ProphetUdeme:
i will answer you that if you answer me this. Between shaytan and your god allah who has the authority to kill?

WTF!! I asked you first

Djdoxxx

Never heard of it... I hope say them no talk anyhow about Bros J inside that book... If them try am! Na to tear shirt burst e:bottle for here...!!

Meanwhile, any summary on the gist for that book..

GooseBaba:
Djdoxxx

Never heard of it... I hope say them no talk anyhow about Bros J inside that book... If them try am! Na to tear shirt burst e:bottle for here...!!

Meanwhile, any summary on the gist for that book..

Explains How The Bible And Christianity Was Formed, And The Historical Revelation Of Christianity At Large...

Wassap atheists?


When will we have a black pope?

When will African muslims stop worshipping saudi arabia? hmmm

JackBizzle:
Wassap atheists?


When will we have a black pope?

When will African muslims stop worshipping saudi arabia? hmmm

You have to have faith, that's all that matters.

WE are the master of our own faith:

Since this is the closest we would ever come to posting anything about atheism on Nairaland. I think it would fair for me to post this over here to my fellow brothers who thoroughly believe that man should have control over his own fate and destiny.

In Nigeria, we are forced to believe that every thing that happens to us is for a spiritual course, this myopic mentality has led us to develop a mental placebo backwardness which has shaped us as a generation of fools, these days Pastors and many other religious leaders have used our clingy attitude towards spirituality to reap us off, to make matters worse they have in turn created zombie followers who believe that their pastors can do them no wrong, so they defend the lavish lifestyles of their pastors while they struggle to eat 3 times a day.

But this is not why I am here, I am here for those who believe they control their fate, their future, that the future favours the bold, the scientific, the pragmatic, the technocratic , the optimist who puts mentality to action without a single regard for what the religious might say. I SALUTE YOU!!

Nigeria today is blessed with rubbish idiots who think unless their pastors tell them, unless they see a sign from God, that they will make it, they think the reason their Business has failed is because of some attack in the village, but do they look inwards? Do they give proper investigations into their Business failures? Do they use proper Business softwares to see where they are lacking and how they can make it better? Do they read business books like "The Lean Startup" or "the richest man in Babylon".. The answer is NO… they are backward because they don't read, they are backward because they believe they have zero control of their lives, they live their lives in the hands of a " greater being" yet forget that their Brain has the power of a super computer, to gain information and translate it into various ways even an information Bot written in Python or Java would be jealous about.
My brothers, the future is in our hands, 48 laws of Power: "Think as you like but behave like others", lets fall into their fallacies, lets act like them but inwardly we thin k like proper men in control of our lives, we use their moronic ways to our advantage, give them what they need by using the resources of what they don't have, and you would be successful.

More to come

everybody become CHRISTIAN.

vladimiros:
WE are the master of our own faith:

Since this is the closest we would ever come to posting anything about atheism on Nairaland. I think it would fair for me to post this over here to my fellow brothers who thoroughly believe that man should have control over his own fate and destiny.

In Nigeria, we are forced to believe that every thing that happens to us is for a spiritual course, this myopic mentality has led us to develop a mental placebo backwardness which has shaped us as a generation of fools, these days Pastors and many other religious leaders have used our clingy attitude towards spirituality to reap us off, to make matters worse they have in turn created zombie followers who believe that their pastors can do them no wrong, so they defend the lavish lifestyles of their pastors while they struggle to eat 3 times a day.

But this is not why I am here, I am here for those who believe they control their fate, their future, that the future favours the bold, the scientific, the pragmatic, the technocratic , the optimist who puts mentality to action without a single regard for what the religious might say. I SALUTE YOU!!

Nigeria today is blessed with rubbish idiots who think unless their pastors tell them, unless they see a sign from God, that they will make it, they think the reason their Business has failed is because of some attack in the village, but do they look inwards? Do they give proper investigations into their Business failures? Do they use proper Business softwares to see where they are lacking and how they can make it better? Do they read business books like "The Lean Startup" or "the richest man in Babylon".. The answer is NO… they are backward because they don't read, they are backward because they believe they have zero control of their lives, they live their lives in the hands of a " greater being" yet forget that their Brain has the power of a super computer, to gain information and translate it into various ways even an information Bot written in Python or Java would be jealous about.
My brothers, the future is in our hands, 48 laws of Power: "Think as you like but behave like others", lets fall into their fallacies, lets act like them but inwardly we thin k like proper men in control of our lives, we use their moronic ways to our advantage, give them what they need by using the resources of what they don't have, and you would be successful.

More to come

It is not supposed to be about following pastors but rather following Jesus. People of this days have lost it by following pastors words. If you look at men they would let you down and hide the truth from you. Brother don't let them confuse and deny you the opportunity of knowing christ, find out about him yourself. Let me tell you a little bit about Christ.

He was the son of an ordinary carpenter, he didn't own a thing till he died, loved the poor, the sick and fought against the injustice during his time. Try to get a bible and read about him or you could DM me so we could have constructive arguments about religion.

Any genuine and dedicated satanist in dis thread?

Here's the new praise medley by kckingz that is crowning churches now, download and enjoy, share with friends/family
www.gospelph.com/download/?song=949
www.gospelph.com/page/?song=949
www.gospelph.com/play/?song=949

Here's the new praise medley by kckingz that is crowning churches now, download and enjoy, share with friends/family
www.gospelph.com/download/?song=949
www.gospelph.com/page/?song=949
www.gospelph.com/play/?song=949

Here's the new praise medley by kckingz that is crowning churches now, download and enjoy, share with friends/family
www.gospelph.com/download/?song=949
www.gospelph.com/page/?song=949
www.gospelph.com/play/?song=949

Guys, anyone interested in doing something this Christmas? Charity ish...

allNaijablogger, johnnydon22, plaetton ebukasblog

musKeeto:
Guys, anyone interested in doing something this Christmas? Charity ish...

allNaijablogger, johnnydon22, plaetton ebukasblog

Absolutely yes.

musKeeto:
Guys, anyone interested in doing something this Christmas? Charity ish...

allNaijablogger, johnnydon22, plaetton ebukasblog

lol ... its kingebukasblog , not ebukasblog or kingebuka or kingebukablog ( Ive missed really good mentions because of this )

I'm interested... how does it work ?

CHRISTIANITY IS A WAY OF LIFE NOT RELIGION AS THE WORLD TERMED IT.SALVATION OF SOUL IS ALSO NOT RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES BUT WAY OF LIFE.GIVE YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST TODAY AND BE FREE FROM ENEMIES' DECEITS

She certainly does.

Are we allowed to discuss politics on this thread? i'd love us to have a discussion on IPOB with fellow Igbos and anyone else who might be interested.

sonOfLucifer:
Are we allowed to discuss politics on this thread? i'd love us to have a discussion on IPOB with fellow Igbos and anyone else who might be interested.

I like to think that this statement "a fool at 40 is a fool forever" was inspired by religious fanatics.

I was at mile 1 when some dumb ipob boys started scattering everywhere that chukwu Obiama has remembered them. that chukwu Obiama must destroy Nigeria.. then I shook my head in despair, because I can clearly see that these people are being dragged into another mediocre bs.

instead of the eastern journalist and lazy leaders to lead to the protest, they brainwashed jobless and frustrated youths to do their dirty jobs for them all in the name of chukwu Obiama. what a pity....

sonOfLucifer:
Are we allowed to discuss politics on this thread? i'd love us to have a discussion on IPOB with fellow Igbos and anyone else who might be interested.

If it's tangential related to the purpose of the thread, then I dont see why not. That is only if its generally related to religion

The dumbest story I have ever read is that of Noah's ark

onetrack:

You have to have faith, that's all that matters.

If I have faith in christianity I should also have faith that Peter Pan is real

We Can Save Atheism From the New Atheists Like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris

There must be another way for nonbelievers than to transform, as Dawkins and Harris have done, into toxic know-it-alls.

Why are the New Atheists such jerks? Case in point: Richard Dawkins’ continuing pursuit of Ahmed Mohamed, the Texas 14-year-old humiliated in school after authorities mistook his homemade clock for a bomb.

The other day, The God Delusion author called Ahmed a hoaxer and responded to suggestions “he was only a kid” by linking to a report about a juvenile Islamic State (Isis) fighter. “And how old is this ‘kid’?” Dawkins asked.
Dawkins has been after the teenager for some time . When the story of Ahmed’s arrest and interrogation in handcuffs first broke, Dawkins questioned the boy’s motives, before linking to a video suggesting Ahmed wasn’t quite the inventor as he claimed.

“Assembling clock from bought components is fine,” tweeted Dawkins to his 1.3m followers. “Taking clock out of its case to make it look as if he built it is not fine. Which is true?”

The intervention exemplified everything toxic about Dawkins’ online persona. It’s not just the unedifying spectacle of an internationally famous biologist seeking to discredit a teenager’s science project, like a 9/11 truther obsessing about jet fuel. It’s also Dawkins’ disgraceful juxtaposition between Ahmed and an Isis supporter in Syria.

“How COULD you think I was likening a hoaxer to a killer?” he later posted. “I just meant ‘Only a kid’ is not a knockdown defence. Remember poor James Bulger?”
Except, of course, Dawkins hadn’t compared Ahmed to Bulger, who was murdered in 1993 by two 10-year-old boys. He’d linked a youth falsely accused of terrorism on the basis of his religion to Isis, precisely the kind of smear that any FOX news demagogue might make.

Then there’s the author, philosopher, and neuroscientist Sam Harris – another New Atheist luminary.

A few days before Dawkins relaunched his investigation into clock-gate, Harris explained on a podcast that Republican hopeful Ben Carson understood the Middle East better than Noam Chomsky. The same Ben Carson who thinks there’s a scientific consensus that aliens built the pyramids (even though Carson knows they were actually built by God as a granary for the biblical Jacob).

Why does Harris prefer Carson’s know-nothing bluster on foreign policy to the opinions of Chomsky, one of the most influential scholars in the world? Because, you see, Carson “understands that jihadists are the enemy”. That’s also why Harris defends Ted Cruz’s proposal to screen Syrian immigrants according to their religious views, since “some percentage of Muslims will be jihadists inevitably”.

In 2011, the leftwing atheist writer PZ Myers took offence with an article I wrote calling out the anti-Muslim bigotry of the most prominent New Atheists. Back then, Myers denied that Harris was rightwing and complained:
Sparrow condemns us because we haven’t thrown Hitchens from our ranks, and that we’re supposed to “speak out against the Islamophobia that’s self-evidently rife in the atheist movement,” a perfectly lovely demand that is offensive in its assumptions; shall he also tell me that I must stop beating my wife? There is racist Islamophobia scattered about within the New Atheist movement ... But the outliers are not the movement.

These days, Myers (to his credit) devotes considerable time to denouncing Harris . My favourite of his recent interventions includes the line: “Sam Harris [is] full of paranoid, racist shit.”

But the question remains: how did we get here?
Dawkins and Harris are still, by far and away, the most recognisable frontmen for the New Atheist show. So how did a movement ostensibly full of progressives end up so identified with writers who sound less and less like incarnations of pure reason and more and more like your Islamophobic uncle after he chugs his sixth pint?

The novelty of New Atheism comes from its contrast with an older atheism, associated throughout the 19th and 20th centuries with the left in general and socialism in particular. That’s why, for a certain generation of right-wingers, the epithet “commie” invariably follows “godless”.

By the 2000s, the old left had disintegrated, both as a movement and a set of ideas, even as some of its doctrines became entirely mainstream. Secularism was one of them. In 1901, it took considerable courage to proclaim your atheism in an English-speaking country; a century later, non-belief had become (within the intelligentsia, at least) largely unexceptional.

That was part of what made the New Atheists new. An earlier generation of atheists were brash and offensive but their provocations were generally directed at a church that still possessed considerable institutional power. The New Atheists were, by contrast, insiders rather than outsiders, writing and speaking in societies where manifestations of fervent religiosity largely occurred on the cultural fringes rather than the intellectual centres.

(Even in America, something of an anomaly on these matters, religious presidential candidates direct their evangelical huckstering at Smallville, USA and not the sophisticates of the big cities).

As a philosophical tendency, the New Atheists were popularisers rather than innovators, using advances in biology and neuroscience to illustrate pretty well-worn arguments against religion. Indeed, in some crucial ways, they represent an intellectual step backward from a left that had recognised atheism as necessary but scarcely sufficient.

As early as 1842, Marx dismissed those who trumpeted their disbelief to children as “assuring everyone who is ready to listen to them that they are not afraid of the bogeyman”. For him, intellectual disproofs of God were trivial; what mattered was building a world that didn’t give rise to mystification of any kind.

That is, if you investigate the material basis of religious belief, you immediately confront a phenomenon that operates on many different levels. In particular circumstances and particular settings a faith may function as a guide to morality, or an aesthetic, or a social network, or a collection of cultural practices, or a political identity, or a historical tradition, or some combination of any or all of those things.

You don’t have to be a believer to see that religion genuinely offers something to its adherents (often when nothing else is available) and that what it provides is neither inconsequential nor silly.

By contrast, the New Atheists engage with religion purely as a set of ideas, a kind of cosmic rulebook for believers. On that basis, it’s easy to point out inconsistencies or contradictions in the various holy texts and mock the faithful for their gullibility.

But what happens then? You’re left with no explanation for their devotion other than a susceptibility to fraud. To borrow Dawkins’ title, if God is nothing but an intellectual delusion then the billions of believers are, well, deluded; a collection of feeble saps in need of enlightenment from their intellectual superiors.

That’s the basis for the dickishness that so many people now associate from the New Atheism , a movement too often exemplified by privileged know-it-alls telling the poor that they’re idiots. But that’s only part of it. For, of course, the privileged know-it-alls are usually white and those they lampoon the most are invariably Muslim.

For the extraordinary contemporary popularity of the New Atheism also relates to something else that happened at the dawn of the new century – namely, the terrorist attacks on 2001. It’s 9/11, more than anything else, that divides the old atheism from the new.

The best illustration is Christopher Hitchens, a writer who built his stratospheric literary career by transitioning between the two atheist traditions. As a young man, Hitchens was a Trotskyist and for many years he remained a leftwing polemicist. During that time, his atheism attracted no particular attention: it went almost without saying that a prominent representative of the British left didn’t believe in God.

By 2001, Hitchens was already beginning his shift to the right. 9/11 provided the catalyst for a complete break. He signaled the shift with an extended polemic against – you guessed it! – Noam Chomsky, the man Sam Harris distrusts so much.

Chomsky insisted (then as now) that bin Laden arose from a particular context and history, that al Qaeda wasn’t merely the result of inexplicable Muslim rage. Hitchens, like Harris, would have none of it. It was actually Chomsky who had “lost or is losing the qualities that made him a great moral and political tutor”.

Hitchens, for his part, wrote “that the forces represented by Al Qaeda and the Taliban are fairly easy to comprehend, but not very easy to coexist with”. He deployed a vulgar critique of religion, along lines that are now so drearily familiar.

The problems in the Middle East stemmed, not from imperial meddling in an oil-rich region but from Islam itself, a faith that resulted from (and then fostered) delusional thinking. On that basis, Hitchens was increasingly able to ally himself with the worst elements of the American right while insisting he remained a progressive.

You can see how the argument works. If belief in God stems from intellectual inadequacy, then all believers are feebleminded – and the most devout are the most feebleminded of all. All religions are bad but some religions – especially those in the Middle East, by sheer coincidence! – are worse than others.

In the name of enlightened atheism, you thus arrive at an old-fashioned imperialism: the people we just happen to be bombing are simple-minded savages, impervious to reason and civilisation. That was the secret of Hitchens’ success: he provided a liberal rationale for the “war on terror”.

You can proclaim you’re an atheist, a freethinker, a devotee of the enlightenment – and yet somehow still end up backing rightwing Christians like George W Bush and Ben Carson in their campaigns against the Muslim hordes.

Which is why it’s not enough to denounce Dawkins and Harris. If we’re to save the good name of atheism, we need to popularise a fundamentally different approach, one that seeks to understand religion rather than simply sneering at it.

As my colleague Jason Wilson argues , denunciations of other people’s “stupidity” are a particular temptation of our age. By way of contrast, he puts the case for solidarity, writing that:
Solidarity requires listening: to stories of the structural deformation of individual lives; to the ways that popular culture makes people feel like they are living against the grain; to analyses that have not yet and may never become wholly coherent, or even depart from common sense.

That doesn’t entail abandoning a critique of religion. But it does mean adopting a certain humility when coming to terms with why ordinary people believe the things they do.

In a different world, religion might not be necessary. But we’re not in that world yet. In the struggle for social change, the religious will play just as important role as anyone else. If you don’t believe in God, that’s great. But you’re not helping by being a jerk about it.

Jeff Sparrow is a writer, editor and broadcaster, and an Honorary Fellow at Victoria University.

www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/we-can-save-atheism-new-atheists-richard-dawkins-and-sam-harris

Is it me or is this place substantially dumber than it used to be

And it was pretty bad before.....

this may be a good thing though. the nightmare inducing stoopidity seems to be turning quite a lot of people into humanists...