All those pastors that demand things from women they cannot do them selves.
In the days of old women were suffering in silence.
Everheard of the womens liberation.?
But they fought for their freedom. and are still doing so.
I am a woman my blood is warm i am not a zombie.

ThiefofHearts,
You asked for it and you'll get it. First I said as a Christian you cant talk about marriage without mentioning Christ, Bible etc. That's because I am a Christian and I stated specifically AS A CHRISTIAN. I did not say as an athiest or some other things. Don't come here insulting people all because you don't have anything reasonable to say. Shows the kind of person you are. You cannot carry a simple conversation without making silly comments. I don't know if it's your arrogance or pride or illetracy that is getting the most of you and what does JJC have to do with this? JJC in life or in the Forum?

layifioren:

ThiefofHearts,
You asked for it and you'll get it.

Turn the other cheek

layifioren:

@ Seun
Nobody says you should believe in the Bible, it's your choice but if you believe in it and don't do what it says then you are a hypocrite. What are you wondering about?

judge not and you will not be judge.


Did you just call yourself a Christan?
Am not impressed.
Some christans like to lay out the bible to suit them.

Mamaput

and wetin be "illetracy" lol

If a man and a Christian for that matter calls you one then it most be true.
Then he is a man and a Christian.
You , you are only a woman so submitt your self

Errmm, mamaput, that does not sound like 'judging' to me.

ThiefOfHearts:

Are you not the same gnat that complained about stereotyping?

Layifioren is totally right about you.  Can't you just pass a comment without even an iota of insult in it?  On every single thread you post, you must insult at least one person.  Na wa for you o!  Besides, you can't tell me that statement is not right about all women.  All women want their men to be "man enough", and the only major way that is determined is how loaded he is.  I am pretty sure you can not go out with, talkess of marry a man who is not "up to your standard" or higher.

I am not stereotyping.  That is a FACT!

goodguy:

Layifioren is totally right about you.  Can't you just pass a comment without an iota of insult in it?  On every single thread you post, you must insult at least one person. Na wa for you o!  Besides, you can't tell me that statement is not right about all women.  All women want their men to be "man enough", and the only major way that is determined is how loaded he is.  I am pretty sure you can not go out with, talkess of marry a man who is not "up to your standard" or higher.

Rofl, is your friend's comment supposed to mean anything to me? Lol I was called an illiterate by someone who can't even spell the word. Hahahaha the irony 

BTW there's a difference between being up to standard and depending on a person entirely for their money. There's a HUGE difference between a girl deciding to date guys who have a JOB like she does and someone who just picks men based on how much they can shower her.
So please comot yourself with your dumb generalization. Rationalize it all you want but your comment is no better than michelin's so don't bother me

and if my comments are too "mean" and bother you so much, you could always ignore me 

i do not know much about this submission thing.
but i have a question to ask.
is this why women are so afraid of their male counterpart?
and are afraid of their dad.

ThiefOfHearts:

BTW there's a difference between being up to standard and depending on a person entirely for their money. There's a HUGE difference between a girl deciding to date guys who have a JOB like she does and someone who just picks men based on how much they can shower her.

You're only confirming what I said earlier.  If you were not so quick to attack goodguy's post, you'd have seen where he was coming from.

I did not imply in anyway that women depend totally on men for money.  What I mean is, every woman believes and expects that the man should always do more of the spending, and that they will only support where/when necessary.

ThiefOfHearts:

So please comot yourself with your dumb generalization. Rationalize it all you want but your comment is no better than michelin's so don't bother me

Na real 'wah' for you! O really ga lara e gan. I don't blame you at all. It's in your blood.

ThiefOfHearts:

and if my comments are too "mean" and bother you so much, you could always ignore me 

Actually, it should be this:  If you know you cannot but insult people for posting their opinions, why don't you just refrain from responding to them?

But Good guy you too are generalizing.
We have a lot of house men today.
And there are also many cases were the woman has more money than the man.

ThiefOfHearts:

Mamaput

and wetin be "illetracy" lol

@ThiefofHearts,
Does a typo amaze you?

@ Mamaput,
Judging; saying a Christian that does not follow the Bible is a hypocrite? By the way, you still haven't answered the question. In case you missed it, are you married? I'm not and I'll just like you to share some of your personnal experiences on this topic if you are married. They say knowledge is power.

mamaput:

But Good guy you too are generalizing.
We have a lot of house men today.
And there are also many cases were the woman has more money than the man.

Okay mamaput, I accept I was generalising. And thanks for enlightening me. But I believe those women are not totally comfortable with that idea themselves. Somehow, somewhere, they feel odd -- even if they don't let it out, deep down inside them, only them know what's going on.

Now, this is what I call a civil response. Even though she disagrees, she didn't insult me. ToH, learn from mamaput!

I was married for 10 years.Then I filed for divorce.
Any decision taken was taken together sometimes we make compromises.
But any right my husband alloted to himself, i had the same right.
We Trusted each other thats the basic for a relationship.Trust.
The Trust that  he has my intrest at heart and i his.
He needed time out to chill. so he will go out on his own.
I needed time out tochill so i will go out on my own. DISCO included.
I make no demands he made non too.
Well i did make some When it came to family matters because he sometimes got carried away and forgot he had kids.

Thanks Mamaput

goodguy:

You're only confirming what I said earlier. If you were not so quick to attack goodguy's post, you'd have seen where he was coming from.

I did not imply in anyway that women depend totally on men for money. What I mean is, every woman believes and expects that the man should always do more of the spending, and that they will only support where/when necessary.

I will still attack this post cos you are still saying the same thing Im against but Im not in the mood anymore to make you see my point so im gonna let it slide

as for your last comment, I will respond to whomever I feel like responding to. If they are quick to be offended by my responses then they should stay away from me and my posts and quit complaining constantly like it's gonna chnage anything cos it's not

mamaput:

Well i did make some When it came to family matters because he sometimes got carried away and forgot he had kids.

Hmm that sucks.

and i wonder why goodguy now believes he was generalizing.

Well@ Good guy you have a point.
We tried that too . I was working at the airport good money horrible hours.
from 4 am to 13 00.
At 3 am  you have the road to yourself and lots of time to think.
Snowstorm or beautiful sunraise, i asked myself often enough "What the hell am i doing on the road at this time of the day i want to be home in bed waking up with my kids.

ThiefOfHearts:

I will still attack this post

Madam, you've been attacking the poster, not the post.

ThiefOfHearts:

because you are still saying the same thing I'm against but I'm not in the mood anymore to make you see my point so im going to let it slide

You know I am saying the truth.  Don't worry, you have have to admit it openly, okay?

ThiefOfHearts:

as for your last comment, I will respond to whomever I feel like responding to.

Respond to whomever you feel like responding to -- I have no problems with that at all.  But when your rejoinders begin to have elements of insults in them, then something needs to be done about that.

ThiefOfHearts:

If they are quick to be offended by my responses then they should stay away from me and my posts and quit complaining constantly like it's going to chnage anything because it's not

Don't be stiff-necked.  Change! Change Toyin!  Change!!  This attitude of yours will get you no where, I dey tell you.  When your responses are so full of insults, or contain a bit of it, how do expect people not to take offence in it?  How will you feel if I constantly use all the synonyms of "mad" to refer to you simply because I do not agree with you?  Think again girl, because THAT is what YOU do 98% of the time.

mamaput, you see? Thanks for being honest anyway.

Well if i were a politician i will not be asking myself anything.
Thats on a regular job

Yea you are so right that's why you apologized to Mamaput. *rolls eyes*

goodguy:

Change!

Make me.

anyway since the topic is obvious not being discussed. I'll be on my merry way

The Bible did ask women to submit and the same Bible asked men to honour their wives. If you check the definition of honour in a good dictionary, you'll see that it means "higher form of respect". Invariably God is asking for mutual submission and respect. In my opinion that works. Respect begets respect; if you treat me well, I'll be a fool not to reciprocate.

But if we want to go it the way of the world we can simply conclude that if men are heads, women are necks, they may choose to take the head on a roller coster, nut cracking ride!

ThiefOfHearts:

and i wonder why goodguy now believes he was generalizing.

I still don't believe I was generalising.  I only 'accepted' for the sake of argument.

Don't be stiff-necked.  Change! Change Toyin!  Change!!   This attitude of yours will get you no where, I dey tell you.  When your responses are so full of insults, or contain a bit of it, how do expect people not to take offence in it?  How will you feel if I constantly use all the synonyms of "mad" to refer to you simply because I do not agree with you?  Think again girl, because THAT is what YOU do 98% of the time.

Excellent piece of advice,many have pointed that out in several threads.
An attitude like this will reflect every where,workplace,amongst friends and will repel people from you.
It takes less effort to be nice and cordial especially when there's absolutely no need for nastiness.

Mark this somewhere,life would be a miserable one if the change does not occur.

Well if i had been a no say submissive wife.Maybe my kids would have been soaking Garri and going to school in rags.
Because my Husband liked to go blindly into stupidBusiness ventures.
And even if someone had a shield carring 419 he would not have seen it.
The first time it cost us over 21 ,000 because he would not listen. And i did not really put my foot down.
The second time it cost us nothing because i really put my foot down and hard.

Bring out a good husband in my man??
do not make me laugh.

To do that then i will have had to be the one that raised him not his mother.
The reason that marrages do not work out is because Women today have a choice, they are no more slaves in their husbands houses suffering in silence.
i hope you let me know what you mean by 'MISSINDEPENDENCE''.
I was frer born in my fathers house.My father told me he raised me and made me what i am . any man i get married to got me ready made he dose not own me.

quit derailing the thread with patronizing comments, babyosisi. who's the one that started the mudslinging in mukina's recent thread?

anyway I'm fine, E. Just restless and can't find anything entertaining. just the same old boring arguments

I would say "arsenal and who" but I don't want to completely remove this thread off its course. lol 

lma hehehe do not do that lol . When i am bored i come here and i am guaranteed excitement ----------NOT

so girl what say you regarding this matter? To submit or not to submit?

define submit

To "submit" is to believe you have to do whatever your husband tells you to do even when you disagree with it.

To "submit" is to treat your husband as a superior: kneeling down, saying "yes sir" when he barks out an order, etc.