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Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by dallyemmy: 5:53pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
One of his disciples did not believe that Jesus rose from the dead. He wanted to see where he was nailed to the cross. If it is because you want to remain unholy that was why you wrote this; remember without holiness no one shall see Him (Hebrew 12:14) |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by zadokthept(m): 6:40pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
luluosas:What the title of the POST is, is not the issue if you have read it to the end! The OP said ".....Stories And Testimonies. -- Join this with the title of this write up. I got you..." Obviously, if you have read without a coloured "google" you would have seen that. The writer never said he didn't believe in Heaven and Hell. He said he didn't need a man's testimonies to believe what God's word teaches clearly. Moreover, the scripture ask you to test every spirit to known which is of God! Not to just TEST! Am sure, like Peter whose religious mind would not allow to see what God was doing, when he knew it was the Lord asking him to raise, kill and eat. That is what you have just demonstrated here. The topic or title was not mis-leading in anyway if you have humbly read with an open mind first.
How is that? Please, check my response to [juiceysly] which goes thus: lol... Yes, Lazarus, the widow's son from Nain - Luke 7:11-17, Daughter of Jairus - Mark 5:21–43, Matthew 9:18–26, Luke 8:40–56, Dorcas - Acts 9:36-42, Paul - Acts 14:19. 1. All of these mentioned in scriptures were RAISED back to life. They didn't come back by themselves. Some-people or someone raised them back ( of course by the power of God ). Nobody prayed Jesus back. 2. All of these still died afterwards. Only Jesus came back and is still alive forever more. 3. All of these people mentioned in scripture had no glorified bodies when they came back. Only Jesus did. 4. None of them brought back a message from God ... There is no need for IT! God's word is enough! The resurrection of the dead hasn't happened! And God is not selective about it! The Dead in Christ will raise again but not on individual bases. Though in relation with the death of Christ the scripture stated it so clearly that "IT IS APPOINTED for man to die ONCE.." Heb. 9:27. Not twice or three times.. So, in that light, I think the "revised 9ja version" of the OP is a lot better than those ones you carry about but you will not read! To add to that Ezekiel 37:1-10 is not a real event, it was a VISION!!! Please go read it again. Verses 1 and 11 made it so clear... that is the mistake of the Proud, they don't read well ... labeling others as speaking ERROR! Please, can you show me in scriptures where anyone who rose from the dead brought "messages" for others from GOD?! I don't think the (Timothy Adigun) believes their testimonies at all. And I agree with him, because If the word of God is NOT enough, then NO MAN's word would be enough!!! Please, let me mock your believe of message from the DEAD! Did you read about SAUL and the consultation of the witch of Endor in I Samuel 28:3–25? Who did the witch saw? If you say Samuel, then I know you don't read your bible at all! Am waiting for your answer please! Let me ask you again, what other revelation is greater than that of God's word? Your dreams and revelations?! I see... Christian pele ooo! Who called you Christian? Is that the name you are called by the one who redeemed you? Will you rather answer the name given to you by your antagonist or the one given by your parents? Christian was a nickname first given to the believers in Antioch and it was mentioned about 4 times in scriptures when persecution is in context, go back and read it. So, (Timothy Adigun) doesn't need to be a christian. But if he knows the Lord, he might chose to go by any "name"! The OP never said he doesn't believe in Heaven and Hell, stop reading your religious mind into what was not said, he said he would believe God's word than men's word. So, that is his crime now?! Shea? to believe God's word above men's word. I see.... Believe what you want lobatan!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Nobody: 6:56pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
otijah: My God, am scared!!!!ar u one of d cowards? |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Nobody: 7:11pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
@Op this was the line that struck me most, that i have to agree with you. 2. What else can someone's testimonies or experience tell that can be more accurate than the word of God? Read the very words from the very lips of Jesus himself on the account of life after death [..The Rich Man and Lazarus..] in Luke 16:19-31 -- ...He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 'No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' Verses 27- 31 is the conversation between the Rich man and father Abraham. It is very clear that if we don't believe God's word now and here even if someone rises from the dead, we would NOT believe or be convinced. I had always wondered why God has to send people back to warn us when the bible is there for us to read. The book of revelation is detailed enough. The power of darkness uses this ploy to cause confusion, disparity, dis-integration among men. When Jesus raised Lazarus from the death, i was thinking and expecting he would talk of what he saw but I remember king Saul consulting a medium to ask Prophet Samuel's Spirit if he would win the war when God turned His back against him. Samuel asked, Who has woken me from my slumber?. This made me realize the dead remains dead until the day the trumpet is blown and judgement would commence. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by infonubia(m): 7:32pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
Ayatullah:Come of it man! Did u read the post all? I get angry when people say "if u want to hide anything from a black man, put it inside a book" because I know a lot of intelligent black people who take time to read. Unfortunately comments such as this makes me wonder if whoever came up with that quote was right after all. You just saw the title and you ran with it. SMH 1 Like |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by lastmessenger: 7:51pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
free2ryhme: heaven and hell is real ...my God am not sure read the guys point before commenting.he only put the topic to attract u to read |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Nobody: 8:06pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
i dnt commnt on naira land b i found dis post 2 be intelligent.kindly add John Dammy III on facebouk |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Nobody: 8:12pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
most christians present the God they serve as competing God (fighting for power). no stupid creator of heaven and earth would creat something dat pleases him nd @ d end of d day decides to throw it in fire. its not reasonable 1 Like |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by iyimide(m): 8:25pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
luluosas: @Timothy Adigun, unfortunately the story of heaven and hell according to the bible and these revelations you are trying to discredit are TRUE. Mr man, do you understand English at all? Did he say heaven or earth is not real? He only says these testimonies from mere men which do not conform with the bible can not be anchored upon! Open ya eyes! |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Tbosch(m): 8:28pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
@op,luke 1:17,tins that wil cause people to sin wil not but come,woe to him by which they come,it wil be a disaster if u cause people to err by ur wrong interpretatn of d scripture.TAKE HEED |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by udumosam23(m): 9:23pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
do not judge the writter by his topic, go through the content caefully, he is saying you don't need the testimonies of men to believe in heaven or hell, the word of God is enough, the lies of men distort the truth contianed in the word of God. heaven and hell is real. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Ayatullah(m): 9:28pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
infonubia: Then why are you fooling yourself? Were you drunk when you choosed the Topic?..........I have said it earlier and I am repeating it that you are a CONFUSED SOUL. A sensible person pick up his pen to write what is meaningful and sensible for others to discern, reactions to your post should let you know you are not making sense. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Ayatullah(m): 9:53pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
Kslib: See them as usual! There is nothing to sit down and start analysing and thinking about in the 'mumbo-jumbo' of a write-up you are praising. This is the way of those who want to misinform and misguide people, they write in arrogance this is why a lot of Pastors have turned the Bible upside down with different interpretations, hence qualified to be called Lawyers and not Pastors. So you are the one that is deluded and is flowing with a confused soul. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by success4(m): 10:45pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
[size=18pt]YOUR UNBELIEF DOES NOT CHANGE REALITY OF BOTH HEAVEN AND HELL[/size] |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Kslib(m): 11:27pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
Ayatullah:See this one!! Anyway,i don blame you cos i was quite expecting to get this kind of reply from 'the association of deluded religious drunk lost souls who are mentally lazy to reason and look for cheap lame excuses to justify their old beliefs cos they are scared of knowing the truth, hence,gulp down any grabage thrown at them with a religious label cos it re-affirms their already old beliefs and gives solace that they're on the right track'.. .. Did you even read the op's article atall? Maybe you just read the 'title' of the thread and jumped into conclusion just like most of your fellow gang members have done so far... The title of the thread needs to be modified BUT i urge you to read and know what the op was talking about before spewing the garbage your kind have been known for since 1960... .. All izz well! |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by DermalCarotene(f): 11:56pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
it's all in the Bible, bro. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by tushbobo(m): 12:24am On Sep 02, 2013 |
Your report actually supports the existence of hell.Whether humans transit to hades before going to hell is immaterial.Reason: The dead are unconscious and are without time(it wouldn't look much longer to a man who died a thousand years ago to the judgement day compared to a man who died last year).Even if hell would be non-existent until after judgement as suggested by you,the fact is hell exists.The spirit world is much more different brother. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Ayatullah(m): 1:17am On Sep 02, 2013 |
Kslib: If you believe the title needed modification, then that shows 'All is not well' with you and your beloved OP...........When you cannot give proper title to your write-up, then you have failed right from the beginning...........you do not lure people to read your meaningless write-up, with a FALSE title, It only shows you are mentally lazy, it could have even been worth it if the writing is meaningful. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by AUSVINS(m): 3:40am On Sep 02, 2013 |
infonubia: [ It's a long read.. Please, I promise it wouldn't take more than 10 minutes ] |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by luluosas(m): 4:39am On Sep 02, 2013 |
zadok_the_pt:Mr. Whether you believe in these testimonies or not doesn't change anything about the reality of heaven and hell. So, keep it to yourself and never you stop whoever does not share your opinion okay. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by luluosas(m): 4:48am On Sep 02, 2013 |
iyimide:No, I only understand eglis. What you quoted me was direct response to Timothy Adigun's double standard. Now for you English master, what does the subject of this topic implied? |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by blessed4ever: 5:41am On Sep 02, 2013 |
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Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by akbtunes: 8:05am On Sep 02, 2013 |
I didnt bother to read this balderdash.. Good-luck to you |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Kslib(m): 8:18am On Sep 02, 2013 |
Ayatullah:Stop twisting the whole thing! Its the content we're dealing with here. I marvel at how you comfortably called someone who could write that long "lazy", and at thesame time, spare those who couldnt read, but drew conclusion from the title. Who is mantally lazy btw the two? The writer,or the reader/s who couldnt read but jumped into conclusion? .. The title needs to be modified cos its so glaring that what most peeps were doing was just to draw conclusion from the title without reading the content,or reading,and then attacking based on title cos thats the only ish they got and the only loop-hole they can use since they got none from the write-up.. Well,it too late cos the thread has already stretched her limbs to its elastic limit,and as usual,the damage has already been done.. We are on the 5th page and i doubt if the thread can stretch past this page.. .. Lastly,from your reply,its safe to say 'you agreed with the write-up, be it consciously or subconsciously but found the title a little-bit uncomfortable'.. .. All izz well! |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Emy2gbasky(m): 8:38am On Sep 02, 2013 |
[color=#990000][/color] This is about the claim that "IF YOU LIVE A GOOD LIFE, YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN". IS THAT TRUE? 1) When Adam and Eve were created, where were they living? 2) At where was the place located, "HEAVEN OR EARTH"? NOW CONSIDER THIS ILLUSTRATION: A man in his own house, have a houseboy who lives in the boys quaters in the house with him. It happened oneday, that the houseboy broke the only offensive rule given to him by his master, which has the result of lossing his job on the day that rule is broken. The master then descided to sack him. But, one thing is that, the boy has nowhere to go except his master's house. This boy then brought someone whom he knows that his master loves and respects so much, so as to help him beg his master. The master then took a breath and said to him "I HAVE DESCIDED NEVER TO ACCEPT YOU BACK TO THIS HOUSE AGAIN, 'BUT' BECAUSE OF THE PERSON YOU CAME WITH, I WILL TAKE YOU BACK". Now my questions are like this: 1)Willl the house boy, because he came back to beg him, now live with his master in his master's bedroom? 2) Why will you go to HEAVEN when you die after living a good life on earth? 3) Now, if you go to Heaven because you lived a good life on Earth, WHO WILL MAKE USE OF THE, EARTH SINCE THE WICKED WILL BE DESTROYED? 4) If you go to Heaven after death, WHY JUDGEMENT or RESURECTION again? DON'T ALOW YOURSELF TO BE DICIEVED BY ANY BODY. MAY THE GOOD GOD JEHOVAH SHOW YOU THE RIGHT WAY. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by fortunejum: 8:47am On Sep 02, 2013 |
What shall i do to inherit eternal life? If you can answer the question, then you have gotten it. That is the most important thing for us to do, but not looking at heaven or hell. it is your action towards this that will determined your placement in(heaven or hell)So therefore, I believe that heaven and hell is real. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Emy2gbasky(m): 8:52am On Sep 02, 2013 |
. This is about the claim that "IF YOU LIVE A GOOD LIFE, YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN". IS THAT TRUE? 1) When Adam and Eve were created, where were they living? 2) At where was the place located, "HEAVEN OR EARTH"? NOW CONSIDER THIS ILLUSTRATION: A man in his own house, have a houseboy who lives in the boys quaters in the house with him. It happened oneday, that the houseboy broke the only offensive rule given to him by his master, which has the result of lossing his job on the day that rule is broken. The master then descided to sack him. But, one thing is that, the boy has nowhere to go except his master's house. This boy then brought someone whom he knows that his master loves and respects so much, so as to help him beg his master. The master then took a breath and said to him "I HAVE DESCIDED NEVER TO ACCEPT YOU BACK TO THIS HOUSE AGAIN, 'BUT' BECAUSE OF THE PERSON YOU CAME WITH, I WILL TAKE YOU BACK". Now my questions are like this: 1)Willl the house boy, because he came back to beg him, now live with his master in his master's bedroom? 2) Why will you go to HEAVEN when you die after living a good life on earth? 3) Now, if you go to Heaven because you lived a good life on Earth, WHO WILL MAKE USE OF THE, EARTH SINCE THE WICKED WILL BE DESTROYED? 4) If you go to Heaven after death, WHY JUDGEMENT or RESURECTION again? DON'T ALOW YOURSELF TO BE DICIEVED BY ANY BODY. MAY THE GOOD GOD JEHOVAH SHOW YOU THE RIGHT WAY. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by tete7000(m): 9:59am On Sep 02, 2013 |
My church says: we talk about people going to heaven based on testimonies of lives well lived; for scripture says from mouth of two or three the truth is confirmed. About the hell, we can't say because even on the verge of death a man can renounce his sin and gain heaven; the thief on the right hand of Christ typifies this kind of scenario. By the way, I am a catholic and I maintain what one believes about heaven and hell changes nothing about the fact that they exist. Finally God is meant to be loved for its benefit rather than out of fear of hell. Loving God is sweet even when we are still here on earth. He offers peace and living without Him is chaotic. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by adeabi: 10:41am On Sep 02, 2013 |
@op.please read all the chapters of Revelation.so you can understand better.May God give you divine understanding to comprehend.(Amen) |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by dwonder(m): 12:33pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
THE CONCLUSION OF THE MATTER AFTER ALL HAS BEEN READ IS 'TOO MANY PEOPLE CANT COMPREHEND A SIMPLE WRITE-UP'. READ, THINK, AGREE/DISAGREE. BUT FIRST READ |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Ayatullah(m): 12:47pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
Kslib: You are partially correct to say I found the title a little bit uncomfortable. The truth is that I found it totally uncomfortable. I did take my time to read through, so I am not just commenting based on the title, and I believe a good number of people must have seen the title and decided not to waste their time reading it because they must have concluded that it is coming from an Atheist, and indeed does an atheist deserve an attention? Not at all. Definitely, a title could be chosen to attract attention, but it could also fall flat just as this one has done, because majority of Nairalanders love the Almighty God and believe in His JUST institution of Heaven and Hell. At the end the OP may say the content of his write-up does not mean what the title intends, then I ask him, what have you achieved? Why have you chosen a literary style that destroy the aim of your writing? |
Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by flymeup: 1:07pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
Please, heaven and hell is real. |
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