Beretta92: Whatever,bro.I aint religious btw,i am agnostic.

FOLYKAZE:

Here is it. You were once a religious fanatics......it is very difficult to erase something you have been programmed to believe right from child.

You still look and argue like a religious man. It is in your word....views and reasoning. No offense bro.

Erm...you theistic agnostist

Beretta92: Argue you say? I wasn't arguing in the first place.Was just telling you what I deduced from your comments on your supposed paranormal experiences.You didn't sound much like an atheist to me.Anyways no hard feelings at all.If you say you're an atheist,then maybe you are.You know yourself better than i do.

FOLYKAZE:

cheers

Uyi Iredia:


To the extent there's a God sure. To extent dreams, OBE's (out of body events), clinical resurrection eg that Blackpool dude last year (can't recall the name) and even other stuff sure. But still I doubt the likes of UFO's, alien astronauts and necromancy. But I dislike your use of the term African, paranormal is known irrespective of race. But there are some stuff I believed which I now doubt (eg UFO's which my Dad told me and the fact that it was hyped even in Naija) inspite of accounts especially quite recently one by the late great Fela on UFO's. I think one should be skeptical of some not to fall victim of fraud as we know.

texanomaly:
I don't believe in "Hollywood" aliens, or the conspiracy theorists type aliens. I do however believe there is intelligent life out there. We know that innumerable galaxies exist. Am I wrong to assume we are not alone.

Uyi Iredia:

No, we aren't alone. God is with us. Afterlife and ET life are without hard evidence: I'm more open to an afterlife than ET life.

FOLYKAZE:

Ogun will give you money.....but you need to understand that Ogun is not humanlike monster depicted in religion. Ogun is the owner of wealth, strength and justice

Except of Oriki Ogun from Odu Ogunda Meji in Ifa



OGUN is primal energy, Energy (cant be created nor destroyed) is God, God is energy. Ogun is the force within your computer. Ogun is technology. Ogun is the force of gravity, the force of attraction. Ogun represents the tools that shape man, bringing out a person's potential, enhancing one's life. Ogun controls life and death. Ogun is our heart beat and the final contraction during birth. Ogun is auto accidents and gun wounds. Ogun is the warrior, hunter and farmer. Ogun is the God of loyalty and life-long friendships. Ogun is the master of secrets, skills, crafts, professions and creations. Ogun is the Orisa of barbers, doctors, butchers, etc., any occupation that uses knives or blades, or iron tools. Ogun cut a path through the bush. Ogun provides the tools which are essential to creating civilization. Ogun is evolutionary energy. It is technology. Like all the Orisa, Ogun has two opposing attributes which seem in conflict, but are actually two sides of the same coin (create and destroy). Seeing Ogun as a humanlike-God depicted in myths and religion is wrong.

Ermm, we are really different when viewing things. This is the greatest reason I wont agree with some atheist here like logicboy who lash insult on traditional belief, call it whole lot of sh1t and think it just crap. He lacks understanding about traditional belief or perhaps see it from western view (the corrupt, demonized and shred piece of sh1t from blacks). Looking at Ooman, he doesn't not know, he skeptical, doesn't discriminate or lash words but wish to study more and really appreciate traditon. I have seen where he said he wants to study ifa but wont accept myths attributed to it. Im judging from my observation here though.


Huh.....I don become babalawo. Lol. Im Yoruba and should know much more about yoruba belief. The reason I want to venture more in it.

The force is in you, creativity, strength, health and tools............get yourself into any work, earn your money and become bless. Ogun ti fun ni owo ni yen o..... It not double double magic tithe pastors are spreading here. It work with the force and earn at the expanse of your strength, mental and oppourtunity combination. Ire oo

texanomaly:

"Hard evidence" *smile* bless your heart Uyi...

Beretta92: What was your trance like?What induced it? Am truly curious.

Uyi Iredia:

Correction: It was a vision not a trance. It was in the middle of a math lesson at home. My tutor had gone to pick a call and after a while I started seeing images on a chair in a manner similar to how projected images are seen. Since I knew about apparitions I looked away, and back at where the images where and they were still there. I don't know what induced it, but i have not had a reoccurence since then.

Hemical: you made it sound like it's just something used to counter and oh! throw it out of the window. Tell me it isn't logical to ask. And then, I'm not surprised you made use of "incapable". And well, I am usually careful of assertions. I never said "should".. It's all a probability. "May" is what I most definitely use. And seriously? "we should have seen it?"... You really think of space as your bedroom. I'll like you to define "we" first as I laugh away in mesmerization

Hemical: can you recall exactly what you saw?

FOLYKAZE:

You have seen a trance and believe it because you either personally experienced it or you have someone that convincingly experienced it. Now Logicboy throw will throw your points through the window because it trance is alien to him and he didn't experience it.

I got the same ball here, trance is supernatural stands to logicboy but it normal and happens to you because you experienced it one way or the other. But where are we, you throw my claims out of the window either because you have not experience it or you just want to deny it.


KARMA INDEED IS A BI.TCH. We got the same balls here

Uyi Iredia:

Caricatures of humans, men and women, images of towns, cities and the world, alternating between each other with each varying in certain respects whilst keeping the same theme I've described.

Hemical: how old were you?

bolaino: @uyi, I'm sorry I've not been able to make more comments on this thread, my schedule has just been getting tighter and tighter, it sEems like the hours of the day are becoming shorter.

@uyi, why your skepticism about ETs?

Uyi Iredia:

For all your talk here I'll differ. If you are looking for pantheism sexed-up atheism go to Hinduism, they have space for you. The Ifa religion is monoarhaenistic (if I recall correctly) in that there is a Creator God (Eledumare) who made and is head over other deities who act as intermediaries to humanity on his behalf.

Uyi Iredia:

Uyi Iredia: I stopped where you talked about Eledumare being the totality of forces to comment. I'll go back to finish reading yoir response. My knowledge of Ifa worship comes from what my Dad practiced and a book called Ifism by Osamaro Ibiwie. It appears Edos copied Ifa worahip from the Yorubas and to some extent corrupted it with their own religion but my understanding since childhood was, and still is that Eledumare is the Creator God. I told this to Pastor AIO but he said the man didn't go into details of the Odus though personally I found the tales of the Odus like Oyeku-meji interesting. In fact, I don't believe you despite the knowledge you espouse, the only person who I can take more seriously is Pastor AIO, I think I should resurrect the thread so you kind of see where I'm coming from. The major difference I could tell was that Eledumare hardly directly intervened in governing the world, Esu (Devil) OTOH acted much and could do good or bad to someone so long as the person duly honored him with sacrifices.

texanomaly:
I said that because you say you believe in God (without hard evidence) yet you need hard evidence to believe in life 'Out There'

Just makes me go: hmmmm

Uyi Iredia: @ FOLYKAZE: The Ifa Orisa Religion thread: https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity/8

Uyi Iredia:

God isn't understood to be physical but immaterial so the request for hard-evidence to believe in Him falls flat. Crucially, God's existence is logically inferred from Nature. Finally, I don't need hard evidence to believe there's life out there, as a matter of fact I hope for or think an afterlife possible, I simply noted we don't have hard-evidence for life of any kind outside Earth.

texanomaly:
Noted.

musKeeto: Folykaza, you are more pantheist than atheist. Check it up.

@Uyi: just pick a position and rest. Be good. Do good. The headache's really not worth it. I'm waiting to experience. I believe that's when all questions will be answered.

Uyi Iredia:

I see. Was your atheism worth the pains and doubts you encountered before accepting it ? Your answer is presumably the same as mine.

musKeeto: Folykaza, you are more pantheist than atheist. Check it up.

@Uyi: just pick a position and rest. Be good. Do good. The headache's really not worth it. I'm waiting to experience DEATH. I believe that's when all questions will be answered.