ndu_chucks:
If your claim that you are royalty is true, I welcome your input with open arms and I say, Kabiyesoi to you. Did you state above that the Ooni is supposed to eat the heart of his father before ascending to the throne? Has this practice been discarded? If Sijuade was denied his father's heart, is he still a legitimate Ooni? Thanks for your courtesy in advance.

sweet_gala:

I never meant to state that all Nigerians should not be interested and share of our unique belief system. I just don't want it to degrade to a Yoruba this Yoruba that situation.

And to repeat what I said earlier the Ooni is thought to be a lion and king amongst kings and as such when a kind ascends the throne he is feed the heart of the previous king as to say " he eat the heart of a lion and as such has conquered all" my current knowledge is this practice stopped with Adesoji Aderemi. The knowledge of my grandfathers passing was no made known to public and some priests till body was in Lagos because during his life he maintained not partaking in such heart eating rituals.

And to reiterate something said earlier, the post of Ooni requires patience as several requirements are made daily rituals are performed which a king must partake in for his own health.

The olojo festival would be one of those very important ones, several rituals and rites are performed through the course of this ceremony and a certain crown has to be worn and the process does take it's toll on kings who frequently tire of them as did Adesoji Aderemi, members of the family have confidently told me he performed as few as were necessary of the olojo rituals the year he passed, the night he joined his ancestors he was in perfect health was very happy as he had only given my 3 day old sister her name, he drank sherry has he always did in company of my uncle complained of slight migraine before bed and the rest is history. I know many much more of first account fetish rituals as required of the royal house of ife but would not want to reveal all as you may understand.

What we need to do in Africa is clean up our acts. The days Abraham tried to sacrifice his son or Jesus sacrificed are gone. People look for excuse like Okonkwo in Things Fall Apart, to drink wine in Church these days than drink blood and eat flesh of human like Jesus. So, all the sacrileges in Africa religion must stop. Some Oba have even refused to perform rituals for the same reason. Moremi Shrine serves a cleaner ritual than Church.

ndu_chucks:

May I ask you the Yoruba words for "god" and "deity"? If you do not know, there is nothing wrong with that.

Tolexander: hello, this is yoruba culture and tradition and not english! olórun(god) is different from irúnmolè(deity). So dont make any confusion here.
God and god are the same?

ndu_chucks:

Thanks. olorun implies a single being, so that must refer to the Almighty Allah/God. What is the Yoruba word for 'god', the one with small 'g'. There are many gods, but only ONE God/Allah/olórun. If you cannot tell us the yoruba word for 'god', then we should be able to conclude reasonably that it is irúnmolè. No?

9jacrip:

god = Orisha

eze ndi-igbo1:
I am sure the yoruba people can see that no igbo has interfered/interrupted the flow of this thread.
I sincerely hope that this gesture will be returned in kind,when igbo matters are being discussed.

ndu_chucks:

Thanks. olorun implies a single being, so that must refer to the Almighty Allah/God. What is the Yoruba word for 'god', the one with small 'g'. There are many gods, but only ONE God/Allah/olórun. If you cannot tell us the yoruba word for 'god', then we should be able to conclude reasonably that it is irúnmolè. No?

Baby mama:

It is shocking sha that in 2013 people are still talking about and promoting shrines and idol worship with it's attendant diabolic implications out in the open.
These people are so backward
Tufia

Tolexander: what about okija shrine

Obviously they learnt from Ijebuode
Have you heard anyone promoting it?
You lot are just too fetish,you don't even see anything wrong in it
See several threads dedicated to juju on Nairaland and the sad part is that it is all about it's promotion
Young people o
Tufia

[size=18pt]Juju is old way,you all need Jesus to set you free,say NO to darkness,light has come[/size]
Scary scary

ndu_chucks:

What is the difference between Orisha and Irunmole? What are the cultural roles of both entities? Thanks in advance.

Tolexander: what about okija shrine

9jacrip:

god = Orisha
Irunmole = the spirits who go on errands and a human could morph into this.

Baby mama:

Obviously they learnt from Ijebuode
Have you heard anyone promoting it?
You lot are just too fetish,you don't even see anything wrong in it
See several threads dedicated to juju on Nairaland and the sad part is that it is all about it's promotion
Young people o
Tufia

Scary scary

Tolexander: nna! If you want any knowlegde ask politely and stop bein arogant.

ndu_chucks:

This was my question: "What is the difference between Orisha and Irunmole? What are the cultural roles of both entities? Thanks in advance."

How is this impolite or arrogant? I implore those who can answer my question to do so. There is nothing shameful about cultural history.

@9jacrip, is the morphing phenomenon you mentioned still valid today and do people still morph into Irunmole? If this still takes place that would be incredible!

Africans do not use their gifts to the fullest. I state here, without any reservations, that I will become a Ifa worshiper or join these Irunmoles if they can morph into beings which can make our corrupt politicians disappear one by one.

9jacrip:


I think I tried to answer the Q regarding Irunmole nd Orisha? The cultural roles could be explained in form of hierarchical arrangement: The Almighty GOD » Orisha(s) » Irunmole. Some people often mix Orisha/Irunmole to mean the same things/people while to some they're different entities? I'm trying to share the little I know except I call home to ask but that might send some weird signals

Just like in Masonry, you start from being an apprentice and climb to the 33rd degree of a worshipful master, same is relate-able to Yoruba belief system, you subscribe to an Orisha(god) that interests you or by inheritance. Then you develop as you learn/practicalize things - you attain the irunmole status when you've absorbed virtually all of it and become extremely knowledgeable at it - for example, Chief Priests of Orishas are as good as Irunmole, Ooni is another example of Irunmole - just sharing my tid-bits and hope you get to catch my drift.

If only Africans would 'come back home' to these 'resources' at their disposal - I know quite a handful of professors/top-notch people who are subscribers to Yoruba belief system (and I don't mean occult).

ndu_chucks:

You are yet to tell me whether the morphing thingy ever existed in practical terms or still exist. Please shed more light on this issue.

In the meantime send me your paper to this address nduchucks00@gmail.com

For now, I remain skeptical about people being able to morph into Irunmole just as I believe that witches cannot fly, until I am proved wrong.

BTW, why are people like Katsumoto and DuduNegro awol from this thread?

9jacrip:

The morphing thing to my own knowledge is about attaining mastery of what you're devoted to - and yes it still exists, I've cited example of Chief-priests and even Ooni himself - and not that you lose the human form and evolve into something weird though I've heard stories of human morphing into inhuman objects and are still being worshipped till today. I'm not so knowledgeable about this and I might have to find time to make calls to seek better understanding.

Disclaimer: The paper is not about Irunmole/Eledumare/Orisa etc, it is about Moremi's achievement and her place in history etc