too many rabble rousers on nl, nothing of substance but all they know how to do is make mountains out of molehills and malign others.


**forgotten what i wanted to type before, but it was something along the lines of perhaps the op has some kind of difficulty sitting still, or a hyperactivity problem, since she's an adult yet finds it hard to follow instructions**

anyway, i suppose the thread is best left for the ones in support of the op.

she's the one with the problem either way.

Let me try this again

@ goshen

The op already mentioned she's catholic and the incidents happened during mass.


you can go to your church shirtless if you like, its up to you and not my concern.

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^ Anti mi, mi o understand meaning 'wbb' te type ninu reply yin o. E jo e ba ni interpret e, ki n le f'esi si.

tpia@:


she's been told severally by people, including her mum.

she needs to make an effort to listen.

No probs, she is learning more from NL....

So if it is not a biblical standard for instructions in the worship places, where make a law or an issue out of it. Whatever we cannot preach or teach anywhere, anytime is not the Gospel. I think a Christian sister can cross her legs if she knows she sits carelessly. This in itself is a way of preventing some kind of "exposure". Very soon, some worship places will start telling pregnant women not to sit down because they want to pray to God. Any pregnant woman can sit or stand up while praying IF she feel comfortable with it; there is no law against such. Let's not make too much out of leg crossing in worship places.

Ecc 7:16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
Overzealous dey worri you. The christian life is not strictly pen and paper, black and white, by the letter. We are guided by the letter, but shouldn't let the letter kill us. Walk in the Spirit. All these where is it in the Bible principle, then even when shown in the Bible, you go start to give excuse. Here is what the OP said below.

mama bear: Plz I really need an answer 2diz...

Is it bad 2 cross ur legs in church?

I'm a catholic,I noticed each time I cross ma legs in church wich I do unconsciously, d wardens alwayz tell me 2 drop dem... Waz in church wiv ma mum 2day n she told me d same,I asked her y n she said I waz in d presnce of God, dat I knw buh could it be dat bad
I obviously knw dat buh 4 christsake I'm not sitting in front neida is ma dress short

Note the boldedS. It's not a question of SIN, or of Heaven or Hell. Some things can be wrong or bad, and not exactly be sin. Like i opined earlier, lateness is wrong(whether to school, work, appointment, church etc), wasting water is wrong, picking your nose in public is wrong, dirty habits are wrong. And you can be corrected for any of these anywhere. the fact that the correction was done in church doesn't demand a Bible verse. Where i live(Nigeria), crossing your legs is viewed as disrespect/pomposity/unseriousness. Even in school/class, its not done, they will tell you to put your legs down. If you're seating before your elders and you cross-leg, they will depict that you lack home training. It's a fail body posture in any interview room. It's considered lazy or arrogant. The OP said her dress is not short, i wonder why you are hammering on exposure. What the OP needs is self-control, a fruit of the Spirit. She should put her body under, and be more aware of her environment. She also needs love, another fruit of the Spirit, to take her church members and society for who they her, instead of playin "i don't see/know what is wrong with my actions". Not to forget meekness, another fruit of the Spirit, which would permit her to take simple instruction or correction without pouting and coming to NL to whine.
JeSoul, abadie? Happy New Year

Image123:
you dey laugh, this must truly be a new year. BTW, which one be bros+madam? i thought we borrowed 'madam' from your side, so you should know better?
happy new year madame

Na every time I see bros image123, na laugh dey catch me...

You dey forget say na everything you write up there you borrow? No one be you own...

Madame = ma dame = my lady, how am I your lady? You no see plappville to call me? You see, until you stop pointing at errors here, you will continue to end up in errors.
Me no do new yr. But thanks!

Goshen360: ^ Anti mi, mi o understand meaning 'wbb' te type ninu reply yin o. E jo e ba ni interpret e, ki n le f'esi si.

Wbb means will be back.

Goshen360: And nobody has been able to establish from the scripture that crossing legs while in worship place is wrong; mind you we are the church, not the building. If a Christian sister feels or thinks she sit carelessly sometimes and decides to cross her legs in order to prevent "exposure" what is wrong in that for God's sake? If we are going to prove something is wrong, then I think we should establish such truth from the scripture not by sentiments.

GBAM !!!!

Image123:
Ecc 7:16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
Overzealous dey worri you. The christian life is not strictly pen and paper, black and white, by the letter. We are guided by the letter, but shouldn't let the letter kill us. Walk in the Spirit. All these where is it in the Bible principle, then even when shown in the Bible, you go start to give excuse. Here is what the OP said below.



Note the boldedS. It's not a question of SIN, or of Heaven or Hell. Some things can be wrong or bad, and not exactly be sin. Like i opined earlier, lateness is wrong(whether to school, work, appointment, church etc), wasting water is wrong, picking your nose in public is wrong, dirty habits are wrong. And you can be corrected for any of these anywhere. the fact that the correction was done in church doesn't demand a Bible verse. Where i live(Nigeria), crossing your legs is viewed as disrespect/pomposity/unseriousness. Even in school/class, its not done, they will tell you to put your legs down. If you're seating before your elders and you cross-leg, they will depict that you lack home training. It's a fail body posture in any interview room. It's considered lazy or arrogant. The OP said her dress is not short, i wonder why you are hammering on exposure. What the OP needs is self-control, a fruit of the Spirit. She should put her body under, and be more aware of her environment. She also needs love, another fruit of the Spirit, to take her church members and society for who they her, instead of playin "i don't see/know what is wrong with my actions". Not to forget meekness, another fruit of the Spirit, which would permit her to take simple instruction or correction without pouting and coming to NL to whine.
JeSoul, abadie? Happy New Year

Obviously you are not treating the core issue...and that is, how does crossing legs be a bad thing in the presence of God That is the issue you should be addressing sir.

plappville:

No probs, she is learning more from NL....

I doubt she's learning anything from nl that she didnt already know before, the issue is there are too many witches, occultists and whatever launching various attacks on churches through issues that ordinarily dont require too much common sense to know are not appropriate for the context they're complaining about.

One was saying they didnt allow her to sit in front, another one is saying they didnt let her cross her legs, others will say nobody should mention their dressing, some will soon complain they werent allowed to smoke in church.

Tgirl4real: Thanks for d last bit jare. Why should we import culture n traditional into worship in church.

Some things can be offensive really, like chewing gum and making nasty noise with it. But which wan be crossing of leg again.

My sister happy new year oh. May your pot of egusi stew with goat meat, pomo & shaki never run dry in 2013 . Amen.

Its interesting... I do think culture/tradition does influence church worship (that was the whole deal with Paul and his instructions on women). Where & how we draw the line is the challenge.

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Snr brother,
which language be dat now? Happy new year oh. I'm looking for big things from you in 2013

Meanwhile, ask any of them what they actually learned from the sermon or overall service, and the replies will be a bunch of incoherent irrelevancies.

plappville:

Na every time I see bros image123, na laugh dey catch me...

You dey forget say na everything you write up there you borrow? No one be you own...

Madame = ma dame = my lady, how am I your lady? You no see plappville to call me? You see, until you stop pointing at errors here, you will continue to end up in errors.
Me no do new yr. But thanks!

You dis my sister wetin now? christmas you no do. Easter you no do. Sunday sabbath you no do. New year now you no do ah ah...

Whether you like am or not Happy New year jor

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Goshen360: And nobody has been able to establish from the scripture that crossing legs while in worship place is wrong

President Goshen. Suffrey suffrey. Nobody can establish from scripture either that eating amala is right or wrong...if you catch my drift

Anti mi JeSoul, na Yoruba me type na.

@ Everyone,

Please, let's handle this issue with scriptural relevance otherwise, sentiment will play a major role. I haven't seen from scriptures where crossing legs in worship becomes an issue but I have read dafidi worship God n.aked but we are here talking ordinary crossing legs. Make una talk scripture abeg.

JeSoul:
President Goshen. Suffrey suffrey. Nobody can establish from scripture either that eating amala is right or wrong...if you catch my drift

That's it right there! If nobody can establish eating amala is right or wrong, why do we make issues out of it? Why call it bad or wrong or good or whatever. My point is, as far as scripture is concern, such issues are irrelevant and we shouldn't tag it 'bad'.

Maybe next Sunday, I will try worship in with my shirt off.....

Goshen360: Anti mi JeSoul, na Yoruba me type na.

Nah the one wey brother Image type I dey wonder...

Goshen360:

That's it right there! If nobody can establish eating amala is right or wrong, why do we make issues out of it? Why call it bad or wrong or good or whatever. My point is, as far as scripture is concern, such issues are irrelevant and we shouldn't tag it 'bad'.

Maybe next Sunday, I will try worship in with my shirt off.....

Lol. Hey, you can start your own church tradition lol.

Right on in regards to the first part of your post. I agree.

Lemme ask you...do you think culture/tradition influenced certain portions of scripture? especially many of Paul's directions/commands in the NT?

JeSoul: Nah the one wey brother Image type I dey wonder...

Lol. Hey, you can start your own church tradition lol.

Right on in regards to the first part of your post. I agree.

Lemme ask you...do you think culture/tradition influenced certain portions of scripture? especially many of Paul's directions/commands in the NT?

I do not think culture/tradition influenced 'certain' portion of Apostle Paul's writing otherwise he will not be writing by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit but influenced by culture/tradition.

JeSoul: Snr brother,
which language be dat now? Happy new year oh. I'm looking for big things from you in 2013

It's Ibibio oh, quite popular and meaning "How are you?"
God will help us.

Goshen360:

Obviously you are not treating the core issue...and that is, how does crossing legs be a bad thing in the presence of God That is the issue you should be addressing sir.

Are you blind? The OP said that she "OBVIOUSLY" knows that it is bad. She understands what she is doing, and is somehow of the opinion that it is a bad thing. Remember, i am not talking about sin here. Her church members think it is bad, she thinks it is bad, the right thing is for her to adjust. All this your gragra about where it is in the Bible is plain childish of you. Everyone has a (personal) relationship with God. David wasn't okay with doing something for God without it 'pinching' him, some people are okay. Some people prostrate to God as it were every morning, some don't. In the Op's context, they feel its wrong, leave them with that. If you like, you can walk naked to your own church without regard for others since it is God you want to go and see. Leave your own convictions to your self.

Image123:
Are you blind? The OP said that she "OBVIOUSLY" knows that it is bad. She understands what she is doing, and is somehow of the opinion that it is a bad thing. Remember, i am not talking about sin here. Her church members think it is bad, she thinks it is bad, the right thing is for her to adjust. All this your gragra about where it is in the Bible is plain childish of you. Everyone has a (personal) relationship with God. David wasn't okay with doing something for God without it 'pinching' him, some people are okay. Some people prostrate to God as it were every morning, some don't. In the Op's context, they feel its wrong, leave them with that. If you like, you can walk naked to your own church without regard for others since it is God you want to go and see. Leave your own convictions to your self.

Abeg, stop this sentiment. I'm not talking my 'personal' thoughts here. Every truth must be established from the word, our constitution otherwise you are promoting a gospel such as everyone can do as they deem fit, if such is spread then we have no Lord over us. The same Christ is preached to all and is One Lord that reigns over all.

The op saying It's bad is obviously not very convinced and she asked, is it that bad. If she sees it completely bad, she probably not bring it up here. She is an adult and knows what's but is it that bad in the presence of God? Did God tell any of us such is bad?

Goshen360:

I do not think culture/tradition influenced 'certain' portion of Apostle Paul's writing otherwise he will not be writing by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit but influenced by culture/tradition.

Cool. Lemme re-ask the question differently... What is your explanation on Paul's more controversial directives such as "women covering their hair" "women not speaking in churches" "no remarrying unless other spouse dies" "women not wearing jewelry" Etc etc etc...

I'm saying scripture (for the christian) is undoubtedly of divine inspiration it is also and equally of human composition, composed for a specific congregation in a specific generation - there is inevitably cultural bias (for lack of a better word). It is a living document, whose principles (and not the culture/time/event-specific actions) can be applied across time & circumstance. My answer for commands such as Paul's, we would need to draw back the cultural garb to the heart of what he was truly intending to address - displaying appropriate behavior wherever you are at.

^I already know brother Imgage disagrees with me on this part^ .

Image thank you oh. Ibibio, check. I dey fine by our God's good grace. I'm sure your lamp will never run our of oil. Amen.

Tgirl4real:

Make dem look me with 10 eyes, if I feel like crossing my legs, I will cross. * Hiss

Just like what happened to me on 31st. I don't normally do this cross-over service thingy, but the whole house was dry and my sis asked me to escort her to a church nearby and since there is no harm in praying any way, I followed her.

On getting there I sat down cos my thighs were aching (the after effect of exercise), it was few mins to midnight and cross-over prayers have started in earnest. . I sat down, head bowed and eyes closed deep in prayer, I was engrossed in worship, not even listening to the prayer point raised, na so this man came from no where, tapped my shoulders and asked me to stand up, u need to see the look on my face. Actually I had tears in my eyes so there was no doubt I was having a personal time with God, no one told him to leave me be. I sat down all through the 30mins I spent there.

The question is; do I need to stand up for my prayers to get to God?

This same thing happened to me a few years back. But after I interupted the church service, they left me alone. Next time, start speaking to him in tongues until he goes away.

Goshen360:

Abeg, stop this sentiment. I'm not talking my 'personal' thoughts here. Every truth must be established from the word, our constitution otherwise you are promoting a gospel such as everyone can do as they deem fit, if such is spread then we have no Lord over us. The same Christ is preached to all and is One Lord that reigns over all.

The op saying It's bad is obviously not very convinced and she asked, is it that bad. If she sees it completely bad, she probably not bring it up here. She is an adult and knows what's but is it that bad in the presence of God? Did God tell any of us such is bad?

This is nonsense. 1 plus 1 equals 2 is truth and does not need to be established by quoting bible passages. i've insisted that we are not referring to the gospel, or sin, or heaven and hell here. If you think crossing your legs affect your eternity, that is your personal thought. Dirtiness is bad, too much salt in food is bad, collecting something with your left hand is even bad over here in my area. i respect that, and i don't unnecessarily offend others with that because i have knowledge. The OP said she obviously knows that are action is bad, you say she's obviously not convinced. Well, God is watching as they say. . Did God tell those folks that it was bad for them to sell in His house before He whipped their backs literally? They knew it was bad contextually, but they were probably looking for where to establish it first like you.

Image123:
This is nonsense. 1 plus 1 equals 2 is truth and does not need to be established by quoting bible passages. i've insisted that we are not referring to the gospel, or sin, or heaven and hell here. If you think crossing your legs affect your eternity, that is your personal thought. Dirtiness is bad, too much salt in food is bad, collecting something with your left hand is even bad over here in my area. i respect that, and i don't unnecessarily offend others with that because i have knowledge. The OP said she obviously knows that are action is bad, you say she's obviously not convinced. Well, God is watching as they say. . Did God tell those folks that it was bad for them to sell in His house before He whipped their backs literally? They knew it was bad contextually, but they were probably looking for where to establish it first like you.

Call nonsense or whatever. That's your own headache, okay. I have stated it here that it is also irrelevant and churches should not make big issues out of it. You are here ranting and not making any sense either. If you say collecting something with left hand is bad, keep that African ideology to yourself. What does your right hand do that your left hand can't do. You for dey use only left hand and can't see why God gave you two hands. Why ascribe greater importance to one hand than the other. Na you sabi joor. You come come see people in the part of the world as they give you money with left hand. What meaning/difference does it make. It is only in Africa that someone will say, when people give you money with left hand they don't want you to progress and all sort of nonsense. Again, if you don't like too much salt in your food, don't make an issue out of it - that's your personal issue. Does that mean, I should not add plenty salt to my food if I'm comfortable with it?

In a nutshell, tradition/culture should not stand in the way of the Gospel of Christ. Stop exalting traditions of men over the Gospel of Christ. What you guys does is spreading bullying on women. Woman cannot do this, they cannot do that. What the heck is that Gospel from? If a woman crosses her leg in worship place, it doesn't offend anybody neither does it offend God and I don't see why we are making issues out of this irrelevant matter.

JeSoul: Cool. Lemme re-ask the question differently... What is your explanation on Paul's more controversial directives such as "women covering their hair" "women not speaking in churches" "no remarrying unless other spouse dies" "women not wearing jewelry" Etc etc etc...

I'm saying scripture (for the christian) is undoubtedly of divine inspiration it is also and equally of human composition, composed for a specific congregation in a specific generation - there is inevitably cultural bias (for lack of a better word). It is a living document, whose principles (and not the culture/time/event-specific actions) can be applied across time & circumstance. My answer for commands such as Paul's, we would need to draw back the cultural garb to the heart of what he was truly intending to address - displaying appropriate behavior wherever you are at.

^I already know brother Imgage disagrees with me on this part^ .

Image thank you oh. Ibibio, check. I dey fine by our God's good grace. I'm sure your lamp will never run our of oil. Amen.

My sister, I have stated my point/stand on women issues here in the past as taught by Apostle Paul in the scriptures. The teachings of Paul on "women covering their hair" "women not speaking in churches" "no remarrying unless other spouse dies" "women not wearing jewelry" Etc.

The most controversial of them all is women not speaking in churches. Apostle Paul NEVER said women should not speak. It is women 'defining' biblical teachings that Paul wrote against. If Paul is saying 'keep quiet', it will then mean women cannot lead prayer, sing, pray, give testimonies...etc all these acts involve 'speaking'. So to say that Paul meant complete 'shut up' by women in worship places is outright heresy.

Covering of head, not hair - the woman's hair is given to her as a cover for her head.

remarrying - there are biblical ground for divorce if it comes to such issues. Marriage should be enjoyed not endured.

wearing of jewelries - there is no such thing that women should not wear jewelries. Moderation in all and not to depend on such adoration by jewelries for the beauty. It's the inner beauty that should be of more importance but He doesn't outrightly condemn wearing jewelries. Besides, being to expensive etc. Abi you, my sister no dey do small or light makeup and jewelries ni.....

Goshen360:

My sister, I have stated my point/stand on women issues here in the past as taught by Apostle Paul in the scriptures. The teachings of Paul on "women covering their hair" "women not speaking in churches" "no remarrying unless other spouse dies" "women not wearing jewelry" Etc.

The most controversial of them all is women not speaking in churches. Apostle Paul NEVER said women should not speak. It is women 'defining' biblical teachings that Paul wrote against. If Paul is saying 'keep quiet', it will then mean women cannot lead prayer, sing, pray, give testimonies...etc all these acts involve 'speaking'. So to say that Paul meant complete 'shut up' by women in worship places is outright heresy.

Covering of head, not hair - the woman's hair is given to her as a cover for her head.

remarrying - there are biblical ground for divorce if it comes to such issues. Marriage should be enjoyed not endured.

wearing of jewelries - there is no such thing that women should not wear jewelries. Moderation in all and not to depend on such adoration by jewelries for the beauty. It's the inner beauty that should be of more importance but He doesn't outrightly condemn wearing jewelries. Besides, being to expensive etc. Abi you, my sister no dey do small or light makeup and jewelries ni.....

Well said.

JeSoul: You dis my sister wetin now? christmas you no do. Easter you no do. Sunday sabbath you no do. New year now you no do ah ah...

Whether you like am or not Happy New year jor

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President Goshen. Suffrey suffrey. Nobody can establish from scripture either that eating amala is right or wrong...if you catch my drift

Hahahaha....Sisterly no be my fault ooo, The world we live in today is a polluted one, we just have to becareful with certain holidays.
I am trying to grow in the faith, na God dey strenghten Him children oo, it's not an easy race anyway......

I appreciate, God bless you sisterly.

Image123:
This is nonsense. 1 plus 1 equals 2 is truth and does not need to be established by quoting bible passages. i've insisted that we are not referring to the gospel, or sin, or heaven and hell here. If you think crossing your legs affect your eternity, that is your personal thought. Dirtiness is bad, too much salt in food is bad, collecting something with your left hand is even bad over here in my area. i respect that, and i don't unnecessarily offend others with that because i have knowledge. The OP said she obviously knows that are action is bad, you say she's obviously not convinced. Well, God is watching as they say. . Did God tell those folks that it was bad for them to sell in His house before He whipped their backs literally? They knew it was bad contextually, but they were probably looking for where to establish it first like you.

SEE POINTS NA.... IMAGE123 DON VEX....OYA WETIN BAD MORE, BEGIN DEY POUR THEM HERE...

advocate666:

This same thing happened to me a few years back. But after I interupted the church service, they left me alone. Next time, start speaking to him in tongues until he goes away.

I normally don't speak in tongues, so that will depend on d Holy Spirit o. But of what purpose will it be for?

Yes its wrong, what are you crossing your legs for ?
Not comfortable in your dress then wear something long.
Don't put on a skimpy dress to church and end up crossing your legs.

i have always had dat question in mind ooo
went to one Mountain Of Fire church, i crossed my legs unconsciously, den the usher just told me to dropped my legs....looked kinda embarrassing to me sha