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Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by PAPAAFRICA: 3:39pm On Nov 11, 2013 |
Lol |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 7:06pm On Nov 11, 2013 |
Howmanage: I get scared whenever i see these type of assertions that are not based on fact. Scared that it will end up in some western newspaper trying to make their readers laugh. Igbos are really Jews, Yorubas are really Egyptians, please you people should try na. Nigerians are already known as 419 capital, we don't need to add Laughing Stock of the World too... How embarassing that some dont have any self belief/esteem always got to try and tag themselves to other nations who won't touch you with a stickSo good you list everything you are not proud of here. What are you proud of as a Nigerian? There are whites that earnestly wish they were blacks from Nigeria. Don't let stupid fear of what white people will say kill your discovery, your future can be better-off if you have sound idea in this world regardless of where you are from. Suzan Wenger, Ulli Baier were whites. The world (white/black) will be willing to help you succeed if you can proof your mettles, that's it. Thanks. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by PeterKbaba: 5:08am On Nov 16, 2013 |
ladionline: eshe |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by mandarin: 2:09pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Egbe i.e. re - do also mean life or divison in Ekiti like Egbe Oba |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by mandarin: 4:21pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
tpia@: it exist in Ekiti. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by OJODEL10(m): 6:58pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
PLEASE IT WILL BE GOOD TO ALSO LOOK INTO OTHER YORUBA TRIBES SUCH AS EKITI; FOR EXAMPLE ABBA MEANS FATHER BOTH IN HEBREW AND EKITI-YORUBA A TRIBE |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by mandarin: 11:21am On Nov 19, 2013 |
I think using OYO Yoruba as the basis for history itself limits our scope. Having read all these posts, ,I found out that Eastern parts of Yoruba may be the eye opener because the ancient Ife kingdom may have lots in connection with those places more so many of those Hebrew or kemet words I have read before are much closer to their dialects than the Oyo - Yoruba. Of importance to ur scholarstic knowlege are these ancient Kingdoms: 1. The Ooyelagbo or Agboniregun era 2. The Obatala , Oduduwa, Orisha ,Olokun,Oluweri etc era 3. The Ogun, Oranyan era 4. The ancient Ijebu kingdom The ancient Ugbo Kingdom 5. The Ekiti euology that says omo owa(the child of owa), omo ekun(son of warrior)(see Sasha rap song).The question is who was that Owa?this is also the popular title of many Ekiti town 6. Adimula of Ife. was that the real name of King Oduduwa? if true that can make Oduduwa a title 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by 740megawatts: 12:20pm On Nov 19, 2013 |
mandarin: I think using OYO Yoruba as the basis for history itself limits our scope. Having read all these posts, ,I found out that Eastern parts of Yoruba may be the eye opener because the ancient Ife kingdom may have lots in connection with those places more so many of those Hebrew or kemet words I have read before are much closer to their dialects than the Oyo - Yoruba. I get your point here. I just thought about this too....many words from Eastern Yoruba axis that begins with 'U' were transcribed to 'I' in the Western and Central Yoruba axes. For example, Ule/Ile, Ufe/Ife, Ubo/Ibo e.t.c. Could it be that the Yoruba at the Eastern Axis retained the original essence of Yoruba language? Were these people the most ancient? Did the earliest Yoruba ancestors spread out from this axis into Ife and Oyo? These questions require indepth studies because it appears not much was documented on the Eastern Yoruba peoples in research. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by MetaPhysical: 7:35am On Nov 20, 2013 |
740megawatts: What we need is a baseline. What is your minimum claims for these truths? We would like to explore the minimums and build upon them as additional truths are revealed. If they cannot sustain then they are invalidated. What Eastern Yoruba oral histories would you like us to look at? Start from the beaded crownhead. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by mandarin: 4:37pm On Nov 20, 2013 |
MetaPhysical: People from that side should kindly furnish us with some eulogy/oriki of towns and palacesbut I know the Ekiti are generally omo owa omo ekun( and I know a family that is...omo olodo ide lapo okun eyeeyo, omo ogede abula, omo adijo sannu....translations? don't know if am right but will be something like.... child of the seeker, child of warrior ...am lost, sorry) |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by twosquare(m): 8:37pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
“Olodumare“----“eni to ni odu ti n re“ (He who have the unending oracle.. that which you can't find out) 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by TerraCotta(m): 9:09pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
740megawatts: In short, yes. Most Yoruba linguists would agree that central and eastern Yoruba is an older variant than the innovating "western" Yoruba of Oyo. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 11:46pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
TerraCotta:Correct. I use to thing some languages are closer to the original language that Yoruba had long adumberate. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by twosquare(m): 8:21am On Nov 22, 2013 |
MetaPhysical: Allright, so we keep moving on.“Owuro"---morning “owu"---cotton “o ro“---soft Meaning that which cushions the day.. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 10:04am On Nov 22, 2013 |
mandarin:More like it, igbesi, as in igbe-si-aye also has the tact word gbe- lives or lift. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by mandarin: 12:16pm On Dec 06, 2013 |
'Nobody' I've been trying to connect you but seems to be a problem here. I found something on "Arts in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba" (Suzanne Preston Blier)and found a whole lot as interesting. My interests are: 1. The pre- Oduduwa times of Obatala(possibly the title of the Kingship thrones of the time) 2.Agboniregun - May be the name of the progenitor of the ancient land owners of which Obatala was the King or the royal house. 3. Obatala & oduduwa story like Esau and Jacob also looked like the taking over of headship position in forming a kingdom which may be after the reign and passage of Oduduwa passed again to Obatala lineage may be through civil strife and later the coming of Oranmiyan and was may be faced stiffed opposition after he was returning from may be battle of throne in Bini and founded the Oyo dynasty(just trying to link all these fragments) I think the Ife Kingdom has to do with the Eastern half of Yoruba land of present northern fring of Ogun east ,Osun, Ekiti, Ondo and parts of Edo Delta and Kogi going by names mentioned which include the Igala areas. In Yoruba mythologies, places located within these axis were mentioned including migration patterns and orders of the Irunmoles Places west of Yoruba land which formed the larger parts of the Oyo empire were in the latter parts of the Yoruba history while i think the eastern parts were more ancient. I also think the Orisa and Oduduwa story may have to do with how Oduduwa overtook the era of the Orisha people or the Irunmole's through the palm wine drunken tales? Now here is the weird thought : I think Oduduwa was a concept of an era of merger of ideas, religion and groups and Oduduwa personae must have been the leader of the era just like the Obatala must have been the pre Oduduwa leader or ruler. Going by these names of Yemoja, Oluweri(seafearer?),Olokun showed that Yoruba may have had some sea fearing groups. The final thought is, have we ever sat down to think about an ancient empire extending through the Sahara to Egypt as part of the old Kemet empire? Please enlighten me |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 1:00pm On Dec 06, 2013 |
Well with all sense of humility, I can do what 'nobody' can do. While there is limit to what I will want to share right now, when i'm back in the evening, I will upload vital info on belltwelf OBATALA KING OF IGBO thread. I have it in my offline folda. I will simplify some of the puzzles, God willing to the best of my knowledge. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 1:25pm On Dec 06, 2013 |
As for Orunmila*, this is what I have learn from Peter Fatomilola: " Ifa's great icons and their memorial titles: Odu is Odu eleyinju ege Orunmila is Orunmila baba Agbonmiregun, Olokun is Ifa Olokun Asorodayo (omo inajoko majerun) Agbonmiregun is ...Ewi nle Ado, Okikin tii meyin erin-ifon. Edited. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by mandarin: 3:04pm On Dec 06, 2013 |
ladionline: As for Orunmila, this is what I have learn from Peter Fatomilola: "Orunmilala baba agbonmiregun, omo inajoko majerun" This simply means orunmila ... son of the fire that burn bush without consumation" Does that sound familiar? If you can supply the info now it will be to my pleasures. Orunmila- what is the meaning? He is the father or founder of Agbonmiregun, now what is Agbonmiregun? I know 'Ogbon' could means district or section in some dialects? Could Orunmila also be the Ela? I need more info please |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by mandarin: 3:07pm On Dec 06, 2013 |
ladionline: As for Orunmila, this is what I have learn from Peter Fatomilola: "Orunmilala baba agbonmiregun, omo inajoko majerun" This simply means orunmila ... son of the fire that burn bush without consumation" Does that sound familiar? This is about Moses in the Bible. could he be the son of God who was in the fire or Moses who saw the incidence? I think Yoruba have a way of ascribing powerful energy comparison to their leaders e.g. omo ekun did not mean the person was a child of tiger but in comparison to the force of tiger. What's your take? |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 4:04pm On Dec 06, 2013 |
mandarin:Well this exactly how fatomilola put it: ifa olokun asorodayo, eleri-ipin,... omo inajoko majerun. The witness of that event is Olokun, hence the name Olokungbajo, meaning "Olokun saved his contemporary" Now the people of ipetu-ijesha would say: awa la njudi nigba Olokun, awa lonje abori jagajigi. Awa londani ti ale eni nkoni, elegbe wa maitu o, aya gbogbo nso kule-kule. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 4:05pm On Dec 06, 2013 |
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Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by mandarin: 5:48pm On Dec 06, 2013 |
ladionline: Well this exactly how fatomilola put it: ifa olokun asorodayo, eleri-ipin,... omo inajoko majerun. The witness of that event is Olokun, hence the name Olokungbajo, meaning "Olokun saved his contemporary" Now the people of ipetu-ijesha would say: awa la njudi nigba Olokun, awa lonje abori jagajigi. Awa londani ti ale eni nkoni, elegbe wa maitu o, aya gbogbo nso kule-kule. You are so deep but translation will help me. Ifa olokun - corpus of the ocean diver or farer the witness of fate i guess! warrior eulogy of the Ipetu Ijesa love that! So what about Agboniregun and could Agboniregun be the aborigine of the Yoruba country who was the originator of Ifa while from your assertion, olokun could be Moses because he was carried from the sea! Am kind of confused, more info pls |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 7:28pm On Dec 06, 2013 |
mandarin:Well thanks, the eulogy of Olokun is from the work of Mr. Ogunjulugbe, in the history of ipetu-ijesha. The Yoruba of old, the founding fathers were literates, but a time of decadence followed after the epoch of the ancestors. Meanwhile the indiginous scholars convert their written material to oral. They honor their hero Moses with the name of their sacred record, Ifa (drawn) Olokun (submerge or divide the sea), Asorodayo (who brought the word to rejoice with). The Yoruba migrated at the epoch of Orunmila, who a contemporary of Oduduwa. Now, Oduduwa was literate in Ifa. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 10:21am On Dec 07, 2013 |
Ifa has her own reformers after Olokun. Wait, Olokun is said to be 'eleri-ipin'. This means 'one who witness the division'. What division is that? If we understood Oluweri to mean the 'Lord of the sea', we wont have problem with '-eri' being sea (or river). Eleri-ipin may be another cryptic verbal picture for (Olokun)-ipin, that is 'eleri' is feedback from 'Olokun', and that both words mean the same thing. Ipin in this colocation is different from it regular usage, to mean lot or fate. Here it means 'division'. Right, eleri ipin is owner of sea-parting. This shows cognitive projection of a remote scholarstic tradition upholding its source to the third millenia. See also, Proverbs 616-19), 20-22. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by macof(m): 1:19pm On Dec 07, 2013 |
740megawatts: The myth of ekiti states that Orunmila left Ife and was the founder of Ekiti, he had 16 children before going back to heaven. That's why the patron Orisha of Ekiti is Orunmila. If we take a look, Orunmila lived on earth many years before Oduduwa. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by macof(m): 1:20pm On Dec 07, 2013 |
ladionline: Ifa has her own reformers after Olokun. Wait, Olokun is said to be 'eleri-ipin'. This means 'one who witness the division'. What division is that? If we understood Oluweri to mean the 'Lord of the sea', we wont have problem with '-eri' being sea (or river). Eleri-ipin may be another cryptic verbal picture for (Olokun)-ipin, that is 'eleri' is feedback from 'Olokun', and that both words mean the same thing. Ipin in this colocation is different from it regular usage, to mean lot or fate. Here it means 'division'. Right, eleri ipin is owner of sea-parting. This shows cognitive projection of a remote scholarstic tradition upholding its source to the third millenia. See also, Proverbs 616-19), 20-22. Epic fail. Orunmila is eleri-ipin and no one else |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by macof(m): 1:24pm On Dec 07, 2013 |
mandarin: Omg! Ladi's statement has nothing to do with Moses. I get how people's mind would be drown to Moses but it's just ridiculous to say Orunmila is Moses |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 6:16pm On Dec 07, 2013 |
In essence, Ifa is an attempt by the founding fathers of Yoruba to make compact the details of their oddysey through their quest for upland and rivers. They did have their recorder, the mouthpiece of the search party. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 10:13am On Dec 08, 2013 |
The mouthpiece of the search party in Yoruba is 'enu-owa', which is synonymous with eru-owa (Ijesha). Remember, Yoruba history is adapted to 'JOURNEY SYSTEM' The movements, i.e. 'irinkerindo' or igboke-gbodo. Ifa present this as 'owoh' (rovers) or 'owon-rin' (awon orin: meaning the emigrants). Ultimately, the precept of creation of 'Yoruba world' is recorded under the heading, 'IWORI-MEJI'. The main actors were OLODUMARE, (the Creator) ORUNMILA and, OKOKO-NIYELE. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by ladionline: 10:36am On Dec 09, 2013 |
mandarin: Orunmila means heaven-rumble-open or heaven opens Ela is given as Ela omo Oluorogbo. or Ela Omoloju-Olodumare. Another variant is Ela-Iwori. Ela is the child of Moremi, anyway. That makes Moremi identical with Oluorogbo in Yoruba tradition. Oluorogbo simply means Olu oro gbo: Eminent thinker of old. Thanks. |
Re: Yoruba Origin, History and Canaanland connection. by mandarin: 11:20am On Dec 09, 2013 |
ladionline: The mouthpiece of the search party in Yoruba is 'enu-owa', which is synonymous with eru-owa (Ijesha). Remember, Yoruba history is adapted to 'JOURNEY SYSTEM' The movements, i.e. 'irinkerindo' or igboke-gbodo. Ifa present this as 'owoh' (rovers) or 'owon-rin' (awon orin: meaning the emigrants). Ultimately, the precept of creation of 'Yoruba world' is recorded under the heading, 'IWORI-MEJI'. The main actors were OLODUMARE, (the Creator) ORUNMILA and, OKOKO-NIYELE. Kings in Ekiti are called Owa, i mean titles. Now this Orunmila, what can you say about him? what are the differences between Olokun, Yemoja, Oluweri and what about Obatala and who was Adimula of ancient Ife? From your story its looking like the story of Moses for Olokun who witnessed ina to n jo ti ko jerun! was he called olokun because he was found on the sea and he parted the sea? Please also expatiate on these three forces you mentioned |
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