musKeeto: This guy, don't you get the point?
You don't have to be an atheist to feel life's meaningless.

There's a whole world of difference between reading a reply and comprehending it.

Mr_Anony:
If the above was the point you were trying to make, then please don't blame me for not comprehending it because it was pure logical nonsense. Actually you do need to be an atheist to conclude that life is meaningless. The whole point of Theism is that life's meaning is derived from God.

Mr_Anony:
If the above was the point you were trying to make, then please don't blame me for not comprehending it because it makes no sense logically. The whole point of Theism is that life's meaning is derived from God. So actually you do need to be an atheist to conclude that life is meaningless.

musKeeto: This guy, don't you get the point?
You don't have to be an atheist to feel life's meaningless.

Mr_Anony:
So actually you do need to be an atheist to conclude that life is meaningless.

Logicboy03:

1) Who told you that atheists believe that life is meaningless? A Buddhist atheist will tell you from his religion that life is finding your own path to enlightenment. I will tell you that life is an empty slate and you have the choice to fill it with your own meaning.

2) Theism does not give life a purpose. A deist is also a theist. A deist does not believe in a personal god and such god does not have an effect on life's meaning.



Please, get your facts right

Mr_Anony:
I stopped reading when I saw "Buddhist atheist"

Mr_Anony:
I stopped reading when I saw "Buddhist atheist"

musKeeto:
Anony and Anonyism... lol...

I use 'feel'


He anonizes it to 'conclude'


Of course, now his original argument makes sense, because Solomon's 'conclusion' aids his argument that a theist would derive a meaning from God. Fortunately, he would be right.

Unfortunately, no one was having that argument with him...

Logicboy03:


Thanks for showing your ignorance

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/buddhaatheism.htm
http://thebuddhistblog..co.uk/2007/05/buddhism-and-atheism.html

ifeness:
Judge not right?

Very christian of you. You seem to be all about worshiping ur master jesus and not actually pay attention to the message. because if you did,you will realise that Buddhists taught the same message as ur master did. Tolerance is what you lack ......you need to go back to ur root.

Mr_Anony:
Lol, how very tolerant of you kind sir.

....by the way, you didn't understand my response; I am quite sure logicboy doesn't feel "judged". All the same I applaud your "tolerance".

Mr_Anony:
Ah the "anonyism cop-out again.

Mr_Anony:
If Solomon was writing a book whose sole aim is to make the statement God gives meaning, then it is obvious that he didn't really feel that Life is meaningless since the whole purpose of his writing was to show that meaning is derived from God.

Ecclesiastes 1:
12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! 14 I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

Mr_Anony:
Only some clever bit of quote-mining (like you have done here) will try to make it seem as if he felt that life was truly meaningless. Once again my dear you have no point.

Mr_Anony:
......and yes I have now purposely emphasized the "feeling" so that you won't escape by playing on semantics.

ifeness:

I am gay.....would you still tolerate me?

musKeeto:
In your own words, predictability is a sign of consistency. Anonyism is quickly becoming a two-way street... thanks to you..

1st highlighted - Na.. try 'conclusion' rather than 'sole aim'.. it would fit in more nicely in this context...

2nd highlighted - lol, what do you mean by 'really feel'... a loose opinion? Before you start your usual semantic waltz,
Feeling: Opinion based more on emotion than on reason; sentiment.

Let's say I agree with you that he didn't really feel, was Solomon drunk when he scribbled these verse?

Ecclesiastes 1:
12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! 14 I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

Anony, anony, maybe you're the one who needs to go through the Book of Ecclesiastes instead of aimlessly rambling... If Solomon's verses in the opening books of Ecclesiastes weren't his opinions/feelings after experiencing all that life has to offer(at least physically), then what were they?

So, you purposely switched 'feeling' for 'conclusion' in your original reply? interesting...

Mr_Anony:
You've lost me here.

Mr_Anony:
Lol, more semantic play from you. "sole aim" or "conclusion". Doesn't change anything. The point of the book remains the same that God is the source of meaning (feel free to insert as many synonyms as you like)

Mr_Anony:
If definition (b) is what you meant by "feeling" i.e. emotion rather than reason, then Eccl 1:12-14 that you quoted does not help your case because because there Solomon clearly states that he took time to study.

Mr_Anony:
Now what did Solomon study? As we read through the book we see Solomon carefully debunking the myths that that meaning can be found in riches, or wealth, or women, or political power e.t.c. He picks up each aspect one by one, discusses them at length and then one by one, he declares them vanity upon vanity. . . . .until we come to this beautiful climax:

Mr_Anony:
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all. For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.
- Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

Mr_Anony:
[s]In fact if you study the book of Ecclesiastes, the whole point of that book illustrates the same message Jesus preached in Matthew 6:31-33
“..........Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you."
[/s]

Mr_Anony:
Sometimes I really wish you would actually study the bible instead of merely quote mining it.

Mr_Anony:
Muskeeto muskeeto, when Solomon was experiencing all those riches and women, we both know that he was far from God (please read about the life of Solomon). Anyway, not that it matters, the very verse you quoted shows that Solomon in his book was not portraying a mere "feeling" like you would like us to believe.

Mr_Anony:
Actually no I did not. You were the one who decided to focus on my choice of words rather than the meat of the argument I was making so I decided to purposely use the "feeling" word so as to show you that the point I am making is not dependent on the words I chose. I don't play on semantics. I always want people to get the point I am making and not focus on individual words.

inspiredbyGOD:.:
And I don't think a disbelief in God would really make someone do all that. I just feel atheism brings about hopelessness with their "no purpose for life" nonsense.

musKeeto:
Lol, make that an 8-way street then, use google maps, you'd find your way back..

Keep putting words in my mouth. You're the one who's finding it difficult to differentiate opinion from conclusion. You're trying desperately to change my initial argument. You accuse me of quote-mining and I replied that 'ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN ATHEIST TO FEEL LIKE LIFE'S MEANINGLESS'...
But for Anony to win an argument he himself started, I have to accept his definitions and synonyms.. lol...

Neither does it help your case, because if his studies led to these opinions, then they were quite solid opinions, OPINION not CONCLUSION, Anony

Again, you switch the argument to his conclusion..
Usual rambling..

And I wish you'd stop misrepresenting arguments, and introducing strawmen and strawladies where they aren't needed..

1ST HIGHLIGHTED - Was Solomon an atheist?
2ND HIGHLIGHTED - Keep dodging the obvious.. Until you find a word for whatever he was portraying/trying to convey, 'mere feeling' would do just fine..

And how do you make these points without words? You get caught in a blatant act of Anonyism, and instead of owing up, you say the words don't matter, just the message? What the 4k?
Sorry, I don't speak in tongues... ;

Mr_Anony:
If the above was the point you were trying to make, then please don't blame me for not comprehending it because it makes no sense logically.
The whole point of Theism is that life's meaning is derived from God.

So actually you do need to be an atheist in order to conclude that life is meaningless.

advocate666:

No. Not according to Solomon as demonstrated by Muskeeto

Mr_Anony:

If atheism is the absence of belief in gods, then many Buddhists are, indeed, atheists.

Buddhism is not about either believing or not believing in God or gods. Rather, the historical Buddha taught that believing in gods was not useful for those seeking to realize enlightenment. In other words, God is unnecessary in Buddhism. For this reason, Buddhism is more accurately called nontheistic than atheistic.

The above is from the first paragraph of your link.

I'll tell you something all buddhists must believe which is; life after death. Buddhists believe that man has a spirit.

Now please explain to me how this fits within an atheist worldview. After that, please explain to me how an atheist can logically hold that there is life after death and equally hold that God doesn't exist.

Nontheism was only created and continues to be used in order to avoid the negative baggage the comes with atheism due to the bigotry of so many Christians towards atheism.

Mr_Anony:
Lol, I don't merely tolerate you, I love you gay or not.

musKeeto: @Anony: congrats on debating yourself and winning... The last guy that did went on to become president of our country..

One doesn't have to be an atheist to 'feel' that life's meaningless, have doubts as to the purpose/non-purpose of life.... Ecclesiastes chronicles Solomon's search for purpose, and his conclusion.

Logicboy03:




lol.....the wrods of a desperate man.


Non-theism covers atheism and agnosticism




http://atheism.about.com/od/Types-Atheism-FAQ/f/Difference-Nontheism-Atheism.htm





Secondly, not all buddhists believe in life after death or reincarnation. So try again.




See how you have to lie?

Mr_Anony:
Lol really? What sort of buddhist will those be?

Last I checked, the Buddha himself believed in life after death. The whole point of enlightenment is that you can only attain Nirvana after death. What are you talking about?

I wonder at this your brand of Buddhism that contradicts Buddha. Kinda like Christianity without Christ, or Islam without Mohammed. Lol, please don't make me laugh abeg.

Buddha would say nothing for or against life after death.
Reincarnation is often taught in Buddhism, but they also say there is no permanent self that moves from life to life.
Buddhism focuses on the present life...what you can do right now, so they do not worry about what comes after the death of the body.
Buddhists believe that there is no soul, only a conciousness that is made up of frames (snapshots of emotions, feelings, thought) The energy of this conciousness moves from body to body like a flame from candle to candle, until that conciousness reaches 'nirvana', when it becomes at 'blissful peace' with the universe.

musKeeto: @Anony: I need not say more. You probably misunderstood me..

Like I earlier said,
There's a difference between reading and comprehending.. ;-)

Logicboy03:


Seeing as you were confused about atheism (claiming there is nothing wrong with r.ape if you're an atheist) and satanism (claiming that there is no atheist version of satanism), there is no reason not to expect you to fail on Buddhism




http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_Buddhists_believe_in_life_after_death

Also, I like how you moved away from your failure on non-theism.

Logicboy03: https://www.nairaland.com/1173344/anony-still-hold-atheist-there


Challenging your rape asserion
https://www.nairaland.com/1173344/anony-still-hold-atheist-there

Mr_Anony:
Lol seriously? wiki answers? You may as well quote a Nairaland thread or a facebook post.

I'll ask you one question: Which brand of buddhism does not believe in life after death? Name it.



Lol, I did not. You pulled out a very opinionated definition from about.com which is just as valid as if I quoted Yahoo Answers for a definition. You made no point. That I ignore some of your stuff sometimes is usually not because of "failure". Sometimes I just can't be bothered to reply it.

"All Buddhists believe in reincarnation"
This misconception is understandable, given that Tibetan Buddhists (such as the Dalai Lama), who do believe in a form of reincarnation, are perhaps the most "visible" of the many sects of Buddhism. Also, watching recent movies like Little Buddha, Seven Years in Tibet or Kundun, might lead one to believe that Tibetan Buddhism is "representative" of Buddhism in general. However, Shin Buddhists generally treat belief in reincarnation in the same way we treat belief in a god: We don't give it much thought. What's important is not which Buddhists believe in reincarnation and which don't, but that all Buddhists do strive to awaken to one central teaching: The universal truth of the impermanent and interdependent nature of all life. As our awareness of this truth awakens, so does our awareness of compassion.

Mr_Anony:
I respectfully refuse to honour that thread with my presence. Feel free to ask the same question here

Mr_Anony:
Yawn. . . . the final cheap shot. Why don't you explain to your pal advocate666 exactly what you meant. He seems to have understood your response the same way I did.

Yeah and one doesn't need to be a theist to "feel" that God gives life meaning.....what sort of argument is that?

You really want me to believe that "feelings" was the original point you wanted to pass across to InspiredbyGod? Or you adjusted your stance when you found your position untenable?

Either way, one good thing has come out of this we are now all clear on the fact that you were not really rebutting InspiredbyGod's point but was only informing us about how a theist might feel sometimes. Thank you for your contribution. Sorry we misunderstood you earlier. Please next time don't quote mine scripture with the intention of misleading people ok.


.....and yeah once again, advocate666 misunderstood your stance too. Could you kindly correct him. You wouldn't want him to be arguing straw ladies and gentlemen now would you?