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Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 1:45pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: Luke 11:27 "As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave birth and nursed you" How in God's name does this translate to: "praying to Mary to intercede for you is wrong." You just want to twist the words of scripture and force them to say what you want they to say, but they wont. Also, Mary says, in the book of Luke, "all generations shall call me BLESSED." So do you think that Jesus was contradicting that statement and also contradicting God's commandment that he should honour his mother? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 1:46pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
italo:You know the catholic church is the only and true church of God?, you don't say?...So does that mean non-catholics should kneel before statues and soil our faith in God's word, No, thank you... PS i still stand by my opinion, Peter was the rock on which Christ's church was established, YES...but that church wasn't the catholic church and Peter definitely wasn't a pope. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 1:54pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
Enigma: Why should we believe and accept the description of the Catholic Church rendered by "The Westminster Confession of Faith" when the whole world knows that the Anglican Church and its "Westminster Confession of Faith" only came about because King Henry VIII wanted to keep sleeping with Anne Boleyn openly when she wasnt his wife? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 1:55pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
italo:your powers of evaluation needs a little more work, don't they...when someone says "rather" it means the introduction of an idea that is different from the stated one....Jesus used rather because he did not agree that the woman should exult his mother, when she should be exulting God and obey his words |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 1:56pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: You know the catholic church is the only and true church of God?, you don't say?...So does that mean non-catholics should kneel before statues and soil our faith in God's word, No, thank you... For the third time I ask: I asked and you didnt tell me: You mean there are many Christian Churches worldwide? Which among these was the "CHURCH" (SINGULAR) that Jesus said he would build on "...Peter...this rock..?" Why are you scared to answer this question honestly? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 2:00pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: your powers of evaluation needs a little more work, don't they...when someone says "rather" it means the introduction of an idea that is different from the stated one....Jesus used rather because he did not agree that the woman should exult his mother, when she should be exulting God and obey his words Then I ask again: Also, Mary says, in the book of Luke, "all generations shall call me BLESSED." The Angel said to Mary: "Hail, highly favoured! "So do you think that Jesus was contradicting those statements and also contradicting God's commandment that he should honour his mother? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 2:08pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
You're blessed/highly favoured, doesn't mean I should worship you...doesn't mean I should make an image of you out of wax and ceramics and direct my prayers to you...it's never done |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 2:12pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
italo:Scared?...anyway, do you own a dictionary...look up the meaning of the word "Church", then maybe you will answer the question yourself "honestly" something really funny is, you have been asking but haven't bothered answering of the points(aside skidding around the edges) |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 5:03pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
If you ave made up your mind to kill your dog, any rope will do. Its quite obvious that minds are made up how to perceive The Church. I fear nothing we say will make them accept that the church is here to stay. Besides today is Divine Mercy Sunday, not that they care. Can we open another thread and gist about how Mary's intercessions has helped them. 1 Like |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 8:44am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Mart d dart: Scared?...anyway, do you own a dictionary...look up the meaning of the word "Church", then maybe you will answer the question yourself "honestly" For the fourth time I ask: I asked and you didnt tell me: You mean there are many Christian Churches worldwide? Which among these was the "CHURCH" (SINGULAR) that Jesus said he would build on "...Peter...this rock..?" Why are you scared to answer this question honestly? And which question did you ask and I didnt answer. Please point it out and I'll gladly address it. Unlike you, I am not scared of confronting the truth. Truth will always lead to Jesus and his Church. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 8:50am On Apr 08, 2013 |
italo:and I ask again "Do you own a dictionary?. if Yes, look up the meaning of the word church and answer your question yourself" Honesty has nothing to do with owning a dictionary, or does it? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 8:50am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Mart d dart: You're blessed/highly favoured, doesn't mean I should worship you...doesn't mean I should make an image of you out of wax and ceramics and direct my prayers to you...it's never done Stop deviating. You were say Jesus didnt want anyone giving honour to Mary thats why he said "rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey." And I ask again for the third time: Also, Mary says, in the book of Luke, "all generations shall call me BLESSED." The Angel said to Mary: "Hail, highly favoured! "So do you think that Jesus was contradicting those statements and also contradicting God's commandment that he should honour his mother? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 8:56am On Apr 08, 2013 |
math-diva:I was a catholic previously and I stand firm to say that if anyone is mediating for me it is JESUS CHRIST-God the son not mary or any saint for that matter |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 9:01am On Apr 08, 2013 |
italo:I'm happy you finally put it this way Let's personalize this: Mary says a thing and Jesus says another, which would you obey your worship of mary has so clouded your judgement, you can't even tell aside God's word from the words of a mortal woman chosen to bear God's child Jesus says not to and you are going to because "Mary said so"...are you a Mary-tian or a Christian Food for thought: the christians were first called so in antioch, why? Because they were followers of Jesus CHRIST, mary was never mentioned in the mix |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 10:10am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Mart d dart: I'm happy you finally put it this way So Mary was sinning when she said "all generations shall call me blessed?" What about Angel Gabriel who said "Hail! Highly favoured." He was sinning too abi? What about the Holy Spirit who inspired Elizabeth to say these: Luke 1: 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! The Holy Spirit made a mistake? What about God who said "honour your father and mother"? He was wrong? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 10:28am On Apr 08, 2013 |
italo:this points back to what I said before because you're highly favoured doesn't mean I should Make a statue of you, I wonder how you can see the word of God and choose to ignore it...thou shalt not make for thy self a graven statue in the image of what is in heaven or on earth or beneath the earth...it also says - Jesus is the way, truth and the one and only mediator between Us and God, He is the only middle man...did mary ever ask to be exulted?, she said "Generations will call her blessed" indeed she is blessed to have given birth to a son such as Jesus....but ofcourse the all knowing catholic church saw it fit to create idolistic statues and monuments of God-knows-what... Quick Question: is she your mother? I also ask again: are you a follower of Jesus or Mary, please answer the question...(how'd you put it) "Honestly", since you obviously think mary's word is superior to that of God's son-Jesus |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 10:52am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Again, stop deviating. We are not talking about statues now. That is another matter. You said Jesus doesnt want us to honour Mary, that why he said "...rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it" when someone said "blessed is the womb that bore you." And you insinuate that Mary too was wrong in saying "all generations shall call me blessed." So I ask you: italo: Were they all wrong or were they correct? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 10:57am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Mart d dart: I am a follower of Jesus. Mart d dart: since you obviously think mary's word is superior to that of God's son-Jesus This is not what I think. It is what the cells in your brain have cooked up to be 'what I think.' |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 11:18am On Apr 08, 2013 |
How can you say the statues are not the matter here?...we are talking about the way the catholics perverted the gospel... I don't know how much more I have to repeat myself since obviously your evaluative skills are so so...I SAID THEY ARE RIGHT, SHE IS BLESSED AND FAVOURED, BUT DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO MAKE STATUES OF HER AND BOW DOWN BEFORE THEM? You are a christian? You had me fooled, thought you were the pioneer of marytianity, since I have shown you verses in the bible where Jesus stopped a woman form exulting the womb that bore him/mary and you are still using mary's words as fig...Being honoured is a blessing acccorded you that none or very few has-in mary's case it was her birth to Jesus, in Elijah's case it was being taken up into heaven alive...but tell me, was Elijah ever worshipped, why is mary different? Concerning the statues, did God say we should use them? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 11:20am On Apr 08, 2013 |
I'll love to bring another issue of importance into full view, Please Did Mary die? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 11:26am On Apr 08, 2013 |
A |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by bongila(f): 11:38am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Mart d dart: I'll love to bring another issue of importance into full view, Please Heads up bro,you'll argue/teach/lecture/pacify/curse till you are blue in the face and believe me nothing will change. Theirs is a one track mind so save your breathe. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 11:39am On Apr 08, 2013 |
bongila:I will keep trying, God did not give up on me..so i will not give up |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 11:43am On Apr 08, 2013 |
What are you saying exactly? Are you saying it is wrong for us to honour Mary and call her "blessed" or are you saying it is okay? And you are yet to tell me the Church that Christ founded on Peter. Let me get you right on these matters before we move to statues, worship and Mary's 'death.' You cannot escape by trying to confuse me. Mart d dart: How can you say the statues are not the matter here?...we are talking about the way the catholics perverted the gospel... |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 11:45am On Apr 08, 2013 |
bongila: What about your mind? Multi-track? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 11:46am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Mart d dart: I will keep trying, God did not give up on me..so i will not give up Even the devil doesnt give up on winning souls. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 11:58am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Italo, you are yet to answer my question: is she your mother? you quoted a verse it is unfortunate you do not study the word, else you would have seen the remaining verses LUKE 1: 48 For he has been mindful of the humble state of his SERVANT. From now on generations will call me blessed 49. For the Mighty One has done great things FOR me...holy is his name Basis: why worship the servant and ignore the master? God did great things FOR her, not TO her...so she was very much the same mortal before and after the conception and birth of Jesus...NOTHING CHANGED yes, worshipping mary is wrong not because i say it is but because it was never stipulated by the Gospel. No, i'm not trying to confuse you, you have done a good job of that yourself and please, answer the question, did God say we should use statues or not? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 12:09pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
The Christian Church: A group not a denomination...Peter HELPED establish the church(The group who believe that Jesus is the son of God and he died for the sins of this world and follow him IN HOLINESS and TRUTH) Further simplified: it is not a sole group(it is the nature of catholics to think it is a sole denomination) that notwithstanding, it is not a particular brand but a cluster of believers(those that follow the word in HOliness and in Truth)all over the world...so there you are |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by bongila(f): 12:11pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
italo: You bore me really with your one track mind. Day you speak the truth,believe me heavens won't fall. Open up man and learn nobody knows it all. Learn to think outside the box. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 12:11pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
italo:LOL, not entirely practical, seeing as the devil gave up after tempting Jesus |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 12:13pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
bongila:GBAM! |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 12:14pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
Mart d dart: Italo, you are yet to answer my question: is she your mother? Yes. Look how I answer your question easily but you are scared to answer mine. Why? Mart d dart: you quoted a verse it is unfortunate you do not study the word, else you would have seen the remaining verses We worship no one but God. Mart d dart: God did great things FOR her, not TO her...so she was very much the same mortal before and after the conception and birth of Jesus...NOTHING CHANGED I have told you that we will get to the issue of worship, statues and Mary's 'death' right after we thrash what I have been asking you all-thread which for some strange reason, you are scared to answer. italo: What are you saying exactly? |
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