BlackBaron: I got nothing against Achebe's person but It's very difficult for anyone with an unbiased mind not to notice the inherent bits of propaganda.

Alluding Nzeogwu to be a northerner due to place of birth whilst conveniently regarding Ojukwu as igbo even though the latter was also born in the north was just plainly moving the goalpost of integrity in my opinion. Also wasn't Ojukwu was acknowledged to speak hausa quite fluently yet...

oyb: achebe, the 1000 year nnabros reich is dead. deal with it.

Gowon is the one who messed up - should have tried the biafra high command for treason and war crimes and had them all locked away. instead he played nice guy no victor no vanquished , and so today they are playing nazi remnants and filling the heads of the next generation with propaganda and delusions

joeyfire:

I have to disagree with you there bro. Nzeogwu was almost every bit a northerner save for his midwest heritage. Let's not forget that he carried out his own assassination in 1966 supported by northern troops, was mourned by his northern colleagues in the army when he died and was given a hero's burial in kaduna when he died. Ojukwu was just born in the north, schooled in lagos and uk.

joeyfire:

Una no dey tire to dey post this nowa omoigui fairytale over and over. That seems to be the only news source on "biafran atrocities". No other newspaper in the world carried the news, the Midwest Rebel Atrocities Panel couldn't find anything, no group or persons till today has corroborated this. Yet when argument start una go quote omoigui's blog as if na holy bible

BlackBaron:
That is an emphatic calumny to try to deny his parentage. Last time I checked Nzeogwu also schooled in the UK, if you want to use that to excise him.

Besides, Nzeogwu also fought in the biafran war yet you say he was a northerner but Ojukwu wasn't?

mamigocentral: well, i've never read Omoigui's blog and I know that on the retreat from Ore blood was shed and conveniently tucked away in the greater mass of bloodshed then occuring in the east. Read Ben Gbulie's why we struck, wale ademoyegun's Nigeria's five majors and alexander madiebo's nigerian civil war and biafran revolution. Even as much as i respected Madiebo's accuracy in almost all the issues discussed he was more or less guilty of protecting biafra's image, but that was expected. Why gloss over a few deaths in Ore, benin and other communities the biafran army passed thru led by a son of the soil, all of that could effectively be left at adekunle's feet as the commanding officer of the biafran force that drove deep into the heart of the west

joeyfire:

Ok will look up on those books again but my I seriously doubt the existence of an agenda of calculated brutality.

oyb: achebe, the 1000 year nnabros reich is dead. deal with it.

Gowon is the one who messed up - should have tried the biafra high command for treason and war crimes and had them all locked away. instead he played nice guy no victor no vanquished , and so today they are playing nazi remnants and filling the heads of the next generation with propaganda and delusions

mamigocentral: I actually find myself agreeing with you on the issue of trial but let's be sincere, a trial would have been disastrous in light of the fact that Ojukwu fled and ibos couldnt be held responsible for a war brought about by both sides, although i can say categorically that Ojukwu was the only leader of a losing side in a civil war that i have heard of who went on to become a national hero half a decade after d war instead of a dead body in a morgue regardless of whay country he fled to

mamigocentral: Now, I've died and gone to heaven. Am happy that at least one person can get past all the bullshit and examine matters critically. Its so cool that you're a level headed intellect. It wasnt brutality with intent, it was more like an emotional retaliation for what the Ibos had suffered unlike the planned massacres of the nigerian army. If i was in ther position i probably would have done so too, its not about laying blame but more about laying out the facts.

joeyfire:

You are missing the point. Nobody is saying that Nzeogwu is from an ethnic group native to the north. The man came from okpanam but was born up north and was a kaduna man through and through, accepted by people from that place as one of them and buried with full honour in kaduna during the war.

Ojukwu got nowhere near nzeogwu with regard to acceptance by the northerners unless I am not getting your point

joeyfire:

I'm aware that tragedy is bound to happen in a war situation, I'm however certain that it never happened on the scale nowa omoigui's online wankfest tries to paint it

PROUD-IGBO:


^^^You're a fool mate! You talk of trying the Biafran high command for treason, neglecting the reason for the war in the first place....neglecting the fact that war crimes were committed by the federal side, who in your opinion should not answer to anything b'cos they are blameless and whiter than white abi? (and besides it was the Igbos you hate that they were killing, so that makes it alright); fool, what i'm saying is that any 'discuss' or 'getting together' after the war should have been on the basis of a 'truth and reconciliation' set-up, so blame can be apportioned where necessary (whether it be Biafran or Federal/Nigerian) and any war crimes by whomsover would be acknowledged, offenders punished and apologies rendered.....but instead all 'issues' and 'causal factors' that led to the war, and issues affecting our proper intergration as a nation were swept under the carpet as the 'owners of Nigeria' (and their bastard helpers in the south) now sat down to ra/pe and plunder the nations resources, while all the while shouting the redundant mantra of 'up one naijeriah' and 'one indivisible country for life'.....absolute bunkum!

What you call 'filling the heads of the next generation with propaganda and delusions' will continue for as long as there are questions on the 'workability' of Nigeria as a nation, and for as long as we Igbos/Biafrans feel it necessary to remind our children of their past and to be wary of evil scum like you who wouldn't hesitate to annihilate an entire people given half a chance.....so you should learn to live with it, or go out on to the streets and demonstrate/carry placards [b]for the 'Igbos' to leave Nigeria as you find their wahala to too much to handl[/b]e.

oyb:

no one is holding you. you people like money too much to do more than make noise. if you were serious and not just noisemakers, you'd have started a clear process of disengagement from nigeria - but rather, you keep on setting up businesses and shops in the rest of nigeria, even in the north where very 8months or so, several of you are slaughtered by rabid abokis.

your biafra noise is just sabre rattling. if you really wanted out you wouldn't be angling for presidency. no what you lot have always wanted is ascendancy over the rest of nigeria by hook, crook, force, stealth, cunny cunny, any means necessary. (that was what the coup was about - ascendancy over nigeria - when that failed you decided to settle for ascendancy over the SS&SE)

pazienza: Well,most igbos are biafrans in nigeria clothing, at least all my immediate and extended family members are. Most naive Nigerians are blaming Achebe for opening up what they call an old wound,but was the wound ever closed? I guess nigerians took the igbo silence to mean that we have gotten over biafra,how convinient. Biafra will always live in the heart of noble igbo men and women,we will always be biafrans in heart,you don't force people to be in the same nation with you.

dayokanu: ^^ The Nazi spirit was broken through crushing defeat trial and death of the key Nazist.

The same thing should have been done to Biafra

eboe boy: Just one question, why did he wait till Ojukwu died before releasing this memoir?

I've been thinking about this all year!

eboe boy: Just one question, why did he wait till Ojukwu died before releasing this memoir?

I've been thinking about this all year!

oyb: achebe, the 1000 year nnabros reich is dead. deal with it.

Gowon is the one who messed up - should have tried the biafra high command for treason and war crimes and had them all locked away. instead he played nice guy no victor no vanquished , and so today they are playing nazi remnants and filling the heads of the next generation with propaganda and delusions

PROUD-IGBO:


^^^You find yourself agreeing with his thrash....but of course you would, wouldn't you?; you can try and play the 'level-headed neutral' all you like but at some point your true sentiments and feelings will always betray you.