tintingz: and you support fornication for little girls?

No, do you?

Maxymilliano:
Alh. Asari Dokubo in Muslim garb

A prominent Niger Delta Muslim, Alhaji Mujahid Abubakr Dokubo-Asari, has lashed out at critics of the moves by Nigeria’s Senate to approve under-age marriage.

Expressing his opinion on the issue this morning, Dokubo, who converted to Islam as an adult, insisted that it is the right of Muslims to marry or give out their daughters at any age they wish, adding that this is not the business of non-Muslims.

Said the Niger Delta Peoples Volunteer Force (NDPVF) leader through Facebook:
“People should learn to respect other people’s sensibilities… We Muslims have the right to marry when we want or give out our daughters at any age we want. It is not your business and the law must respect our right to do so.

Anything short of that is an infringement on our rights. We did not ask you to marry ladies of that age or give your daughters out in marriage at that age. Plzzzzzzzz respect our sensibilities.”

News Express reports that the Nigerian Senate has come under fire from outraged Nigerians and the international community after being convinced by Senator Ahmad Yarima to drop a constitutional amendment outlawing marriage to girls under 18. The former Zamfara State governor who once came under fire for marrying a girl believed to be aged 13 had argued that Islam recognises under-age marriage.

Issues pertaining to religion usually evoke strong reactions in Nigeria, a deeply religious nation that has Christianity and Islam as the dominant faiths.

Source:News Express

http://www.osundefender.org/%3Fp%3D111743

MARRY HER OUT AT A TENDER AGE AND AN UNENDING CIRCLE OF GIRL CHILD ILLITRACY AMONG MUSLIMS CONTINUES.

olamisegbe: well prophet also married a 9 year old girl 2...no crime in dt

Ok prophet did that during his time probably because he felt he could and nobody could stop him( it was during the dark ages;the time of man's history where every thing was dark) but does that make him right? And I sure bet your prophet never said that it was revealed to him to be a paedophile nor that every muslim should be so. When you mix culture with spiritual enlightenment what you get is slavery of the mental sort.

toluene12:

teenage premarital sex is a moral issue while early marriage is about social responsbility as a wife and her health to carry and nuture a child. The latter cannot be a panacea to the former.
The truth is this girls are married off without their consent and are left with little or no choice.
This girls may have start their monthly period but their body is still growing and thus is unprepared to carry a baby e.g their pelvis is too narrow to accomodate the passage of a child during delivery. Teenage pregnancy has a higher risk of premature delivery, stillbirth, difficult labour, obstructed labour and the dreaded VVF or RVF- passing urine or stool thru the vagina.
Most often, once they come down with VVF, they become social rejects and are sent away to VVF camps scattered all over major nothern cities, abandoned and forgotten by their husbands.
Even, if they are lucky to escape pregnancy related complication, they're still not immune. Sooner or latter, their husband will soon get tired of them and suerly will get rid of them(as these girls lack the mental capacity to engage in a matured relationship or communication with their husbands). Thus by age 20, most of them are victims of multiple divorces putting them at risk of cervical cancer(early marriage and multiple se.xual partners are risks).
Moerover, they are pulled out from school and their education terminated when they enter all these sham marriages. Thus they are deprived the opportunity to empower themselves and become somebody significant latter in life. These girls grow up to become social liabilities, they remain bound to poverty, and their only contribution to the community is continous breeding of almajiris and swelling the base of an overbloated poverty level in the country.
Finally, i know u're an intelligent and well educated muslim lady. Don't allow ur reasoning to be clouded by unfounded and biased sentiments. Poor judgment is a big disservice to humanity.
It's ur likes that can put an end to this nonsense called early marriage. They wont listen to us, because they consider us as outsiders but when u, an insider raise ur voice against this injustice, they will listen.
I admonish u to speak up for this less fortunate girls, they have a right to a fulfilled life just like u.
They should not be condemned to a life of fustration and poverty simply to satisfy the unusual apetite of a paedo.philic adult.
I'm so sure u wont suscribe to early marriage for ur teenage daughter even if she's misbehaving. U will rather adopt other disciplinary and orthodox methods to caution her.
The cycle of poverty can only be broken when u educate a girl child. Train a girl and u will build a nation.

U right my bro but they will not learn saying there profet told them to marry underage. There books is against women education, to say muhammed marry underage doesn't mean it's right

No wonder muslim population in Ghana is falling drastically, muslims parent won't allowed their ward to go to school owned by missonary largely,so muslim child is pursuing western has to covert n abscond to be spornsored by mission school same in ivory coast..it won't survive them(muslim) long..'a society without education is lyk a blind men with vision to lead them'

Wat a slap on womanhood! Y would a "so called" father ever imagine that his 14 yr old daughter should be married off 2a fool. Because i tink any mature man in his right senses would nt mak a 14 yr old girl his wife ARRANT NONSENSE!, Haba children dat should stil b in sch learning. For crying out dis girls re CHILDREN NOT ADULT. We know dat d pain of childbearing is not one u laugh while you re delivering, let alone children going through this. Mayb wen we starting having women who are grandmas at the age of 30, den you would b happy. THIS IS MADNESS! GIVE OUR FEMALE CHILDREN THE PEN NOT THE PENIS!!!

bgirl:
No, do you?

No

deols: How many of the people against this were not already sexually active at those ages?


Oh! It is a matter of whom they are having it with?

Madam Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have had enough with this crap.
You've been parading this bitchy, side talks and I've been quiet.
If you were sexually active as a child/teenager, better confess it or else keep quiet!
What's with the stu.pid talk of children on some s..ex spree? Were you on a se..x spree at 12, madam?
If you had a questionable background, kindly confess it!
The women from my own background minded their books, don't know about yours. The girl I knew who had a child outside wedlock was actually raped! No girl desires to be prostitute without a bloody predator in the background who has molested her sensibilities.
For a woman like yourself to be complacent with this fracas, shame on you!
Silly thing.

I rather be a shameless prostitute at will than to be forced at a tender age to marry one old bearded fool!!!!

stillwater:

Madam Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have had enough with this crap.
You've been parading this bitchy, side talks and I've been quiet.
If you were sexually active as a child/teenager, better confess it or else keep quiet!
What's with the stu.pid talk of children on some s..ex spree? Were you on a se..x spree at 12, madam?
If you had a questionable background, kindly confess it!
The women from my own background minded their books, don't know about yours. The girl I knew who had a child outside wedlock was actually raped! No girl desires to be prostitute without a bloody predator in the background who has molested her sensibilities.
For a woman like yourself to be complacent with this fracas, shame on you!
Silly thing.

Her father probably married her off at 6 years old to an Imam.

If this Law succeeds it will only give those Northern elders the upper hand to control the females in the North, but it will also increase the poverty in the North. Other countries experience this law but the difference is the females there have a choice. But I bet the Northerners wont give those females a choice, as usual they will use force. This Law has nothing to do with Islam its all about Control. Once yu can control them from the age of 13 yu'll be able to control them for the rest of their life.
They are afraid of Women having more Power than Men like in US and Europe.

stillwater:

Madam Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have had enough with this crap.
You've been parading this bitchy, side talks and I've been quiet.
If you were sexually active as a child/teenager, better confess it or else keep quiet!
What's with the stu.pid talk of children on some s..ex spree? Were you on a se..x spree at 12, madam?
If you had a questionable background, kindly confess it!
The women from my own background minded their books, don't know about yours. The girl I knew who had a child outside wedlock was actually raped! No girl desires to be prostitute without a bloody predator in the background who has molested her sensibilities.
For a woman like yourself to be complacent with this fracas, shame on you!
Silly thing.

What a background you had! Even if you'll deny any other thing, you can't deny that your background is faulty as regards speaking with others. If this is the best way you can talk, I wonder if anyone taught you anything at all.

Wow! I wrote the post you quoted some 3 days ago and you just couldnt help but comment? Follow follow no go kill ya.

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I know(from experience) that the most majority of the ranters here have to education is their keyboard and screen. I am however a patient teacher and will try to help you understand my position on this matter.

On the matter,

I dont totally agree with teenage marriage. At the same time, I see no reason to make unnecessary noise over it.

In fact, I have been trying to find out the implication of legislating against it according to the Islamic law.

Mind you, I have worked on several campaigns against child marriage, female genital mutilation, etc..and with my interaction with doctors from different parts of the world, and in particular, a woman who's worked with the WHO and the UN, I have realised that the propaganda that these issues meet is unnecessary and a big distraction from more important issues with higher mortality rates as malaria and infectious diseases.

In fact, this mentor of mine had made it known to me that she quit working on the FGM campaign after realising that it wasnt worth the money and time spent on it.

Now, madam internet warrior, let me sing it to your ears that there is nothing wrong with teenagers getting married. In societies where morality is upheld, it is better to encourage willing teenagers to get married rather than have them committing illicit sexual activities.

That is better for them as they are protected from abuse. They dont get to run helter skelter looking for pills to terminate their pregnancies nor would they be needing quack doctors for D&C. No baby factories would be taking advantage of them. Now if you haven't heard about teenage pregnancy being rampant, it is high time you get yourself a tv or @least get your fat body out of the house and join the others at newspaper stands. Funny, you needed the pregnant teens to come close to your family before knowing or you want them to come show it to you because you are too blind to see them while walking on streets.

Even more advanced climes have sought better means of helping the younger generation. First it was about simply talking to boys about condom use and girls about contraceptives. Now, they even go ahead and produce condoms to fit them. In a Muslim society, no such condom would be allowed. What is allowed is marriage.

What part of any of the above is difficult for a supposed, educated mind to understand.

My concerns have always been to however legislate on this matter. How early is too early should be spelt out in the law. What can happen in such marriages. How their education must continue..etc. Even with these, people should not be forced on the choices they make for themselves/ their wards.

It is a big problem when even dolts assume that they have the better argument because some majority at a place hold the same thought. With a little more exposure, beauty can be seen in diversity and you wont be crying foul because some see things differently from you. the 'weird' things are so much in the world that it should never come as a surprise that you are probably one of them.

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And btw, dont you refer to me as a madam. I am not one of you grown ups with no sense of shame talking like you are from the gutters.
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Young, ambitious, much more reasonable and POLITE- that's me!

The fact of the matter is that all this morality talk is a smokescreen. We never hear of 9 year olds marrying 9 year olds. It is always a much older man, marrying a sexually immature child. Perhaps if oyibo pedopiles realize nigeria is a safe haven for them and flood nigeria you will understand.

You want to stop promiscuity, you start a campaign. You catch people, give them the 100 strokes. Of course since the male is usually a paddy in senate that wont happen

Most of these so called bethrothals are in the same vein as people sending their kids to become housemaids. Do you see yerima bethroting his kids to his age mates? Is he not worried about their promiscuity?

But some e-warriors believes Asari always says the 'truth' The other day when he threatened fire and brimstone if gej is not allowed to serve 2 terms they said he's telling the truth, also when he stated that Yorubas will commit political suicide if they join APC they also said he's telling the truth and again when he tongue lashed Tam David West they also said he's telling the truth. It looks like the word 'truth' means 'only when it suits us' to some people

oyb: The fact of the matter is that all this morality talk is a smokescreen. We never hear of 9 year olds marrying 9 year olds. It is always a much older man, marrying a sexually immature child. Perhaps if oyibo pedopiles realize nigeria is a safe haven for them and flood nigeria you will understand.

You want to stop promiscuity, you start a campaign. You catch people, give them the 100 strokes. Of course since the male is usually a paddy in senate that wont happen

Most of these so called bethrothals are in the same vein as people sending their kids to become housemaids. Do you see yerima bethroting his kids to his age mates? Is he not worried about their promiscuity?

Exactly! Promiscuity is not an excuse, in fact promiscuity is a sign of failure from the parents, the govt and the society at large. You cannot tackle promiscuity or even unwanted pregnancy by legislation.

I am not here making a case for Yerima or anyone else. All I have written has been against people claiming the higher moral ground. The paedophiles dont need to start coming to Nigeria. You may have heard the explanations that the law never changed. The propagandists only blew it for whatever reason they have.

Well, I am not saying anyone has to do any of the above. I have actually not seen it in my immediate surrounding.

But there is a big problem when some people think they have the right to insult others because they see things differently or want to do things differently.

Even as a social worker or an extension worker working with rural people, the worst of ways to speak with them is to tell them that their method is bad and speak all the ills against them. They'll more probably get stronger that way and defy it even if it is a law.

That older men do it is what everyone keeps hammering on. So, is it majorly about the old men or teenage marriage in general. I'd want to think it is about the marriage in entirety.

In one of my posts elsewhere, I had mentioned the need to promote education. With that, they'll less likely be married. Poverty should be looked into so that fathers dont see their daughters as their meal ticket.

All the noise is just for the time being and the poor girls would only have been used as a means of cheap propaganda against the north/ muslims while things go back to the way they were if the issue of education and poverty are not tackled.

oyb: The fact of the matter is that all this morality talk is a smokescreen. We never hear of 9 year olds marrying 9 year olds. It is always a much older man, marrying a sexually immature child. Perhaps if oyibo pedopiles realize nigeria is a safe haven for them and flood nigeria you will understand.

You want to stop promiscuity, you start a campaign. You catch people, give them the 100 strokes. Of course since the male is usually a paddy in senate that wont happen

Most of these so called bethrothals are in the same vein as people sending their kids to become housemaids. Do you see yerima bethroting his kids to his age mates? Is he not worried about their promiscuity?

deols: I am not here making a case for Yerima or anyone else. All I have written has been against people claiming the higher moral ground. The paedophiles dont need to start coming to Nigeria. You may have heard the explanations that the law never changed. The propagandists only blew it for whatever reason they have.

Well, I am not saying anyone has to do any of the above. I have actually not seen it in my immediate surrounding.

But there is a big problem when some people think they have the right to insult others because they see things differently or want to do things differently.

Even as a social worker or an extension worker working with rural people, the worst of ways to speak with them is to tell them that their method is bad and speak all the ills against them. They'll more probably get stronger that way and defy it even if it is a law.

That older men do it is what everyone keeps hammering on. So, is it majorly about the old men or teenage marriage in general. I'd want to think it is about the marriage in entirety.

In one of my posts elsewhere, I had mentioned the need to promote education. With that, they'll less likely be married. Poverty should be looked into so that fathers dont see their daughters as their meal ticket.

All the noise is just for the time being and the poor girls would only have been used as a means of cheap propaganda against the north/ muslims while things go back to the way they were if the issue of education and poverty are not tackled.

The only people who can tackle poverty are the leaders. What has any northern governor really done to push education? Or empower people? They dont care. Not their problem.

It is about old men because it is clearly abnormal for a 50 year old to bé lusting after a 13 year old.

This is not about what happened in arabia 1000 years ago. This is about today.

Its sad though that northern women have mostly been silent on this matter

Lmao @ letting the child marry is she is willing! So the decision to marry is one that a 13 yr old is mature enough, ready enough to make? Does the child's psychological development count for nothing at all? There is a reason why a child is still a child both physically and mentally. God deliver these innocent children from parents like these.

Even more hilarious? The presence of the word 'polite' in that sea of insults! Too damn funny!

#keep deceiving yourself.

The only people who can tackle poverty are the leaders. What has any northern governor really done to push education? Or empower people? They dont care. Not their problem.

Actually, I wish they would just go ahead and tackle it. I have spoken against poverty over and over again. The almajiri system is embarrassing. The most I and many here can do, for now at least is keep saying and hoping that poverty would be tackled for it definitely will go a long way.

It is about old men because it is clearly abnormal for a 50 year old to bé lusting after a 13 year old.

It is abnormal to you. Fine. You are allowed that opinion. It is not abnormal to them(and here is where my argument lies). For you to make them see the abnormality would take time and of course some form of education that they are yet to take.It definitely isnt by just criminalising it.

All the hausa girls I am friends with are well educated. But I hear them speak of girls( of similar social backgrounds) getting married just after sec education(which shows them as teenagers). These girls definitely see nothing wrong with getting married because they were brought up to see it as normal. Anyone telling them otherwise had better have something substantial to back it up. Marriage to an elderly, I heard in just one case and this was an 18yr old whose father disapproved of the marriage but with her and her mother's strong head, father had to agree. Do you still call this the case of an oldman taking advantage of a lil girl?

How come the fathers of the girls see no reason in giving them out? Again, it is all about indoctrination.

This is not about what happened in arabia 1000 years ago. This is about today.

I agree. But today, some people have simply failed to stop living in the 6th century C.E and no one should force them otherwise.

Its sad though that northern women have mostly been silent on this matter

Maybe they just dont see it as a problem or dont see how talking online helps them out.

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