idirect: [size=13pt]The red card gave Sir Alex a perfect alibi. Great man manager, but average tactician, I have always maintained. When your team goes a man down, rightly or wrongly, you have to make a tactical change. He didn't!He moaned and pleaded with the fans to make more noise. It works in England. Against the best players it's a laughable tactic. He should have immediately taken off RVP who had been a passenger all nigh and brought in an extra midfielder. Jose said when jhe was at Inter that in England they play with their hearts and in Italy and elsewhere they play with their minds. last night was a perfect example.
Jose the tactician quickly changed his plan to bring in Benzema for Higuaim. Took out Aberloa who was on a yellow and would have been booed the whole night and brought in a creative midfielder. The rest is history-atleast in the rest of the world.
Inter Milan lost a man to a dubious redcard at the camp nou in 2010 in the frist few minutes of the first half and still went on to win. Chelsea lost Terry and still went on to win at Camp Nou. I can go on..
Bottom line- Top teams with top managers do not concede 2 goalsin 12 minutes just becuase they lost a man. Alex's lack of tactical awareness cost them the game. Over the two legs they played like a small team that knew they were gainst a superior team (despite the claims that it was a clash of giants) and they went out like a small team- instead of playing lke a team that's leading the supposedly best league in the world by more than 10 points. Let's not forget, Real had 65% possession and no United player had no actual scored a goal before the sending off.

For the record, yes another ref would probably have not given the red card but those of us who do not just watch the EPL see them given in Europe all the time.[/size]

emma4much4u: I have 2 questions for all manu fans who think it wasn't worth a red card.1.Why did Nani have to raise his studs so high just to control a ball that would naturally come down to his feeth if he felt that there was no other contender for the ball?.2.Why did he stay down after the incident feigning injury?.If u can answer this 2 questions without sentiments,then u will see why he was red carded.

Fabville:
I know you are a good coach and a good tactician. I want you list teams that played with ten men against eleven men in champions league competition and went ahead to win the such match apart from the two that is against Barcelona because you said you can go on.

You also said that SAF should have brought out RVP for a defender to defend one goal against Real Madrid! What you failed to know is that Barcelona is a team that plays only possession football and if they face any team that has disciplined defenders they always struggle because that is the only style of game they have. Barcelona rarely shoots from outside the penalty box. Unlike Real Madrid that can that can also possess the ball, can also counter-attack, and can shoot the ball from anywhere outside the box. Will any Barcelona player shoot the ball the way Modric shoot to score? No. They'll rather want to work the ball into the net. Any team that plays too defensive against Real Madrid will always concede a goal/an own goal. It is always a suicidal for you to sit back and defend one goal against Real Madrid.

You said they played like a small team over the two legs. Who was the busier goal keeper in the second leg before the red card was given? Madrid Goal keeper. What brought out the own goal? Pressure. Up until the red card, how many shot on goal did Madrid have? I don't know what you meant by United played like a small team.

You also said that top teams with top managers do not concede 2 goals in 12 minutes just becuase they lost a man and that because of that SAF lacks tactical awareness. I will take down memory lane on your "Jose the Tactician". In the first el clasico played by Jose, with 11 v 11 that he lost by 5 - 0, David Villa scored two goals within two minutes(55th and 58th minute). Also, at santiago banebeau in December 2011, he lost to Bacelona by 3 - 1 with two goals by Xavi in 54th minute and Fabregas 65th minute(within 12 minutes). What does that make your Jose? A very bad tatctician because he played with 11 vs 11 and lost two games with two goals within 12 minutes.

Lest i forget, possession doesn't win a football game. No team possess the ball more than Barcelona but then they still lost to Ac Milan, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Rubin Kazan, and so on.
This same so called "Good Tactician" Mourinho came to Old Trafford with Inter Milan in 2009 and got beaten with two unreplied goals. Stop throwing stones. SAF is one of the best coaches in the game. Mourinho himself admitted that 11 v 11 he wouldn't have won that game.

baby-boy:


We were talking about decision united get away with, who cares whether they finish with 13 v 11

baby-boy:



Was Kompany sent off in that match? yes or no.......

Fabville:
I know you are a good coach and a good tactician. I want you list teams that played with ten men against eleven men in champions league competition and went ahead to win the such match apart from the two that is against Barcelona because you said you can go on.

You also said that SAF should have brought out RVP for a defender to defend one goal against Real Madrid! What you failed to know is that Barcelona is a team that plays only possession football and if they face any team that has disciplined defenders they always struggle because that is the only style of game they have. Barcelona rarely shoots from outside the penalty box. Unlike Real Madrid that can that can also possess the ball, can also counter-attack, and can shoot the ball from anywhere outside the box. Will any Barcelona player shoot the ball the way Modric shoot to score? No. They'll rather want to work the ball into the net. Any team that plays too defensive against Real Madrid will always concede a goal/an own goal. It is always a suicidal for you to sit back and defend one goal against Real Madrid.

You said they played like a small team over the two legs. Who was the busier goal keeper in the second leg before the red card was given? Madrid Goal keeper. What brought out the own goal? Pressure. Up until the red card, how many shot on goal did Madrid have? I don't know what you meant by United played like a small team.

You also said that top teams with top managers do not concede 2 goals in 12 minutes just becuase they lost a man and that because of that SAF lacks tactical awareness. I will take down memory lane on your "Jose the Tactician". In the first el clasico played by Jose, with 11 v 11 that he lost by 5 - 0, David Villa scored two goals within two minutes(55th and 58th minute). Also, at santiago banebeau in December 2011, he lost to Bacelona by 3 - 1 with two goals by Xavi in 54th minute and Fabregas 65th minute(within 12 minutes). What does that make your Jose? A very bad tatctician because he played with 11 vs 11 and lost two games with two goals within 12 minutes.

Lest i forget, possession doesn't win a football game. No team possess the ball more than Barcelona but then they still lost to Ac Milan, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Rubin Kazan, and so on.
This same so called "Good Tactician" Mourinho came to Old Trafford with Inter Milan in 2009 and got beaten with two unreplied goals. Stop throwing stones. SAF is one of the best coaches in the game. Mourinho himself admitted that 11 v 11 he wouldn't have won that game.

emma4much4u: I have 2 questions for all manu fans who think it wasn't worth a red card.1.Why did Nani have to raise his studs so high just to control a ball that would naturally come down to his feeth if he felt that there was no other contender for the ball?.2.Why did he stay down after the incident feigning injury?.If u can answer this 2 questions without sentiments,then u will see why he was red carded.

Fabville: All Man United haters should go to this site http://www.debatabledecisions.com/english-premier-league-tables and see who benefits most from refrees decisions in EPL this season after 22 games. See where Man United is, where they would have been without those decisions and the position they are on the Decision Table.

dopeJemi:

God bLess u 4 dis statistics.. Dis z 2 show dat dey hate Manchester united 4 being successfuL, even without d heLp of referees we still top d tabLe, doesn't dat define success.. Thank God we alL know d club dat has benefited more 4rm poor officiating and where dey wud av been if not 4 d heLp of d refs

Smh! Let dem hate alL dey want, it doesn't change d fact dat we r d Best in engLand

pro01: Na (red) devil go punish Nani and Man U in general. Dem think say ojoro na their birthright. Was Torres' red card in Chelsea vs Man U (at Stamford Bridge) justified? Not every referee belongs to the 'PDP'. Serves them right.

elampiro:

So why not be sure before you attack people?

If you had followed the previous comments carefully, you should have seen where I clarified that the red card was in FA cup match of last season. Some other people corroborated it. United were leading three nil, then city scored two, and it ended 2-3.

The argument was that it was not the league match of this season which was played in November. The match Rooney scored two goals, then Zabeleta and Y.Toure equalised before RVP scored a stoppage time winner with a stunning free kick. That was a clean match without any sending off. You jumped into the argument half way just because you want to criticise Man United. The anti Man U guy who started the argument said Kompany was sent off in the league match this season. That is the basis of this argument.

harlos: i'm not trying to be an anti-man u here, from the start i don't like man u, as a chelsea fan cos everytime we meet u always rub us to win.

CTID!

Lowkeys: Yes it is justified! Nani himself knows his intention.

1025: to me, man u fans have no moral justification to talk about bad officiating because they win games based on bad officiating day in, day out. just a red card to a nani and the whole world has been brought to a standstill. when their personal ref gave chelsea two criminal red cards and an offside goal in a single match, nobody said anything. when chelsea was red carded against barca and were two goals down right there in camp nou, we made no excuses but we concentrated till we arrieved at buyern.
u were at home and 1 goal up via an own goal, what can't u do in few minutes with ten men.
fergie is no longer talking to press, he is no longer shaking hands with other coaches even our interim coach. the wife was even complaining that he no longer sleep inside their bed room. inside church, he keeps to himself. what is really happening? is this all about a red card or did the ref collect money and refused to deliver? this whole thing is getting suspicious.

Fabville:

Javi Martinez committed a more dangerous play offense against Arsenal's Rosicky than Nani did against Arbeloa but was given a Yellow card. Where is the consistency?

Fabville:
I know you are a good coach and a good tactician. I want you list teams that played with ten men against eleven men in champions league competition and went ahead to win the such match apart from the two that was against Barcelona because you said you can go on.

You also said that SAF should have brought out RVP for a defender to defend one goal against Real Madrid! What you failed to know is that Barcelona is a team that plays only possession football but if they face any team that has disciplined defenders they always struggle because that is the only style of game they play. Barcelona rarely shoots from outside the penalty box. Unlike Real Madrid that can also possess the ball, can counter-attack, and can shoot the ball from anywhere outside the box. Will any Barcelona player shoot the ball the way Modric shot to score? No. They'll rather want to work the ball into the net. Any team that plays too defensive against Real Madrid will always concede a goal/an own goal. It is always suicidal for any team to sit back and defend one goal against Real Madrid.

You said they played like a small team over the two legs. Who was the busier goal keeper in the second leg before the red card was given? Madrid Goal keeper. What brought out the own goal? Pressure. Up until the red card, how many shot on goal did Madrid have? I don't know what you meant by United played like a small team.

You also said that top teams with top managers do not concede 2 goals in 12 minutes just becuase they lost a man and that because of that SAF lacks tactical awareness. I will take down memory lane on your "Jose the Tactician". In the first el clasico played by Jose, with 11 v 11 that he lost "Scandalously" by 5 - 0, David Villa scored two goals within two minutes(55th and 58th minute). Also, at santiago banebeau in December 2011, he lost to Bacelona by 3 - 1 with two goals by Xavi in 54th minute and Fabregas 65th minute(within 12 minutes). What does that make your Jose? A very bad tactician because he played with 11 vs 11 and lost two games with two goals within 12 minutes.

Lest i forget, possession doesn't win a football game. No team possess the ball more than Barcelona but then they still lost to Ac Milan, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Rubin Kazan, and so on.
This same so called "Good Tactician" Mourinho came to Old Trafford with Inter Milan in 2009 and got beaten with two unreplied goals. Stop throwing stones. SAF is one of the best coaches in the game. Mourinho himself admitted that 11 v 11 he wouldn't have won that game.