That is why we are saying that let test skill instead of paper qualification. skill will prove us out not certificate engineering

Hnd-holder:

That is why so are saying that let test skill intead of paper qualification. skill will prove us out not certificate engineering

Bros, NSE members will not agree o! because they know that many of them will fail the skills test.

What will make them not to agree? After killing Engineering in Nigeria? Technology will wake up to take care of what engineering left. All depend on Government

TURNING POLYTECHNICS INTO VARSITIES
www.tribune.com.ng
THE reform in the education sector appears to be taking a dangerous and worrying dimension. The Federal Government has announced the scrapping of Higher National Diploma programmes across the country. The announcement signalled the demise of polytechnics and colleges of technology in the country.
ACCORDING to the chairman, Presidential Technical Committee on Consolidation of Tertiary Institutions, Professor Mahmud Yakubu, polytechnics and colleges of technology would be transformed into universities. Professor Yakubu said the scrapping was to permanently resolve the alleged discrimination against polytechnic in favour of university graduates. Professor Yakubu said the scrapping would, in the first instance, apply to federal polytechnics with state polytechnics following suit.
PROFESSOR Yakubu was quoted as saying that the conversion of the federal polytechnics into universities would be concluded in a matter of months, that all academic staff of the affected polytechnics would be absorbed and retrained for them to meet and cope with the challenges occasioned by the conversion.
LAST year, the Federal Government had upgraded the Yaba College of Technology, Lagos, and the Kaduna Polytechnic, Kaduna, into city universities. Professor Yakubu was at the Yaba College of Technology on a fact-finding mission as part of the preparations for the transformation of the school into a university when he announced the scrapping of the HND programmes.
POLYTECHNIC and colleges of technology were established to produce technically oriented experts who can fix technical problems in the industries. There are no complaints from any quarter that industries no longer need the services or expertise provided by these polytechnic graduates. On the other hand, universities, the world over, are to teach, research and expand frontiers of knowledge for the development and progress of mankind. Its academic operations are grounded on solid theoretical base. It is through this that new ground is broken and scientific and technological breakthroughs are accomplished. In other words, universities and polytechnics, in the real sense, do not perform similar functions, rather their services and functions complement each other for the benefit of the society.
THE Federal Government had, over 30 years ago, addressed the discrimination against polytechnic graduates by putting them on the same salary entry point with their university compatriots. Many industries and private outfits have complied fully with this policy of government.
AND only last year, President Olusegun Obasanjo removed the ceiling placed on the advancement of polytechnic graduates in the civil service. By the president’s pronouncement, polytechnic graduates could rise to the same salary level and grade in the civil service as their university counterparts. Where then is the discrimination Professor Yakubu gave as the reason for the conversion of polytechnics into universities?
THE problems in the education sector are much more than that of discrimination against polytechnic graduates. The sector is greatly bedevilled by serious problems which are profound and fundamental.
FOR instance, over the years, no Nigerian university has measured up to world standards. This explains why none of the nation’s universities has ranked among the best 100 universities in the world in the last 10 years. This is a problem which should catch the attention of the authorities instead of dissipating energy on problems that have been largely resolved.
IN the last 20 years, almost all the universities have been subjected to embarrassing deterioration. Infrastructure needed for meaningful teaching , learning and research is grossly inadequate. While the Academic Staff Union of Universities (ASUU) has made several presentations to the government to address the numerous problems of the nation’s universities, particularly the problem of funding, successive administrations have failed to address these problems.
THE result of this is the production of half-baked graduates who cannot cope with or meet societal and industrial demands or expectations. This was even attested to by the immediate past executive secretary of the National Universities Commission, Professor Peter Okebukola, who described these graduates as nothing but “write-offs.” No verdict can be worse.
WHAT the education sector really requires are well-focused and clear-headed managers, especially at the level of the Federal Ministry of Education, and not confusionists as the situation appears to be now. A clear-headed minister of education who really understands the demands of the ministry will know that the problem of tertiary education in the country is majorly that of funding.
WHAT the polytechnics and the universities in the country actually need is adequate funding for them to meet their infrastuctural needs so as to produce quality graduates who will in turn meet the demands of the nation’s industries and the society at large. This is the standard practice in better organised societies.
POLITICAL leaders in the country should be wary of some so-called high-fliers and experts who only pretend that they have solutions to some problems when, in fact, they have little or no understanding of the situation at hand. It is very dangerous for the country’s political leaders to be cheaply convinced by the proposals of these confused minds.
WE say with all emphasis that Nigeria cannot cope with the conversion of all the polytechnics into universities. The idea is not only disastrous but criminal as well and can only be the final onslaught on the education sector. President Obasanjo should not allow himself to be used to lay the foundation for such a disaster.

some of my cleverest friends have HND, they have gone ahead and made fantastic stride with their life, surparsing some of us with bachelors. It should not be a test of your aptitude.

However, because the curiculums are different, both were not made to compete with each other, but to compliment one another, while one is an engr, the other is a technician/technologist, one cannot exict without the other

In the UK where we copied from, the employment market is structured such that bot have their respective career path, for most entry level engr vacancy BSc is the requirment, HNDs with several yrs of technical experience can apply for engr positons (at higher levels)

What Nigerian companies dont make room for is growth from technician to engr, in the UK u can even start with o levels and study for various techincal quals and eventually become an engr.

More importantanly, dont allow any situation or stigma to limit you or your destinity. degrees dont determine how good you are or what God has deposited in your life

oludunamis:


What Nigerian companies don't make room for is growth from technician to engr, in the UK u can even start with o levels and study for various technical quals and eventually become an engr.

Just look at the HND holders as somebody, give some values to the the holders then no body will feel BAD again. LEPERS are better than HND certificate owners in Nigeria. Going to Polytechnic was a direct sentence in Nigeria

@Hnd-holder
I don't understand why government themselves do not believe in HND graduates; is it that the HND curriculum and syllabus is not as rich as that of the Bsc?? Because i for one know that polytechnics do more courses than the universities especially in Accountancy, Business Admin and Statistics, just to name a few.

They want slaves that will not ask quetions, who will be ready to take orders from their children and wives. HND holders are the non well to do.

@Hnd-holder

polytechnic curriculum and syllabus is wider, rich and more technical than that of the university. Some of the things poly students do in their 300 & 400 Levels can only be found in the syllabus of PGD and Masters in the university; but yet government and people of Nigeria still look down at the HND certificate. All these must stop in this Umaru's regime. Umaru ka ji ko??

I have played my own part. But my children will never ever attend such schools with comas

@Hnd-holder

You are correct. Our children will not attend such schools (poly) again. infact they will not attend public universities that are always on strike; they will attend private universities.

Poly  in Nigeria, I pray non will remain again.

Hnd-holder:

Poly in Nigeria, I pray non will remain again.

Amen oo. Make everybody go university.

Let us see what GOODLUCK YAR ADUA will bring. What is the english meaning of ya adua? Is it prayers? I am sure he is praying for Technological Education in Nigeria.
His tenure as a former lecturer should put an end to all these Discrimination Between B.Sc & HND.

Hnd-holder:

Let us see what GOODLUCK YAR ADUA will bring. What is the english meaning of ya adua? Is it prayers? I am sure he is praying for Technological Education in Nigeria.
His tenure as a former lecturer should put an end to all these Discrimination Between B.Sc & HND.

you are very funny. i don't know the meaning of Yar'adua, but i pray the guy will give attention and priority to technological education.

Yeha you are right to what you are saying we are hoping the prayer you said is the meaning of his name will work out ooooooooooooooo. dont forget OBJ the meaning of his name too, God Bless Nigeria

Yar'adua, was born in Katsina town, Katsina State in 1951
Rafukka Primary School, Katsina in 1958
Dutsinma Boarding Primary 1964.


Government College, Keffi, 1969
Barewa College, Zaria Higher School Certificate 1971.


Ahmadu Bello University (ABU), Zaria, 1975 B.Sc in Education/Chemistry.

Masters Degree in Analytical Chemistry in 1980.

(NYSC) Holy Child College, Lagos, 1976.
A lecturer Katsina College of Arts, Science and Technology, Zaria in 1976.

Katsina Polytechnic, also as a lecturer 1979- 1983

The former president OBJ is an HND HOLDER

Yar'adua na ASUP member o

Do you think Yar'adua will say anything now? He looks like someone who does nt have time for the educational sector now.

He is a reserved person, But must obey party rules the PDP, OBJ is the Leader. So OBJ is an HND holder.

@Hnd-holder

Sad news. Nigeria Immigation Service employed Bsc holders as Asst. Sup while HND holders were taken as Inspectors. This discrimination is still in the civil service, and you people were sayin OBJ has removed it. na wa ooo. My friend with HND just told me some minutes ago that he just finished their basic training.

It depends on the job and qualification requested. How about the pay grade? You know people will take anything now. We can not say anything until we have the white paper. They will still be converted. Even Yaba Tech is still a Polytechnic.

Hnd-holder:

It depends on the job and qualification requested. How about the pay grade? You know people will take anything now. We can not say anything until we have the white paper. They will still be converted. Even Yaba Tech is still a Polytechnic.

Bros, i mean what i'm saying. The guy that told me has HND in computer science (Upper Credit). He was 2 years my junior in the polytechnic. He said Bsc holders were given 1 star (Asst. Sup.) while HND holders were given Inspector. Infact i just remembered that one of my younger sisters with a Bsc attended the screening in PH, she told me that HND holders were recruited as (Cadet inspectors) while Bsc holders were taken as (Cadet Asst. Sup). It's not an issue of HND holder looking for a job that was advertised for ND holders. Find out you will get to believe me. It's very sad honestly. Even Army, Navy and Air force take HND holders and Bsc holders as officers cadet in their short service program, i wonder what is wrong with a para-military organisation like immigration.

It is the same idea in evry sector, Teaching and Non Teaching staff,
Factory and support staff it is every where in the Globe. HND is a senior ND, HND is not in service details.

FG suspends scrapping of HND programme
By Jude Owuamanam, Jos
Published: Tuesday, 12 Jun 2007

http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art20070612451185
The Federal Government has suspended the scrapping of higher national diploma programme in Nigerian polytechnics.

The National Publicity Secretary of the Academic Staff Union of Universities, Mr. Victor Dawurung, told our correspondent in Jos on Monday that the decision to suspend the cancellation of the programme was received by the union from the Federal Ministry of Education last week.

He said the decision was conveyed to the National Board for Technical Education through a letter with reference number DHE/POLY/53/CI/V.II/266 and signed by the acting Director, Tertiary Education, Dr. Jamila Shu‘ara, on behalf of the former Minister of Education, Dr. Sayyadi Abba Ruma.

Dawurung said the Federal Government had stated in the letter that the decision to suspend the action was due to the proposed consolidation of federal polytechnics and the colleges of education.

He said the former minister had explained that the decision to scrap the HND programme was wrongly taken because the consolidation required the enactment of an enabling law through the National Assembly.

The ASUU secretary, therefore, advised all stakeholders to await the completion of all legislative process.

Dawurung said the union had decided to reopen negotiations with the Federal Government on the September 2001 agreement, which was suspended as a result of the union‘s objection to the scrapping of the programme.

He said the renegotiation of the agreement was scheduled for June 18 to 21.

Dawurung said that the meeting would address the disparity between polytechnics and universities, funding and running of degree programmes by the polytechnics.

He added that other issues in the 2001 agreement including the setting up of the National Polytechnics Commission, enhanced salary for chief lecturers and retirement age for polytechnic teachers would be discussed.

Dawurung said the union also intended to reach a new agreement on the new consolidated tertiary institution salary structure.

The former agreement was rejected because it lumped together academic and non-academic staff.

While commending the Federal Government for bringing sanity to polytechnics, Dawurung said by the decision, the admission of prospective students into the HND programme in polytechnics would continue.

@ishmael
The former agreement was rejected because it lumped together academic and non-academic staff.

@Hnd-holder

what about YabaTech and Kadpoly?? Are they going to still convert them to universties?? or are they going to remain as polytechnics?

ASUP lauds decision to scrap HND
From Isa Abdulsalami, Jos
The Academic Staff Union of Polytechnics (ASUP) has expressed joy over the suspension by government of the proposed scrapping of the Higher National Diploma (HND) programme, following plans to consolidate federal politechnics and colleges of education.

ASUP's National Publicity Secretary, Victor Dawurung, said the scrapping was facilitated by the former Minister of Education Dr. Sayyadi Abba Ruma.

According to Dawurung, the former miniser had reasoned that in line with due process, the proposed consolidation required the enactment of an enabling law through the National Assembly, and therefore advised all stakeholders to await the completion of that legislative process.

until otherwise directed, adding that the programmes remained legal for now.

Meanwhile, the Federal Government has fixed June 18 to 21 to continue the re-negotiation of the "FG/ASUP" agreement of September 2001, which was discontinued as a result of the withdrawal of the union because of the proposed scrapping of the HND programmes.

100 employees of YABATECH may be rendered homeless
By Rotimi Lawrence Oyekanmi
TO the academic members of staff of Yaba College of Technology (YABATECH), recently given university status by the federal government, the allegation couldn't possibly be true.
In a swift reaction, The YABATECH chapter of the Academic Staff Union of Polytechnics (ASUP) put up a counter advert in the same newspaper the next day, warning members of the public not to bid for YABATECH quarters because "they are not for sale."
Those quarters have been given to YABATECH as far back as 1971. There is a decree, Decree No 23 backing this up. All our efforts to meet with the implementation committee to explain the situation have been blocked."
"But, definitely, it couldn't have been the intention of the Federal Government under (former) President (Olusegun) Obasanjo to sell the residential quarters of the first institution in Nigeria, now transforming to the City University of Technology, Yaba. I believe there is still some misunderstanding, and we are making every effort.
"And it will become more difficult to attract qualified high calibre people, particularly in a place like Lagos. The academic premises sit on 16.5 hectares, which is a far cry from the minimum standards of the land area required by the National Universities Commission (NUC). And when you excise the residential part, and this part has some important supporting facilities already, it has a primary school, a secondary school, it has a sewage treatment plant, it has a demonstration facility for our Hotel and Catering students."

All decision still remain waiting for due process.

@Hnd-holder

you've not answered my question.

what about YabaTech and Kadpoly?? Are they going to still convert them to universties?? or are they going to remain as polytechnics?

@iSHMAEL

LONG TIME

YABATECH IS ALREADY A UNIVERSITY . .CITY UNIVERSITY OR SO

@kitaun

My guy longest time. Where you go hide? i no dey see u online again. But HND-holder say FG don reverse the decision on scrapping of HND programs and polytechnics, dats why i'm asking him if YabaTech and Kadpoly will still remain as polytechnics or will go ahead to take university status?

@iSHMAEL

Been around and about,

If any school would have its status reversed it wont be Yabatech nor Kadpoly

what the FG said was that sale of forms should be suspended, but feelers have it that Polys have been directed to resume sale of forms once again . .cheers