Why risk going against the nortb it they could be our allies? Rise up against them and could destroy us. But if we plegde fealty to them, they will gjve us Casterly Rock. - Theon Greyjoy talking to his father in Season 2 episode 3..

oyetpel:
Why risk going against the nortb it they could be our allies? Rise up against them and could destroy us. But if we plegde fealty to them, they will gjve us Casterly Rock. - Theon Greyjoy talking to his father in Season 2 episode 3..

I'd forgotten about the Young Wolf's proposal through Theon; if only Balon had listened... But the Ironborn will always be Ironborn - stubborn to the point of stupidity, prefering to reave and plunder rather than ally and win.

Men's laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colors since i cannot prove that you are not mine. Tywin Lannister to Tyrion in GoT S3E1.

I found this scene surprisingly beautiful. In a brutal, horribly uncomfortable sort of way.

It would be great to see a white walker Hodor!

RamsayBolton:
It would be great to see a white walker Hodor!

more like a Wight Hodor....that would be ugly and heartbreaking thou...

gj22:


Lol. Is steel or glass supposed to be formed under extreme cold before?

Regular steel swords cannot Kill a Wight or White Walker, just a regular rock cannot kill those creatures.


Valyrian steel is forged with Dragon flame. Obsidian is called Dragonglass


This association with dragons implies that they have extreme heat as imbued attributes


So basically fire to deal with the minions and 'hotter items' to deal with the ogas at the top.

RamsayBolton:
It would be great to see a white walker Hodor!

That would be heartbreaking

I am not really enjoying this season of GOT, many plot lines look so unrealistic and convenient like the parts involving Daenerys.
I feel the suspense and thrill of previous seasons is less in this one.

Nihilist:


Regular steel swords cannot Kill a Wight or White Walker, just a regular rock cannot kill those creatures.


Valyrian steel is forged with Dragon flame. Obsidian is called Dragonglass


This association with dragons implies that they have extreme heat as imbued attributes


So basically fire to deal with the minions and 'hotter items' to deal with the ogas at the top.

It has more to do with their magical properties than how hot the fire was when they were forged.

Sometimes when people say they don't feel the suspense and thrill f this season, I wonder if its Game of Thrones they are watching. I can't think of any episode from this season that is boring and doesn't contains WTF moment

siempere:
more like a Wight Hodor....that would be ugly and heartbreaking thou...

what's d difference between a white walker and a wight?

gj22:


It has more to do with their magical properties than how hot the fire was when they were forged.

Obsidian is a naturally formed volcanic glass. I doubt that it has any 'magical properties'. Granite and Obsidian are both naturally formed from Lava. Only one of them is associated with dragons.

The key thing here is to note that both are associated with Dragons...hence 'heat'

Obsidian - Dragonglass
Valyrian Steel - Dragon flame

The theme is repeated several times in the series...most notably in Quarth when the masked woman described Dragons as 'Fire Made Flesh'.
As you know, Danaerys is strongly associated with Dragons, and fire.

Conversely, the White Walkers are also Ice made flesh...as we see them shatter into Ice when they die. This also empasized by their ice blue eyes, icy skin, Icy crown, and their icy environment.

Basically anything described as Dragon-related in the GoT universe is symbolic of extreme heat...Just as the White walkers are symbolic of extreme cold

Fire vs Wight = Lv1
Dragon anything vs White Walker = Lv2

I'm done with the explaining

maputohq:

what's d difference between a white walker and a wight?

white walkers are d guys with cold skins and supernatural powers....they control and rule d wights...who are just zombies raised fem d dead....for warring purposes....

Nihilist:


They are vulnerable to fire related items.

Valyrian steel and obsidian are both formed under extreme heat.

Not necessarily extreme heat-dragonfire

oyetpel:
Men's laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colors since i cannot prove that you are not mine. Tywin Lannister to Tyrion in GoT S3E1.

...and to teach me humility the gods have condemned me to watch you waddle about wearing that proud lion that was my father's sigil and his father's before him.But neither gods nor men will ever compel me to let you turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse...I actually memorized the whole speech.Lord Tywin remains my favourite GOT character.

Ranchhoddas:
...and to teach me humility the gods have condemned me to watch you waddle about wearing that proud lion that was my father's sigil and his father's before him.But neither gods nor men will ever compel me to let you turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse...I actually memorized the whole speech.Lord Tywin remains my favourite GOT character.

Good

Nihilist:


Obsidian is a naturally formed volcanic glass. I doubt that it has any 'magical properties'. Granite and Obsidian are both naturally formed from Lava. Only one of them is associated with dragons.

The key thing here is to note that both are associated with Dragons...hence 'heat'

Obsidian - Dragonglass
Valyrian Steel - Dragon flame

The theme is repeated several times in the series...most notably in Quarth when the masked woman described Dragons as 'Fire Made Flesh'.
As you know, Danaerys is strongly associated with Dragons, and fire.

Conversely, the White Walkers are also Ice made flesh...as we see them shatter into Ice when they die. This also empasized by their ice blue eyes, icy skin, Icy crown, and their icy environment.

Basically anything described as Dragon-related in the GoT universe is symbolic of extreme heat...Just as the White walkers are symbolic of extreme cold

Fire vs Wight = Lv1
Dragon anything vs White Walker = Lv2

I'm done with the explaining

Okay. I understand what you are saying. So, are you saying that fire, and other elements can also kill WW?

Vorpal:


Then we can agree Hodor has achieved his own victory. No need blaming Bran

Of course Hodor served his purposes well. This does not mean Bran was not the cause of his mental instability and eventual death.

kay9:


Time loops always make a messy storyline... and rarely looks as cool in a book. I suspect this "Hold the door" theme will play out differently in the book, which would imply this was just a one off by D & D (classic though it was, textbook perfect in fact!). In summary, I don't expect any more of it cos D & D aren't playing too far off from the source material - and the SOURCE of the source material (GRRM) doesn't do cliches.

GRRM planned it this way, so I expect the Hold the Door thing to be exactly that way in the books.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/05/23/how-george-rr-martin-had-game-of-thrones-hold-the-door-moment-pl/

In fact, it's an idea that can definitely be traced at least three years back. Blogger Michael A Ventrella (who’s also an author) accidentally guessed Hodor’s origins back in 2013, when he had a chat with Martin in a lift at a convention. The conversation was largely a joke, as the pair had kept meeting in the same lift and Martin had made a throwaway comment about once wanting to be an elevator operator.

Then, according to Ventrella, they had this interaction:

Ventrella: I finally figured out why you have a character named “Hodor.”

Martin: Oh?

Ventrella: I was thinking about your comment about wanting to be an elevator operator. It’s clear to me now that “Hodor” is short for “Hold the door”.

Martin: (laughing) You don’t know how close to the truth you are!

So Bran, one of the few innocent Game of Thrones characters, was actually responsible for the psychological breakdown and death of his beloved friend – and George RR Martin had it planned it all along.

For the first time ever, the showrunners of HBO’s Game of Thrones are “apologizing” for an episode.

Emmy-winning writer-producers David Benioff and Dan Weiss sent a video statement into ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live on Tuesday night to express their sincere regret over the impact of Sunday’s hour, “The Door,” which concluded with the shocking death of the lovable Hodor (Krisitan Nairn).

Did anybody read meanings into sansa's words in dis last episode because Sansa told Littlefinger that Ramsay tortured her however he liked as long as she could still give him an heir. She adds, “I can still feel what he did in my body, standing here right now.” and she also makes herself new clothing and she even had problems with the Night’s Watch’s food....i hope she isn't pregnant with Ramsay's child oh.....

maputohq:

what's d difference between a white walker and a wight?

Wights are dead bodies reanimated by white walkers to populate their army. White walkers were created originally by cotf, but from previous episode it seems they are able to create more of themselves from baby boys (Craster's keep).

Did anyone notice that for the first time in history on Game of thrones, we were gifted the sight of a pen*s. I guess the producers decided to do a one off after the complains of theme showing only female part. Over to you ladies...

siempere:
Did anybody read meanings into sansa's words in dis last episode because Sansa told Littlefinger that Ramsay tortured her however he liked as long as she could still give him an heir. She adds, “I can still feel what he did in my body, standing here right now.” and she also makes herself new clothing and she even had problems with the Night’s Watch’s food....i hope she isn't pregnant with Ramsay's child oh.....

You're so on point. No be small tinz. Ramsay 2.0 possibly loading inside Sansa.

Nihilist:

They are vulnerable to fire related items.
Valyrian steel and obsidian are both formed under extreme heat.

swords r formed under extreme heat
its d properties of d metal not necessarily d heat Abi d heat remain?

Kaycee7:
You're so on point. No be small tinz. Ramsay 2.0 possibly loading inside Sansa.

Fingers crossed bro...make we dey look dem nah...

Nihilist:

They are vulnerable to fire related items.
Valyrian steel and obsidian are both formed under extreme heat.

swords r formed under extreme heat
its d properties of d metal not necessarily d heat Abi d heat remain?

gj22:


There's no way she hasn't heard.

it's very very possible she hasn't No talk of Dragons in d north talk less of d Wall

My surprise is she hasn't seen it in d flames

kay9:


I'd forgotten about the Young Wolf's proposal through Theon; if only Balon had listened... But the Ironborn will always be Ironborn - stubborn to the point of stupidity, prefering to reave and plunder rather than ally and win.

the way a man chooses to live his life shouldn't b termed stupidity, yu can call it perception, principle or way of life ... if dey won yu won't term it stupid Nonetheless I suggest yu read d book d Iron born r still very much in d game
Ujs*..*

oyetpel:
Men's laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colors since i cannot prove that you are not mine. Tywin Lannister to Tyrion in GoT S3E1.

Ujs no vex in advance
*...*
Tyrion is more like Tywin than any other of his children I told him to his face n he didn't speak to me for a year ... Tyrion's aunt to d Kingdlayer (her nephew)