Syncan:

I have searched through all you posted, and not even one version said "Only scripture is useful...

superior1:

Jumping from Gospel and looking for backup in Epistles without a line of
reference is a terrible way of interpreting the Bible. The account of
Jesus life is adequately represented in the Gospel and whatever is not
written there is not part of the scripture.

The Epistle written to Thessalonians is different from Corinthians and
so others, all making and addressing different points. They all
represented all Paul's teaching which he received from Jesus Christ. If
it is verbal instruction and not written, it is not part of the
scriptures.

superior1:

Jumping from Gospel and looking for backup in Epistles without a line of reference is a terrible way of interpreting the Bible. The account of Jesus life is adequately represented in the Gospel and whatever is not written there is not part of the scripture.

superior1:
The Epistle written to Thessalonians is different from Corinthians and so others, all making and addressing different points. They all represented all Paul's teaching which he received from Jesus Christ. If it is verbal instruction and not written, it is not part of the scriptures.

superior1:

Jumping from Gospel and looking for backup in Epistles without a line of
reference is a terrible way of interpreting the Bible. The account of
Jesus life is adequately represented in the Gospel and whatever is not
written there is not part of the scripture.

The Epistle written to Thessalonians is different from Corinthians and
so others, all making and addressing different points. They all
represented all Paul's teaching which he received from Jesus Christ. If
it is verbal instruction and not written, it is not part of the
scriptures.

superior1:

Really?, but you saw for 'some of the doctrines, teachings there?'.

Jesus said I am the way, truth and life but you said Jesus didnt say I am the only way, the only truth and the only life, abi?

Syncan:

hehehehe, it is very clear the evangelist witnessed to more, but did not write all, at various times he must have taught more than what he wrote....in words. Hold on to those as well 2Thess2:15.

Syncan:
Yet Paul said we should hold on to it as well, you said no.

Syncan:
Meanwhile: Scripture - any writing that is regarded as sacred by a religious group. (It does not end with the bible by this definition)

damerry: Give me citations from the bible that proved the
martyrdom of Jesus Christ disciples, or would you claim that you don't
believe they were matyrd?

Syncan:

Same Bible told me that there are some that are not written and I should hold on to them as well 2Thess2:15. You said no, only what is written. Now you contradict the Bible.

superior1:

Their death were not written in the scriptures

Maria-Goretti:
The fact you werent with Jesus at that time, you can never know everything that was taught.....all these things are just waste of time.
Why not quit the arguement and employ that time into seeing that all those teachings are being incorporated into your life, eh?
As far as I am concerned, there are some things God has kept away from human understanding
For those understanding the bible superficially, I advice you actually ask the spirit to help you understand those words written in there, because without his help, everything writen there is foolishness to you...!

superior1: . There is no doubt he gave direct instruction to many but what we have on record is scripture

superior1:
He told Thessalonians to hold to his verbal and written instructions. I said it is the written instructions that became scriptures (look at the definition of what a scripture is again)

superior1:
The bolded is your additions

superior1:

No, you are only trying to make a point for your arguments. Paul's instructions are from God's inspiration and those he wrote are scriptures.

Syncan:

So we truncate as waste the rest He taught, right?



And what happens to the verbal?




That's why it is in bracket, an explanation.

superior1:

Popes do teach Catholics right?, not all teaching are dogma, right? But all Dogma are documented and binding on Catholics, right?.

Scriptures has to be documented to be referred so.

Syncan:

Dear Friend, Every single teaching of Christ is a dogma. What the church does today is to affirm any teaching that the Holy Spirit has revealed as truth beyond doubt.

(Jn16:12-13) I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come".

The apostles went about preaching what they've heard or seen, Jesus never wrote down a thing for them, yet all he taught is dogma.

chukwudi44: The words 'bible' and 'scripture' are not synonyms and should not be used interchangeably!!

St Paul in Timothy was never reffering to the bible as the bible did not exist then.The bible is just a subset of scriptures,it is a ternm used to refer to the set of the scriptures canonised by the catholic church in the late 4th and early 5th centuries.

chukwudi44:
Paul never used a bible throughout his life time.He and other bible writers quoted and referred us to books outside the bible.

chukwudi44: Sola bible is not a scriptural teaching but rather a teaching of martin luther.

All books in the bible are scriptures but not all scriprures are in the bible

superior1:

True, Christ wrote down nothing and what we have as scriptures today are what the Apostles are inspired to write (plus the old testament). The ministry of Holy Spirit is to direct us in these truths.

Galatians 1:8
New International Version
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!


So we know what ever teaching we get must be consistent to what is already revealed and in the scriptures. Paul placed a curse on any gospel which do not confirm with the scriptures.

Syncan:


You keep avoiding the truth, Paul placed a curse on any gospel contrary to what he and the rest disciples were teaching, both in words and epistles. Never only what he wrote!

Maria-Goretti:
@Superior,
if you understood all these, what exactly is the arguement about?

superior1:

Syncan, we will start repeating our talk all over again. If he said things by word of mouth relevant to doctrine, what are they?, who documented it, at which of the churches?, when was it scriptured? and when was it adopted, was it accepted by the Churches at the east, asia manor, syria, rome like the new testament?

Even if such words existed, they must have a basis in the scripture, somebody cant come with a supposed word of mouth that contradicts what is written, no?

superior1:

The Bible is the inspired word of God and basis of doctrine of Christian faith, any teaching outside of it and not found in the bible should be discarded

Syncan:


This is not only absent from the bible but a direct contradiction to what it says.

[/quote]To Christians, Bible (containing both old and new) is the scriptures. There were several writings circulating among the Christians, the ones accepted as the inspired words of God is what is contained in the Bible. The Church at Rome aren't the only Church who adopted this both also the orthodox and asia manor Church. So, when we refer to the scriptures as Christians, we are talking not of Torah but the Bible. [quote]

[/quote]True, but the scriptures he was referring to Timothy includes his epistles and accounts of Jesus journey on earth. In several places, he asked that his epistles be read to the general assembly and in a particular place, he asked the epistle be sent to another Church. [quote]

Syncan:

You see my friend, let's not be jittery here. Why use "If he said" when you can read very well that he said. The moment we start being economical with truth, the moment we cannot comprehend freely. So do you believe paul or not? then I can take on the rest issues you raised.

Note that you still have not told me Why the bible and not other books as mentioned.

chukwudi44: To Christians, Bible (containing both old and new) is the scriptures. There were several writings circulating among the Christians, the ones accepted as the inspired words of God is what is contained in the Bible. The Church at Rome aren't the only Church who adopted this both also the orthodox and asia manor Church. So, when we refer to the scriptures as Christians, we are talking not of Torah but the Bible.

Which christians? Who gave this definitions? The word scriptures does not refer to just the books in the bible my friend.The books in the bible are not the only scriptures that were written.Some scriptural writings like Books of Jashar,Nathan,Paul's epistle to the ladocieans e.t.c were lost others like Enoch,Jubilees,Assumption of moses shepherd of hermas e.t.c were not canonised.The term bible is used to describe the selection of scriptures that were canonised by the catholic synod of hippo 393CE and the local council of carthage 397CE.

The Apostles never used the bible.They even quoted books outside the bible.