Logicboy03:



How did you arrive at that from my comment?


this is why I dont like arguing with you. You hardly make sense.

What else should I ask. you said a certain statement of mine only makes sense if humans are ONLY matter. So I had to ask whether you believe they posses something other than matter. Now to the nitty-gritty. I believe you made that statement either to stall or because you had no reply. You actually know that matter lacks morality. You know humans are composed of matter and chances are you don't believe that humans posses a soul, mind or whatever its called. Why don't you just admit you are wrong. That morality couldn't have magically evolved out of something that lacked it.

Once again here's my line of reasoning on the matter.

- Matter lacks morality.
- Morality requires intelligence.
- Humans are intelligent.
- I infer an intelligent being endowed humans with the intelligence required to apprehend morality.

Mr_Anony:

Seriously? Hae you so quickly forgotten this?

How does human beings being more than matter automatically mean that an intanglible spiritual mind exists?

Mr_Anony:

Seriously? Hae you so quickly forgotten this?

Typical of logicboy. So far gone in his isle of ignorance to realize when cogent points are made.

Uyi Iredia:

What else should I ask. you said a certain statement of mine only makes sense if humans are ONLY matter. So I had to ask whether you believe they posses something other than matter. Now to the nitty-gritty. I believe you made that statement either to stall or because you had no reply. You actually know that matter lacks morality. You know humans are composed of matter and chances are you don't believe that humans posses a soul, mind or whatever its called. Why don't you just admit you are wrong. That morality couldn't have magically evolved out of something that lacked it.

Once again here's my line of reasoning on the matter.

- Matter lacks morality.
- Morality requires intelligence.
- Humans are intelligent.
- I infer an intelligent being endowed humans with the intelligence required to apprehend morality.

-Matter lacks flatulence
-Flatulence requires bowel incontinence
-Humans are bowel incontinent
-I infer a shi!tty being that endowed humans with the incontinence required to fart anyhow

Logicboy03:


How does human beings being more than matter automatically mean that an intanglible spiritual mind exists?

Wow?? please tell me what else it must mean.

If you are more than matter, does that not mean that there is an aspect of you that must therefore not be matter? or do you have examples of intangible matter you may want to bring to our notice?


...by the way, he did not use the word "spiritual" so please don't insert it so that you don't put words into his mouth later.

Logicboy03:









It wuld serve you well to stop repeating ignorant questions and start reading what others write.

Who said that there are guidelines for behaviour to survive? Read the comment again




Those behaviours are survival instincts that form a basic, animalistic morality. You protect young ones so that your genes and and family survive.You avoid predators. You avoid things that are harmful to survival.

But we do know that humans make moral choices to their doom eg dying in order to save a child. This clearly nullifies the possibility of survival instincts being the basis of morality since people sometimes make moral choices in spite of survival. If you were right there would be nothing like altruism.

Logicboy03:




-Matter lacks flatulence
-Flatulence requires bowel incontinence
-Humans are bowel incontinent
-I infer a shi!tty being that endowed humans with the incontinence required to fart anyhow

This is just you being childish and silly.

Logicboy03:




How does human beings being more than matter automatically mean that an intanglible spiritual mind exists?

Then what's the atheist's argument for how morality comes to exist. I said matter lacks morality. You said that would only be correct if humans are made of only matter so you must know something else we are made of that allows us to be moral. Oya ! Spit it out.

Logicboy03:




-Matter lacks flatulence
-Flatulence requires bowel incontinence
-Humans are bowel incontinent
-I infer a shi!tty being that endowed humans with the incontinence required to fart anyhow

You aren't serious are you. Is this supposed to be a reply. I'll take it you have no cogent point to make.

Uyi Iredia:

But we do know that humans make moral choices to their doom eg dying in order to save a child. This clearly nullifies the possibility of survival instincts being the basis of morality since people sometimes make moral choices in spite of survival. If you were right there would be nothing like altruism.

We are finally making progress. You have made a great observation


There are 3 basis for morality

-survival instincts (due to natural selection)
-reasoning (with an evolved brain)
-society


Now, survival doesnt always mean the survival of the individual. We are social animals by nature. Survival could be that of our kin or or species.

We also have logic, where we make a logical choice- do I sacrifice myself for him? is his lif wort more than mine?

Uyi Iredia:

Then what's the atheist's argument for how morality comes to exist. I said matter lacks morality. You said that would only be correct if humans are made of only matter so you must know something else we are made of that allows us to be moral. Oya ! Spit it out.

Perfect.....now wait for the specially branded logicboy insultive response.

Uyi Iredia:

You aren't serious are you. Is this supposed to be a reply. I'll take it you have no cogent point to make.

That is my point. you follow logical steps with some failed premises and you get nonsense conclusions. Garbage in garbage out.


Morality cant be from God or we would have chaos. God is na subjective experience and so is your bible. One interpretation claiming absolute superirority over the other!

Uyi Iredia:

Then what's the atheist's argument for how morality comes to exist. I said matter lacks morality. You said that would only be correct if humans are made of only matter so you must know something else we are made of that allows us to be moral. Oya ! Spit it out.

morality is a concept of the human mind brain. I cant even use the word "mind" because I know how shallow you are


Anyways 3 basis for morality;


-survival instincts
-logic/reasoning
-society

Logicboy03:



We are finally making progress. You have made a great observation


There are 3 basis for morality

-survival instincts (due to natural selection)
-reasoning (with an evolved brain)
-society


Now, survival doesnt always mean the survival of the individual. We are social animals by nature. Survival could be that of our kin or or species.

We also have logic, where we make a logical choice- do I sacrifice myself for him? is his lif wort more than mine?

Now my points:

- Natural selection couldn't possibly have created survival instincts since Nature is a classification that lacks the required cognitive abilities needed to hardcode these instincts. Survival instincts are just that survival instincts. I don't see how they could be a basis for morality without the INTELLIGENCE required.
- Agreed. We need reason to be moral. I disagree it evolved.
- Agreed.

Logicboy03:


morality is a concept of the human mind brain. I cant even use the word "mind" because I know how shallow you are


Anyways 3 basis for morality;


-survival instincts
-logic/reasoning
-society

We both know that you have not answered his question

Uyi Iredia:

Now my points:

- Natural selection couldn't possibly have created survival instincts since Nature is a classification that lacks the required cognitive abilities needed to hardcode these instincts. Survival instincts are just that survival instincts. I don't see how they could be a basis for morality without the INTELLIGENCE required.
- Agreed. We need reason to be moral. I disagree it evolved.
- Agreed.

Notice that he still hasn't told us about that intangible aspect of human beings that allows us to have a morality

Logicboy03:


morality is a concept of the human mind brain. I cant even use the word "mind" because I know how shallow you are


Anyways 3 basis for morality;


-survival instincts
-logic/reasoning
-society

Can't even properly answer a question. What else are humans made of that allows us to have morality?

Mr_Anony:
Notice that he still hasn't told us about that intangible aspect of human beings that allows us to have a morality

His post below didn't even answer it.

Uyi Iredia:

Now my points:

- Natural selection couldn't possibly have created survival instincts since Nature is a classification that lacks the required cognitive abilities needed to hardcode these instincts. Survival instincts are just that survival instincts. I don't see how they could be a basis for morality without the INTELLIGENCE required.
- Agreed. We need reason to be moral. I disagree it evolved.
- Agreed.

I never said that natural selection creates life or intelligence.


Life is intelligent by nature. All animals, even unicellular organisms try to survive. To survive you gotta adapt to your environment- this is expalined by natural selection.


our survival instincts form a basic morality. We avoid things that will kill us. Why is it bad to eat our feaces? You will die of disease.

Mr_Anony:
We both know that you have not answered his question

I have

Uyi Iredia:

Can't even properly answer a question. What else are humans made of that allows us to have morality?

Consciousness? The reasoning ability of a brain.

Logicboy03:

I have

Is English comprehension a problem for you? What else are humans made of that allows us to have morality?

Mr_Anony:
Notice that he still hasn't told us about that intangible aspect of human beings that allows us to have a morality

more than matter does not = intangibility


dont kill me with your failed logic abeg

Logicboy03:


I never said that natural selection creates life or intelligence.

Neither did I say that you said such.

Logicboy03: Life is intelligent by nature. All animals, even unicellular organisms try to survive. To survive you gotta adapt to your environment- this is expalined by natural selection.

Natural selection doesn't endow organism with the ability to survive. Its the genes which code for the organisms structure which endow the organism with the ability to survive. A more accurate thing to say is that Life portrays intelligence (life isn't a thing that has intelligence).

Logicboy03: our survival instincts form a basic morality. We avoid things that will kill us. Why is it bad to eat our feaces? You will die of disease.

To avoid things that kill you need intelligence. But as I said your theory hardly explains altruism.

Logicboy03:


I have

You haven't.

Logicboy03:



Consciousness? The reasoning ability of a brain.

And how did the brain get the reasoning ability that allows it to apprehend morality ? You have to answer this because there are other organisms with brains without the same capacity for morality as man. BTW, note that the reasoning ability of a brain IS NOT something tangible.

Logicboy03:


more than matter does not = intangibility


dont kill me with your failed logic abeg

please cite one example of intangible matter

Logicboy03:
Consciousness? The reasoning ability of a brain.

Lol, is this a question or a definition

Uyi Iredia:

Neither did I say that you said such.

hmmm

Uyi Iredia:

Natural selection doesn't endow organism with the ability to survive. Its the genes which code for the organisms structure which endow the organism with the ability to survive. A more accurate thing to say is that Life portrays intelligence (life isn't a thing that has intelligence).

We agree on the bold. Please try to understand me.

Life portrays intelligence. Life has intelligence. Whatever, you get my point.


As for you dubious genetics, I wonder how it changes the overall point I made

Uyi Iredia:
To avoid things that kill you need intelligence. But as I said your theory hardly explains altruism.

Then all surviving animals are intelligent. This is why I prefer to use "reason". One doesnt have to reason to do certain things.

I have explained altruism with survival and logic. What more do you want?

Uyi Iredia:
You haven't.

I have

Mr_Anony:
please cite one example of intangible matter

Who is talking about intangible matter? How do you arrive at these questions?

Mr_Anony:
Lol, is this a question or a definition

A poor answer. Because a reasoning ability is not something tangible. the question beside consciousness seems tome to be a sign of confusion. Besides consciousness is VERY clearly intagible.

Uyi Iredia:

And how did the brain get the reasoning ability that allows it to apprehend morality ? You have to answer this because there are other organisms with brains without the same capacity for morality as man. BTW, note that the reasoning ability of a brain IS NOT something tangible.

The process of making thought is very physical. Go and read.


We can reason and that is why we as humans can bypass our animalistic morality. This is what separates us from animals. Reasoning.

Think of abortion and infanticide. Many animals will kill their young if deformed or the young is a threat to their existence or there is a lack of resources for others. We human beings apply reasoning to understand that survival of the fittest is too harsh and we can try to treat the deformity, conserve resources or even find others who can help with our young (foster care)

Uyi Iredia:

A poor answer. Because a reasoning ability is not something tangible. the question beside consciousness seems tome to be a sign of confusion. Besides consciousness is VERY clearly intagible.

Consciousness is tied to the brain. No brain no consciousness. We know how tangible the brain is.

A very good answer. Mixing an abstract with the physical.


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