making to Seun is simple. No one can hold a virtue as a principle to uphold above himself if he/she doesn't hold that the principle comes from one higher than himself who he is bound to be faithful to. For instance one of Jesus' commands was to love our enemies (matthew 5:44). Now someone who held that principle to the death was Stephen - Even when he was being stoned to death, he was praying for God's forgiveness for those who killed him. Why? because he was faithful to the one who commissioned him I repeat that there is no atheist who has a logical reason to love his/her enemies to the point of his/her death especially since his values emanate from himself, the reasons for his principles will tend towards self-preservation as Seun has shown here. |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by MrAnony1(m): 1:06pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
mazaje:I will ignore the strawman argument at the end (the reason I am good is not because I hope to make heaven if I am good enough, I am already saved so my good works are in honour of my saviour. They are not a means to an end rather they are the result of my salvation). Let me remind you that you haven't given me one logical reason why your opinion of a better world is more important than your life. |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Kay17: 3:18pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Isn't a State higher than an individual?! |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by MrAnony1(m): 3:29pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
Kay 17:Are you willing to hold up "the State" as an absolute moral authority for people? |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Kay17: 3:50pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Especially when it has punitive powers just like God. |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Wahala90: 4:20pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
Seun: You guys still need real education. Why do people swear in court? and why is it that, for long in the USA (and till now in some places) atheists are not considered qualified and therefore not allowed to testify in court? trae_z: Why insult me? Do you think this is a school for dummies? |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 4:23pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
Wahala90: Sorry but yourstatement shows what is wrong with many religious people today. They choose to argue with half baked knowledge and illogical premises. You are allowed to make an affirmation rather than swearing to God in courts. This is basic knowledge. Atheists are allowed to testify in court in the USA . |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Wahala90: 8:14pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
Logicboy03: They choose to argue with half baked knowledge and illogical premises.You think you know a lot; that is your problem. You talk so much and make no sense. Logicboy03: Atheists are allowed to testify in court in the USA.Read my sentence well and you will see "for long". |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 8:19pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
Wahala90: Wahala90: |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Wahala90: 8:27pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
See, e.g., United States v. Miller, 236 F. 798, 799 (W.D. Wash., N.D. 1916) (citing Thurston v. Whitney et al., 2 Cush. (Mass.) 104; Jones on Evidence, Blue Book, vol. 4, §§ 712, 713) ("Under the common-law rule a person who does not believe in a God who is the rewarder of truth and the avenger of falsehood cannot be permitted to testify) |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Wahala90: 8:32pm On Dec 30, 2012 |
@logicfool What is that dumb thing you just did quoting me without your comment |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by UyiIredia(m): 7:02pm On Jan 01, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Morality doesnt come from God. It does. We infer this because we know morality isn't a property of physical matter it is an aspect of intelligence. Logicboy03: the basis for human morality from evolution and logic. Nonsense. Evolution lacks intelligence and logic starts to assume morality since a simple definition of logic is rules of proper thinking. Logicboy03: We define good based on our logic, survival and harm. Circular reasoning. You have already attached moral values to the terms 'logic', 'survival' and 'harm'. It likes saying we defne good based on things we think are good. Logicboy03: We evolve instincts to survive and these insticts forms part of a primal morality. An animalistic morality I disagree with this since I disbelieve in evolution. Evolution lacks creative capacity since that is a property of intelligence. Logicboy03: We also do calculations. logical calculations. Why is it evil for a company not to disclose its influential holdings in subsidiaries? Because it logically follows that they can use those subsidiaries to do shady business at the expense of customers and shareholders. So logical calculations now determine good and evil. A better way of putting it is we use intelligence. Without intelligence you can't even do 'logical calculations'. Logicboy03: Anony is a tool. He doesnt know jack shytt about morality. Only deluded people claim that morality is from God. We can see what religious peeps are doing today to destroy that notion And only daft people like yourself think morality can somehow magically evolve. We know matter lacks morality as in a stone not knowing or being good or bad. We know morality applies where there is intelligence so we infer that we derive morality from an intelligent God. |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by UyiIredia(m): 7:10pm On Jan 01, 2013 |
I don't even see why this argument should be. David Hume's quote sums it up quite nicely: 'You can't get an ought from an is.' Matter on its own lacks the intelligence (which is an abstract thing). So we take the other possibility that an intelligent being endowed man with his known capacity for ascribing morality to various instances. 1 Like |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 7:19pm On Jan 01, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: You didn make one iota of sense in your post. |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by UyiIredia(m): 7:22pm On Jan 01, 2013 |
Logicboy03: You've started again this New Year. Running away when one wants to give some dose of good thinking. At least state what is wrong with the post and I'll take it up from there. |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Nobody: 7:35pm On Jan 01, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: Look....I am restraining myself from abusing you. Your comment can be summarized like this; Uyi Iredia; I dont believe in evolution bla-bla-bla |
Re: Logicboy Meets Anony Again! Philosophy Vs Naturalism by Image123(m): 10:09pm On Jan 01, 2013 |
God created all humans with spirit, soul and body. Each person has a conscience and has emotions, whether you worship my fart or you don't. Natural difference is that some have it more pronounced than others. Spiritual difference is some have a map/guide others don't. |
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