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Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by SisiKill1: 12:38am On Jan 05, 2013 |
SELFWORTH: LMAO!! Nice 2 Likes |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Nobody: 12:46am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Dont cross it . Open it for all to see abi? Thats what they want. |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Nobody: 1:09am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Goshen360: I knew it! I'm too old school I carry my bible o! Na oga the lazy one with iPad .... I pretend I no know him sef I like technology but God own different! 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by tpia5: 1:21am On Jan 05, 2013 |
SELFWORTH: the people you're addressing dont claim to be christians. as for the one blabbing about ipad, he just wants nlers to know he has seen ipad, that's all. 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by chacha3(f): 1:25am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Cajetan speaks: I was enjoying your comment till I read your last sentense. Upholding african values does not make you archaic or inferior to anybody.not inferior but I said that bit because with the civilization and mordenization once you don't follow the new trend you are termed old school,archaic,ancient and belonging to the dark ages. Hahahahaha but it doesn't bother me at all. |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Nobody: 2:24am On Jan 05, 2013 |
auchs: Dont cross it . Open it for all to see abi? Thats what they want. Wear a tight or panty-hose...... don't go commando to church ! Cover up dammit |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by plappville(f): 2:44am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Now we are going to see what the Scripture says on tradition of men and of God. It may be long because Scriptures will have to explain Scripture. Traditions from/of God are in accord with His word, and are recorded in, scripture. While Traditions of men are not supported by the Scripture and this nullify the Scripture. Did the Scripture gave traditions of God? YES: 2Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and "not after the tradition which he received of us". 2Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. AS PLAINLY SHOWED HERE, WE DID RECIEVED SOME TRADITIONS FROM CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES! 1 Peter 1:18-19, "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:" We are going to see that Jesus used only the Scripture in settling every matter that was brought before Him. He secured His arguments with His opponents by saying "Have you not read?" The Scripture reveals that Jesus held ONLY what is written in the book. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it "not written in your law", I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; When He disputed the Pharisees on their high view of tradition see: Mark 7:13 when He was tested by the Sadduces concerning the resurrection, He continue qouting the Scripture: Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? When He was confronted by the devil, Jesus responded three times(3*): "It is written" (Matt. 4:4-10). The word of God says, in severally pages of the Bible, that our faith is not to rest in human wisdom. That we should not use human wisdom or reasoning to tamper with His word! You are not to add your own thoughts in “your wisdom” or to ‘correct’ or subtract from His thoughts. This is a point @Goshen360 was trying to make, If you must correct in the body of Christ Why not lie hands on the Scripture. It's a very serious thing to violate God's word by holding so much on traditions of men. Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, [b] lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Deut 4:2 [b] Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. A strong warning right from the old till Christ second comming. "DO NOT ADD TO IT"! [/b]This is a very serious thing for any man in his own wisdom, to subtract from or to add anything to the word of God. Reve 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 [b] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. We have seen that Jesus did not add traditions outside of what was recorded but that He made the scriptures to be understood by His disciples. Christ and His disciples expounded on the OT, Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.(Luke 24:32,31, John 5:38-47, I Corinthians 14:37) This is not Adding to the scripture. Extra-biblical traditions means ADDING some things that are nt found in the scriptures at all. Those who do so need to heed the warnings of tampering- -be it adding or subtracting. The ideal of telling someone how to sit or stand should be backed up with the Scripture. If Christ had failed to use Scripture for every issue that was brought to Him, He couldn't have given perfect replies to His opponets. The Church are to do thesame, take example from Jesus and His Apostles. If there was a reason why the Church Told the OP not to cross her legs, then They should have used the scripture to explain and not by traditions outside of what is written in scripture. The Church should disregard men tradition for Scripture. So much to say on this topic. As this is one of the things eating up the Church. MEN TRADITION! 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by plappville(f): 2:56am On Jan 05, 2013 |
piero2u: Keep women out of this, this is a habit for both sex, btw, if the man ADAM that seeks a helper had stayed close to His helper, would the serpent had gotten the chance to decieve the woman? You peole like accusing women here and then. Christ came to this world was possible without a man. Jesus ressurected, it was a woman that sew him first. All this make no sense to you? why referring to ur ADAM AND EVE old school story? Mind you, it was not a woman that betrayed Jesus. Please tell us what the scripture says on crossing of legs jare! |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by plappville(f): 3:09am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Goshen360: This topic can only be argued 'scripturally' or 'logically'. Thank you for this very truth, If everyone can rely only on the Scripture traditions, Men Traditions won't be growing stronger each day in the Church. You hit the point seriously, It matters alot because the OP happens to be a female. 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by plappville(f): 3:18am On Jan 05, 2013 |
tomzman: I agree with you, but will it be a problem if it was to be a man that crossed his legs? We are taking this personally as Africans. I can understand the culture traditions of our fathers but as Christians, we are supposed to follow biblical examples. The things which are not penned are not Gods command. Scripture treated dressing mode, eating etc etc..if how we sit and stand should be a case, It would have been treated as well I wouldn't believed crossing of legs in the Church would be a case until i saw this thread.... 1 Peter 1:18-19, "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:" 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by plappville(f): 3:25am On Jan 05, 2013 |
May 5: so are you saying a persons that crosses their legs while in church are not well train No, i was saying that home training should be done at home not in the church. Crossing of legs when sitting doesn't make one look disobedient. |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Nobody: 3:25am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Does every good morals and respectful attitude expected from any church goer / believer has to be printed in the Bible? It's not written in the Bible opptildool ! We get that .... But does it has to be proven before she obeys the rule ? If you go to any club ....do you ask the bouncers why they have to check your bags before they let you in? If that's how they want it .... then so be it period! |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Nobody: 3:32am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Maybe it's more of etiquette, just like table manners... Why do I say 'excuse me' when I sneeze? Maybe the Church she is attending thinks otherwise, and would rather not want you to cross your legs.... A lot of posts bashed the Church as being unreasonable and infringing on her right, I don't see it that way, I see it as a way of implementing manners. If she isn't comfortable with it, she should leave. You don't demand explanation for everything, especially in places where no one forces you to attend. 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Okp1975: 5:29am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Crossing of legs in church may be wrong based on the norm in your church, all you need do is to follow the instructions and behave as accepted there. Most churches may accept crossing of legs and ladies wearing trousers . It is all about the instructions where you worship, and this is why most pple change churches if they don't get an explanation for certain rules. Respect God by honoring the authority He has put in place- even the Ushers. We are in the Era of Grace that's why we take instructions lightly, and don't forget that the Priest or Reverend spiritually understands things you don't, even in your apeearance you can send a wrong signal. Have you experience a court room before? Go there and try to be comfortable in some way then u'll know the consequence of orderliness. 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by stantob(m): 6:31am On Jan 05, 2013 |
plappville: The bible did not tell us how to sit, stand, or lie or walk. But It says every wrong doings is a sin, and not all sin leads to condemnation. If you feel its wrong you should stop it. But I think we should try to know if this isa tradition.Well explained.Correct. |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by searay(m): 6:44am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Isn't it making the "subject matter" more conspicuous?
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Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by ogaisaac(m): 7:00am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Any form of sitin down dat wil expos ur centa of calveture in d church is nt only wrong, bt is taboo. So, mind d way u cros ur legs 2 avoid atentio |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Michael13(m): 7:59am On Jan 05, 2013 |
If she like...make she bRing mat sleep for church! 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Jobabori(m): 8:07am On Jan 05, 2013 |
plappville: The bible did not tell us how to sit, stand, or lie or walk. But It says every wrong doings is a sin, and not all sin leads to condemnation. If you feel its wrong you should stop it. But I think we should try to know if this isa tradition.We now have a medical angle to the problem. Is it every time you cross your leg that a particular usher corrected you or every usher anytime you do it?. If the former it may be a personal opinion of the said usher but if the later it may be against the teaching of the church.You do not need to quarry the source. I always like to obey church ushers.[b][/b] |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by peckerlord: 8:22am On Jan 05, 2013 |
tpia@: I am giving u simple instruction to delete your Nairaland account , please dont ask me why, because u arent entitled to a logical explanation and its a simple instruction which isnt inimical to your bieng. i hope u understand. people like you are called follow follow......how can you be asked to do something and u dont know why, but because it doesnt affect your existence , u shud just do it, and asking why now becomes a problem....pls have a second thought |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by peckerlord: 8:26am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Jobabori: We now have a medical angle to the problem. Is it every time you cross your leg that a particular usher corrected you or every usher anytime you do it?. If the former it may be a personal opinion of the said usher but if the later it may be against the teaching of the church.You do not need to quarry the source. I always like to obey church ushers.[b][/b] I think what she wants to know is the spiritual angle, why is it wrong in church.....u can keep following the ushers order, even if u are been asked to slap the pastor, but u shud always have a reason for evry action.people dont just talk or act |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by peckerlord: 8:29am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Okp1975: Crossing of legs in church may be wrong based on the norm in your church, all you need do is to follow the instructions and behave as accepted there. Most churches may accept crossing of legs and ladies wearing trousers . It is all about the instructions where you worship, and this is why most pple change churches if they don't get an explanation for certain rules. Respect God by honoring the authority He has put in place- even the Ushers. We are in the Era of Grace that's why we take instructions lightly, and don't forget that the Priest or Reverend spiritually understands things you don't, even in your apeearance you can send a wrong signal. Have you experience a court room before? Go there and try to be comfortable in some way then u'll know the consequence of orderliness. thats in the court, cant some just give a sensible explanation other than just follow the instructions, ALL SHE WANTS IS , IS IT WRONG, what if puting the legs down wud make the next person feel uncomformatable in a way........DOCTRINES |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by harobed81: 8:46am On Jan 05, 2013 |
edreesabiodun: See the problem I have with religion? Dogmatic bull!! How can you ask someone not to do something without a logical explanation and you expect them to take you seriously? it won't be called religion if there was a logical explanation for everything. 2 Likes |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by peruso: 8:54am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Uwakuwak: if it right no one would correct you, Wrong answer! Who defines what is RIGHT OR WRONG in your life? |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Nobody: 9:26am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Sitting nd crossing your leg is a sign of pride. And u can't b doing that in d presence of the almighty |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Oahray: 9:28am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Its funny how people keep saying "if that is what they (the church) wants, just do it" or "if you can't obey the rules, just leave". Smh. This is exactly why some reasonable peeps are losing interest in church. It reminds me of the circumcision controversy among 1st century christians. Some took it upon themselves to be the church and dictate to others how to worship God and that they had to get circumcised first before God can approve them. Centuries ago, the (catholic) church burnt people alive for owning a Bible. Just to please them or to save their own lives, many must have discarded theirs or avoided owning one in the first place. Yet some peeps claim the church is always right and you must not question anything. At times it doesnt hurt to use your head. Being religious doesnt make one a robot. Please stop calling the op rebellious. As far as I know, she is one of the few sincere christians there are. A rebelious person disregards laws outright. She simply asked questions from a sincere heart. If asking questions is being rebellious, it is better to be rebellious to the church while obeying God than be a two-faced hypocrite: pleasing the church in matters of crossing legs, yet fornicating or committing any other serious sin without batting an eyelid. Enough said. 3 Likes |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by johngreggk: 9:28am On Jan 05, 2013 |
I uncontiously do that as well and was onece corrected and I heeded to it. But I 've been thinking, if there is any thing I should not do in the Church (the precence of God) I should't do any where at all, even in my room when I'm alone. Is there any place that has no God's presence? While praying? Yes, I need to get into a suitable mood. Well, its just my personal opinion. But we need sincerity in our worship. |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by IncomeTutor: 9:46am On Jan 05, 2013 |
An interesting thread! How I wish God was around to moderate it! Polarizing views can be interesting to read in matters like this. |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Oahray: 9:48am On Jan 05, 2013 |
johngreggk: I uncontiously do that as well and was onece corrected and I heeded to it. But I 've been thinking, if there is any thing I should not do in the Church (the precence of God) I should't do any where at all, even in my room when I'm alone. Is there any place that has no God's presence? While praying? Yes, I need to get into a suitable mood. Well, its just my personal opinion. But we need sincerity in our worship.Well said! Many churches and their leaders promote hypocrisy. That's the reason for the kind of christianity we see. Many people believe God sees them only on sunday when they are in church, so that is the only place where one shouldnt do certain things. 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Mightyodi: 10:25am On Jan 05, 2013 |
young lady what is wrong is that the bible say honor your father and mother so that your days will be long. If your mom say keep ur leg straight, then do like wise. Remember wat an elder sees sit the young one cant see it climbing a tree. Obey is better than curiousity. Gbam. 1 Like |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by SNCOQ3(m): 10:27am On Jan 05, 2013 |
PHIPEX: I laugh whenever I hear people insist that everything must be shown in Black and white in the Bible. Can anybody tell me where the Bible forbids smoking in the Church? Can anyone show me where the Bible say that it a sin to eat while the Service is going on? If we want to be logical we will certainly find 1001 reasons to do so and still claim freedom. But God gave us our conscience and the Holy Spirit to direct us in certain things that are not explicitly stated in the Bible.God bless you. |
Re: Crossing Your Legs In Church, Is It Wrong? by Oahray: 10:46am On Jan 05, 2013 |
Mightyodi: young lady what is wrong is that the bible say honor your father and mother so that your days will be long. If your mom say keep ur leg straight, then do like wise. Remember wat an elder sees sit the young one cant see it climbing a tree. Obey is better than curiousity. Gbam.Our people say that he who asks questions would never lose his way. Curiosity is better than blind obedience any day. You guys should stop discouraging sincere questions. Its not christlike. Jesus did not condemn anyone for asking questions. 1 Like |
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