ileobatojo: She was an employee in Qatar, not Dubai.

same laws apply - Zina in qatar is the same as in dubai. you cannot be in a room with the opposite sex in those 2 countries!

I never said she was not irresponsible. However, that is no excuse for her to be raped.

she wasn't räped - sex was consensual! the excuse that she passed out while taking water in the hotelroom indicates she's lying. it's always the same script with these libidinous western women.

You are basing your assumption that she had consensual sex on the fact that she was drink and asked to be escorted to her room. Therefore anything that happens after that is fair game.

how can i base my assumption on that? i said the smoking gun was the fact that she changed her statement. any woman seeking justice would stick to the truth. only the truth set people free. if she was speaking the truth, every dot would connect.

She changed her story because her fears and desperation led her to take the advice to change it.

fear of what? is she not the victim? in which courts can a real räpe victim change her story because of fear and desperation? what else has she lied about because of fear and desperation? how are you sure she's not lying about the entire case if she could lie under the oath out of fear & desperation?

I have always been objective. The fact that you're pained when I call out idiocy doesn't change my objectivity.

you can never be objective to save a life - what you did up there was a kodak moment. a day to be cherished like the haley's comet. days like that happen once every 75 years.

coogar:

how can i base my assumption on that? i said the smoking gun was the fact that she changed her statement. any woman seeking justice would stick to the truth. only the truth set people free. if she was speaking the truth, every dot would connect.

She explained why she changed her statement and her manager confirmed that he was the ones who translated that the police officer told her to do so to make the case go away. She was set up by the policeman. And if you are saying you don't believe policemen do that, then I have a bridge to Alaska to sell to you.

coogar:

fear of what? is she not the victim? in which courts can a real räpe victim change her story because of fear and desperation? what else has she lied about because of fear and desperation? how are you sure she's not lying about the entire case if she could lie under the oath out of fear & desperation?

If you go to Dubai on vacation and a hefty man nabs you in the corner and rapes you, you immediately go to the police and the next thing you know, you have been thrown in jail for days without any explanation and all your documents have been confiscated, you're trying to tell me you will be calm, all smiles, just dandy, having a regular ol' day right? No fear? No stress? No desperation? Well, that would be a big lie from the pit of hell!

coogar:

you can never be objective to save a life - what you did up there was a kodak moment. a day to be cherished like the haley's comet. days like that happen once every 75 years.

My objectivity is second to none around these parts!

ileobatojo:
She explained why she changed her statement and her manager confirmed that he was the ones who translated that the police officer told her to do so to make the case go away. She was set up by the policeman. And if you are saying you don't believe policemen do that, then I have a bridge to Alaska to sell to you.

which policeman said that? what's his name? why wasn't this mentioned in court before she was slapped with the charge of perjury? ileoba, think........

If you go to Dubai on vacation and a hefty man nabs you in the corner and rapes you, you immediately go to the police and the next thing you know, you have been thrown in jail for days without any explanation and all your documents have been confiscated, you're trying to tell me you will be calm, all smiles, just dandy, having a regular ol' day right? No fear? No stress? No desperation? Well, that would be a big lie from the pit of hell!

fear, stress, despair or desperation, i would still stick to the truth. remember, the accused is a foreigner from sudan. there's no reason the police would be on his side. this woman was tried and was found guilty after examining her statement and the discrepancy in her 2 statements. how can someone be räped and not räped at the same time?

My objectivity is second to none around these parts!

..........and kim kardashian is a virgin!

coogar:

how can i base my assumption on that? i said the smoking gun was the fact that she changed her statement. any woman seeking justice would stick to the truth. only the truth set people free. if she was speaking the truth, every dot would connect.

By the way, this is a bold faced lie! Even before you found out today that she changed her story you had already judged that the sex was consensual. And please don't bother giving me that line about the perjury conviction. There are a million and one things she could have lied about. Your bias is evident! And appalling!

coogar:

which policeman said that? what's his name? why wasn't this mentioned in court before she was slapped with the charge of perjury? ileoba, think........

Probably the same one that ran off to tattle to the court about perjury!! It's his word against her's! Who do you think will win in an already biased court system?

coogar:

fear, stress, despair or desperation, i would still stick to the truth.

At least you've admitted you would be scared, stressed out and desperate. Now the world is not made of robots. How you would handle these is not the same way you would expect everyone to.

Good to know women also engage in sexx tourism

Some exotic schlong in her thong

Hahaha

ileobatojo:
By the way, this is a bold faced lie! Even before you found out today that she changed her story you had already judged that the sex was consensual. And please don't bother giving me that line about the perjury conviction. There are a million and one things she could have lied about. Your bias is evident! And appalling!

i knew there were inconsistencies in her story from the outset. she was found guilty of perjury! i know what that means, my dear witchdoctor. at least one of plaintiff/accused always lies in court but since they always stick to their statements, they only get charged for what they have been accused of. this woman got perjury charge slapped on her because she produced 2 opposite statements in court under the oath

Probably the same one that ran off to tattle to the court about perjury!! It's his word against her's! Who do you think will win in an already biased court system?

are you assuming this woman had no lawyer to fight her corner? where was the lawyer when she was being coaxed to change her statement? why wasn't the issue about the dodgy policeman raised in court? you want me to believe the statement of her manager(an associate of a compulsive liar)??

At least you've admitted you would be scared, stressed out and desperate. Now the world is not made of robots. How you would handle these is not the same way you would expect everyone to.

everyone in the world would speak the truth! if she was really räped, nothing should have changed her mind to withdraw her claim otherwise her action is a mockery to the genuine räpe victims all over the world!

this liar just needed some money after finding out her drunkeness had pushed her to sleep with a married man of 3 children. the shame triggered the impulse to run downstairs and contact the hotel staff that she had been räped!

The fact that you pick and choose what you believe shows you are not credible. The only thing that came out of her mouth that you believe is the thing that suits your purpose. Never mind that you have an unbiased outsider substantiating one of her claims. Yet you still choose to discount it because it doesn't fit into your biased agenda. But hey, there are multiple nitwits who are willing to lap up every crumb that falls from your table, so please carry on. Your loyal lap dogs will soon be back to hit the like button.

I'm done successfully exposing you to all those that are in possession of some sense. Goodbye.

ileobatojo: The fact that you pick and choose what you believe shows you are not credible. The only thing that came out of her mouth that you believe is the thing that suits your purpose. Never mind that you have an unbiased outsider substantiating one of her claims. Yet you still choose to discount it because it doesn't fit into your biased agenda. But hey, there are multiple nitwits who are willing to lap up every crumb that falls from your table, so please carry on. Your loyal lap dogs will soon be back to hit the like button.

the facts of the case

she got drunk
she had sëx with a man she's not married to
she claimed she was räped
she claimed she wasn't räped
then she claimed she was räped again.

I'm done successfully exposing you to all those that are in possession of some sense. Goodbye.

stop foaming in the mouth and let me wallow in my moment of schadenfreude. admit it, your norwegian friend was caught pants down - she deserves everything she suffered in the hands of dubai police....

ileobatojo: The fact that you pick and choose what you believe shows you are not credible. The only thing that came out of her mouth that you believe is the thing that suits your purpose. Never mind that you have an unbiased outsider substantiating one of her claims. Yet you still choose to discount it because it doesn't fit into your biased agenda. But hey, there are multiple nitwits who are willing to lap up every crumb that falls from your table, so please carry on. Your loyal lap dogs will soon be back to hit the like button.

I'm done successfully exposing you to all those that are in possession of some sense. Goodbye.

Coogar makes a very strong point. It would appear that the woman lied or at least was equally culpable in the incident. You own argument shows you think the woman was naive which is really very hard to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marte_Dalelv_rape_incident

Donxavier:

Coogar makes a very strong point. It would appear that the woman lied or at least was equally culpable in the incident. You own argument shows you think the woman was naive which is really very hard to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marte_Dalelv_rape_incident

I would beg to differ with that based on what we have been told. Her manager confirmed that he translated the recommendation for her to change the story to one of consensual intercourse so it could all go away and that's why she changed her story at one point. Are you saying the manager too is lying on her behalf?

ileobatojo:

I would beg to differ with that based on what we have been told. Her manager confirmed that he translated the recommendation for her to change the story to one of consensual intercourse so it could all go away and that's why she changed her story at one point. Are you saying the manager too is lying on her behalf?

Why would you do that if you were genuinely r.aped? Why would you choose expediency over Justice A lot of dots don't connect. If it were indeed true that the Police Officer suggested to her that she should lie against herself it only suggests that there was no strong evidence to prove her claims. They clearly didn't believe her story and wanted to spare her the whole rigmarole from her actions. Even that she fluffed, changing her story in court, thinking she could claim the moral high ground..... The lady doesn't look genuine to me

Did you see how happy she was to get her passport back? That's not someone who was raped and that's why the Ruler of dubai's pardon extended to her offending partner too... It wasn't a r.ape....

Why would the Dubai Police conspire to deny this woman Justice? Her offending partner was an immigrant from Sudan so why would they want to cover for him? It was a very simple case of slutty behaviour from a drunk foreigner breaking the laws of their land and trying to get away with it by claiming she was r.aped.

She should thank the social media

Donxavier:

Why would you do that if you were genuinely r.aped? Why would you choose expediency over Justice

Ok. Assume she was truly raped. She goes right to the police to report it and the next thing she's in jail for having sex outside of marriage. How is that getting justice? At the end of the day, she has realized that they are all against her so at some point she doesn't care about seeking justice anymore since she knows it's not coming. All she wants to do is get back home to her country, so in her state of desperation, why will she not try to take a quick out suggested to her?

Donxavier:
A lot of dots don't connect. If it were indeed true that the Police Officer suggested to her that she should lie against herself it only suggests that there was no strong evidence to prove her claims.

When exactly did they gather the evidence when they threw her in jail pretty much the moment she complained to them?

Donxavier:

Did you see how happy she was to get her passport back? That's not someone who was raped

How does her happiness to get her passport back mean she wasn't raped? If it were me, I would be turning cartwheels at getting my passport back sef. It doesn't change anything except that she is happy to get out of the trap of this biased justice system.

Donxavier:

Why would the Dubai Police conspire to deny this woman Justice?

They didn't conspire against her specifically. It's their way in general. They are apparently notorious for imprisoning anyone who reports a rape.

ileobatojo:

Ok. Assume she was truly raped. She goes right to the police to report it and the next thing she's in jail for having sex outside of marriage. How is that getting justice? At the end of the day, she has realized that they are all against her so at some point she doesn't care about seeking justice anymore since she knows it's not coming. All she wants to do is get back home to her country, so in her state of desperation, why will she not try to take a quick out suggested to her?

Ok she was raped, Why then didn't she stick to her story? The reason she was thrown in Jail was simply because her story wasn't believed and she already broke the Law of the Land which was having sex outside of marriage. Nothing to substantiate her claims. Her being drunk didn't help matters too.Pretty convenient too Don't you think?

ileobatojo:
When exactly did they gather the evidence when they threw her in jail pretty much the moment she complained to them?

How did they know she was drunk? where there defensive wounds on her body? Did she scream? Nothing to corroborate her claims...even the Hotel porter knew it was hogwash and advised accordingly she didn't take correct advise

ileobatojo:
How does her happiness to get her passport back mean she wasn't raped? If it were me, I would be turning cartwheels at getting my passport back sef. It doesn't change anything except that she is happy to get out of the trap of this biased justice system.

She should have been agitated, angry and felt aggrieved if she was geniunely r.aped. I dunno how someone can be happy and smiling if you were locked up wrongly and on top of that you had been raped and then set free and you are happy to be free when you shouldn't have been there to begin with

ileobatojo:
They didn't conspire against her specifically. It's their way in general. They are apparently notorious for imprisoning anyone who reports a rape.

I dunno about that, but her Sudannese Boss owned up and was dealt with accordingly. He took it like a man.

ileobatojo:
Ok. Assume she was truly raped. She goes right to the police to report it and the next thing she's in jail for having sex outside of marriage. How is that getting justice? At the end of the day, she has realized that they are all against her so at some point she doesn't care about seeking justice anymore since she knows it's not coming. All she wants to do is get back home to her country, so in her state of desperation, why will she not try to take a quick out suggested to her?

why do you argue like this? assuming she was truly räped, the fact that she took alcohol and she allowed a man she's not married to into the same hotelroom are criminal offences. so she's guilty from what she wrote down as statement. policemen came and they took blood sample to analyse the amount of alcohol she had as at the time of the alleged räpe!

When exactly did they gather the evidence when they threw her in jail pretty much the moment she complained to them?

she said in her statement that she's drunk.... she had no drinking license, that alone is enough to put her in jail. then her statement also said she told the sudanese man to escort her into a room - another cardinal offence in dubai. so those offences should have been overlooked?

How does her happiness to get her passport back mean she wasn't raped? If it were me, I would be turning cartwheels at getting my passport back sef. It doesn't change anything except that she is happy to get out of the trap of this biased justice system.

a woman that was räped would seek justice. if she's telling the truth, every dot would connect, no defensive wounds, no screams, nothing. in a hotelroom, there's a possibility the next door is occupied.

They didn't conspire against her specifically. It's their way in general. They are apparently notorious for imprisoning anyone who reports a rape.

yes, they are - they are notorious for imprisoning irresponsible western women with no decorum who think they can go anywhere to desecrate and piss on the laws of the land.

Donxavier:

Ok she was raped, Why then didn't she stick to her story? The reason she was thrown in Jail was simply because her story wasn't believed and she already broke the Law of the Land which was having sex outside of marriage. Nothing to substantiate her claims. Her being drunk didn't help matters too.Pretty convenient too Don't you think?

So basically if a woman is passed out drunk, it's fair game for her to be ra*ped right?

ileobatojo:

So basically if a woman is passed out drunk, it's fair game for her to be ra*ped right?

Problem with being drunk is that it inhibits your senses. One makes poor judgements. How do you know she didn't initiate the sex herself? something she may not have done in her right senses.That's the crux of the whole matter it didn't seem she was coerced or forced in anyway. Or maybe the boss initiated the move and she was too drunk to resist..... either way it was consensual. She went to the room with the man herself, it's not as if he broke in or something.... very clear case.

She should blame it on the Al-co-hol

Donxavier:

Problem with being drunk is that it inhibits your senses. One makes poor judgements. How do you know she didn't initiate the sex herself? something she may not have done in her right senses.That's the crux of the whole matter it didn't seem she was coerced or forced in anyway. Or maybe the boss initiated the move and she was too drunk to resist..... either way it was consensual. She went to the room with the man herself, it's not as if he broke in or something.... very clear case.

She blame it on the Al-co-hol

I have nothing more to say.

ileobatojo:

I have nothing more to say.

Why? So she shouldn't be held responsible for her drunken state.... If she allows something in her drunken state she probably won't have allowed in her right senses she's got no culpability

Donxavier:
Why? So she shouldn't be held responsible for her drunken state.... If she allows something in her drunken state she probably won't have allowed in her right senses she's got no culpability

she must have initiated the sex. alcohol increases the sex drive of these women. their senses do not come back till the next morning after the deed must have been done. the deed shames them & they quickly utter the usual crap......."i was drunk, i passed out and i woke up to find myself being räped".

a woman in the UK entered a restricted office of a hotel, rummaged through one of the bags, stole an iPhone and walked away. she was promptly arrested as CCTV had her as the culprit. when she got to court - her excuse was she was too drunk to know what she was doing and she wasn't with her senses when she stole the iPhone.

the judge believed her n she walked free!

Donxavier:

Why? So she shouldn't be held responsible for her drunken state.... If she allows something in her drunken state she probably won't have allowed in her right senses she's got no culpability

Excuse me for still being in a state of shock at this.

Donxavier:

Problem with being drunk is that it inhibits your senses. One makes poor judgements. How do you know she didn't initiate the sex herself? something she may not have done in her right senses.That's the crux of the whole matter it didn't seem she was coerced or forced in anyway. Or maybe the boss initiated the move and she was too drunk to resist..... either way it was consensual. She went to the room with the man herself, it's not as if he broke in or something.... very clear case.

She should blame it on the Al-co-hol

@Coogar I feel you. That's why these european ladies think they can behave anyhow because you have laws that offer them some protection. Even Nigerian ladies begin to flex muscle once they get into the UK behaving anyhow... The lady must have thought she was in Norway where the opposite might have probably happened just at the mention of molestation and she would have cooked up more lies

ileobatojo:

Excuse me for still being in a state of shock at this.

Ok

Interesting comments from the guys...dealing with the feminist/feminism the HATE group, anti-men movement

Men are ra;ped by women but those women are not beast but when it is vice versa men are tagged beast

Nice debate.....

^^^^^

Yup and I enjoyed it . I wish there were more feminists though it would have been nice(whatever happened to kobojunkie)

@ile,

We can debate whether it is right to hold drunk people responsible for their actions on another thread on another day so we don't derail MY Oga on Top Coogar's thread

Donxavier:
@Coogar I feel you. That's why these european ladies think they can behave anyhow because you have laws that offer them some protection. Even Nigerian ladies begin to flex muscle once they get into the UK behaving anyhow... The lady must have thought she was in Norway where the opposite might have probably happened just at the mention of molestation and she would have cooked up more lies

exactly.....
they carry that same attitude to islamic states and then expect EU laws to protect their reckless attitude.

Donxavier: ^^^^^

Yup and I enjoyed it . I wish there were more feminists though it would have been nice(whatever happened to kobojunkie)

@ile,

We can debate whether it is right to hold drunk people responsible for their actions on another thread on another day so we don't derail MY Oga on Top Coogar's thread

Discussing with feminists is like hearing a dripping tap

Saying a lot yet saying nothing

Gender gap without considering context, no enrollment in STEM courses without considering that these courses are shunned by the same girls who desire to be like kim kardashian and so many roundabout points...

There are a couple of threads

Donxavier: ^^^^^

Yup and I enjoyed it . I wish there were more feminists though it would have been nice(whatever happened to kobojunkie)

Kobojunkie got married she is now the 3rd wife of a rich Alhaji in Sokoto

dayokanu:

Kobojunkie got married she is now the 3rd wife of a rich Alhaji in Sokoto

You're Wicked

Donxavier: ^^^^^

Yup and I enjoyed it . I wish there were more feminists though it would have been nice(whatever happened to kobojunkie)

@ile,

We can debate whether it is right to hold drunk people responsible for their actions on another thread on another day so we don't derail MY Oga on Top Coogar's thread

You seem like a nice, reasonable person. So I'm going to ask you to re-examine that statement you made. Quoted

Or maybe the boss initiated the move and she was too drunk to resist..... either way it was consensual.

Please how is it consensual if it happened because she was too drunk to resist? When else is it okay to sleep with someone if they are too weak/incapacitated to resist? When they are in a coma? Paralysed? When it's a child? Mentally disabled?

Having sex with someone who doesn't want it because they are too drunk to resist is RA*PE, plain and simple. It is quite disturbing that you feel that is okay and it makes me wonder if it's something you can do.

Now about taking responsibility for being drunk, of course, she should take responsibility for self inflicted things that happen to her when drunk. It is not for others to forcibly enforce responsibility on her by taking the opportunity to commit crime!! If she falls in a ditch and bleeds into her brain when drunk, she should take responsibility for that. If she aspirates on her vomit while drunk and becomes brain dead that is her responsibility. If a robber steals her purse because she was holding it loosely when drunk, should he not be prosecuted for theft? After all according to you, she should be 'responsible for her actions'? How about the robber's actions for choosing to commit crime on a vulnerable victim? Should he be responsible for his actions?

Oh, and it's not Coogar's thread, he just hijacked it like he tried to do again today!

ileobatojo:
Please how is it consensual if it happened because she was too drunk to resist?

Because Context is everything when proving to a Jury you are innocent in a r.ape allegation case. A drunk lady can still give consent; it all depends on the circumstances.I am speaking with regard to case laws in the US( though there are slight variations across states). It depends on the level of intoxication? The issue is was she aware of what was going on and did her actions agree? What was her intent before the alleged r.ape? Am not talking of flat out wasted or being unconscious... What happened before the alleged r.ape? Did the Boss intoxicate her to get her laid? She was too drunk to resist his charms( or putting it differently she was seduced)or she set herself up to be seduced. she obviously made a bad decision, she now regrets it and wants to conveniently claim she was r.aped and all these is assuming she wasn't the aggressor in this matter. A good criminal defense lawyer will get an acquittal on these charges...

In dubai, it is a crime to even have sexx outside of marriage, both being r.aped and committing r.ape are criminalized under the crime of "extramarital relations." A person who reports being r.aped can be sentenced to over a year in prison, as can a person accused of r.ape. That is their Law there. This was the explicit reason why they asked her if she wanted to report to the Police. She declined, she thought she was in Norway.

In Norway where is from, r.ape is defined under the Norwegian Penal Code[37] § 192 as either:
1. engaging in sexual activity by means of violence or threatening behaviour,
2. engaging in sexual activity with somebody who is unconscious or for any other reason incapable of resisting the act, or
3. by means of violence or threatening behaviour compelling any person to engage in sexual activity with another person, or to carry out similar actions with him- or herself.

I am sure in Norway the man would have probably been arrested on the spot, but her statements don't meet any of the requirements for R.ape under their Law....Examine what she said
' She reported that it was a long evening where everyone drank a lot. She asked a colleague, an Arab man, to help her back into her room, because she was drunk. But he brought her into his room and said to her that he will sleep on the sofa and she could sleep in the bed.She said that she wanted to calm this situation down and that she sat down and wanted to drink her bottle of water and after it she wanted to go, to find her room by herself, but this was the last thing she remembered. She also reported that she woke up the next morning and that she realised that she was being r.aped, that she tried to resist against the man, but the man pushed her head down; room-service then knocked on the door and she was able to escape'

According to her she was conscious while she was being r.aped and she tried to resist but he held her down and a knock from room service made her escape. So she was obviously conscious and fully aware and yet no defensive wounds, no screams, no witnesses to corroborate her story..... am tired of analysing this story

ileobatojo:

When else is it okay to sleep with someone if they are too weak/incapacitated to resist? When they are in a coma? Paralysed? When it's a[b] child[/b]? Mentally disabled?

I never said or implied any of those.

ileobatojo:
Having sex with someone who doesn't want it because they are too drunk to resist is RA*PE, plain and simple

I agree with you. But in this case she wanted it.

ileobatojo:
Now about taking responsibility for being drunk, of course, she should take responsibility for self inflicted things that happen to her when drunk. It is not for others to forcibly enforce responsibility on her by taking the opportunity to commit crime!! If she falls in a ditch and bleeds into her brain when drunk, she should take responsibility for that. If she aspirates on her vomit while drunk and becomes brain dead that is her responsibility. If a robber steals her purse because she was holding it loosely when drunk, should he not be prosecuted for theft? After all according to you, she should be 'responsible for her actions'? How about the robber's actions for choosing to commit crime on a vulnerable victim? Should he be responsible for his actions?

My point is culpability has to be 50/50....it takes two to tango. Nobody should be absolved of being responsible for their actions.

ileobatojo:
Oh, and it's not Coogar's thread, he just hijacked it like he tried to do again today!

LOL.

Phew.. Nice analysis